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I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« on: January 24, 2012, 03:18:04 AM »
I'm recovering from a spill on the ice and while staring at the four walls of this room I decided to clean out my message boxes.  I noticed a recent string from a coach we all. know.  I put them on a timeline and it was kind of interesting and thought I'd share.

Coach Big B of the Redzone Show has been trying to get a copy of the Killer Bee from me for quite awhile and so after I finished it for 2012 on Friday, January 21, I sent him a copy.  He evidently started reading it right then because I got this message from him that night:

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So far it's a system I see myself running pending on if it's workable against unlimited teams. The main reason is the reads. They can't pull or anything in this system. I think once I get the DB reads down I will be fine. This is also a system that I know no one in my league will be able to adjust to. If you look at film it's very hard to get the keys. So far so good tho coach. I see why Mahonz made a big deal about your system.


Coach Big B is moving to Unlimited's next year and so, while reading it, evidently started comparing it to the situation he was in.  If so, he didn't have to read very far.  In less than hour, he sent a second message:

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Coach Wilkins you're one hell of a man. I'm reading your guide and up to the DE and OLB play. You're sick you know that!!!! lol This scheme is a pain in the ass for any team. I see how a dum team would cause problems for this scheme. (meaning if you're playing a team and the kids don't block but sit there it could throw off your read to the players. (you know what I mean more or less)..) This is a very damn good playbook. What I really like so far is the line reads. Then the placement of players. I see how you keep the Mike clean and that's tight. I looked at a few plays and every play I could think of if the player make his reads it a rap. Now the thing I love about it so far is that practice would be very fun. You can run drills to work on defensive stiulus of the players reads. These heavy reps with a basic system leaves a team in great shape. I also see how this could be used at an unlimited level. The key is making sure you have size in certain areas. This is something me and you could talk about in more detail when you have time. This would be huge for me because our league went unlimited. One more thing is the fact you can rotate that DT. This will make a lot of parents happy and you won't get hot if they missed a tackle. Now if you have a hell of a team and can get studs there oh my God it could be nice. My Wife just went upstairs so I will get back on the book. So far you're sick coach...a Mad Man indeed. 


The next morning, he's calling me at my home.  He hasn't had this defense for 24 hours yet but he is PUMPED.  While we're talking about it, I'm still in bed!   :D Later that day, he posted this:

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From what I seen the Killer Bee is sick!!! Coach Wilkins put his foot in this one coaches no question. I wonder how long it took for him to create this system for youth coaches. Good work as always caoch.


24 hours later, this was up:

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I was very impressed with it. I'm still looking over the secondary section to get that down. The schem is sound and I see why so many coaches had positive results with it. It is nice to use rules from other systems to enhance another one.


He pretty much did this in a weekend.  But I must admit I was flatttered that someone who sees so many systems as he does would be so impressed with mine so fast and even consider running it for himself.  I hope the defense does work.  We only get to make so many contributions to the game before it passes us by. 

But I want to add that I wouldn't have thought of this defense at all if it weren't for Jack Gregory.  Jack was one of the first converts to my DC46 back when I was posting on Al's Info Sports.  I didn't talk too much about my "D" as it was all I had to take on my league's "Company" team who simply put the rest of us on their schedules to have someone to beat.   Yet one coach on Al's who had lost all his games and only had one left against his league's undefeated champions, asked me for my DC46 and I sent it to him.  He posted his victory (He turned the other team over five times) on Al's.  I don't think a week went by before Jack asked for it (Steve Calande did too.).  And a year later Jack later was winning with it in a tournament in Las Vegas.

Jack has this ability to spot the unknown.  I think Coach Murphy was discovered by Jack.  When the big names of Double Wing were first raised they were Wyatt and Valloton (Jack got me my first Wyatt tape back in the days of VHS and $ 300 a copy).  No one knew Murphy.  Murphy who?  I'd never heard of him and when I did meet him, I noticed his wife before I noticed him.  But Jack had lined him up as DW speaker.  It was probably the first speaking job he ever got.  But he was GOOD!  I now have two Murphy DVD's.

After awhile I noticed two things.  First, Jack spent a LOT of time figuring out how to beat the DC46 and, second, he wasn't running it anymore.  When I asked him why, he replied, "I would but I don't have the talent for it anymore."

Now this rang odd to me because Jack knew all about Speed Training and Dynamic Warmups, the very things I was using to be able to continue running DC46 even with subpar talent.  And he couldn't?  That didn't make sense. 

But then Jack mailed me a free copy of his "6-3" defense and there I am listed alongside J.J. Lawsen as a contributter.  Jack had combined my DC46 with Lawsen's 3-3 Stack.  Later, Mike Mahonz on this site would figure out the same thing and it appears (I'm just guessing here) that Calande is doing the same thing now.  But nobody called Jack and told him how to do it.  He just did it. 

And then, once I got his book, I was so busy trying to beat it that I wasn't sure I ever got around to endorsing his book  (Sorry, Jack.  It was your own fault.  Your book was too good.).  He had me obsessed with how to take advantage of those two MPP's plugging "A" and run a play RIGHT BY THEM.  It was shades of the GAM!  I consulted the best youth football minds of America to beat those two DT's.  I got ONE play.  Would it work?  Maybe.  Maybe not. 

While I knew those DT players were MPP's, it hadn't actually occured to me yet that Jack actually was coaching MPP's as he had told me he was. 

I made that connection about a year ago.  I decided it was time to make sure my DCWT offense could beat Dave Cisar's WT6 and Jack had posted the bold statement that a WT6 could not beat the DW (to Cisar, no less.).  Boom!  Challenge time!  I was going to take Cisar's WT6 and beat Jack's DW.  You can't do that without going to Jack's site and downloading TKO blocking.  So I did.

It didn't take me very long to realize why Jack had first abandoned GOD (Easy to beat) for SAB and then TKO blocking.  He didn't just have two MPP's on defense, he had them all over the place on offense.   Jack was indeed, coaching inferior players.

And he was WINNING!

This is no minor accomplishment.  For most of us to see a BAD team beat a good team and, more importantly, win the championship usually only happens in fictitious Hollywood movies (The Little Giants).  The number of real coaches who can do this number exactly two, and Jack is one of them (And I'm not the other one.). 

Watching Jack do this, I realized he was doing something successfully that I had never tried - Beat better with worse.

Oh!  I had my tricks to beat better with worse - Like when I would draft a clumsy three legged elephant with a GOOD run time, teach him how to run, and get a GREAT run time.  Or when I taught my QB's to throw to area or my FB's how to gain 5 yards.  I created talent out of nothing.  But Jack created physics out of nothing.  And it was working. 

So Jack had something successfully I hadn't.  He had beat his "Company" team.  I gave my "Company" team (Run by the 19th largest corporation in my state) their best games on their way to their inevitable trophy but "David" was hardly routinely beating Goliath.  I won some but not all. 

So to see Jack winning with MPP's on both sides of the ball was an eye opener.  My MPP defense was my DC Pro 4-3.  And MPP defenses are no easy task.  They can be counted on one hand:

1) Cisar's WT6
2) Reed's GAM
3) Jack's 6-3
4) My DC Pro 4-3
5) The 7-1 Diamond

I'm not listing them in order of priority/success.  That's a matter of personal judgement.  Of the above, I've only played two, losing to one of them once. 

But looking at Jack's accomplishments I was inspired to do the same thing, let David kill Goliath.  Only I changed the rules of how MPP's win.  I put "David" on steroids.  I made every player a severe problem for the offense and not just two. 

Who knows?  Maybe Jack will be running Killer Bee someday but, if he does, he doesn't have to worry about being accused of copying me because I copied him.  The two defenses don't come out the same but I got the idea from Jack as much as he got his "6-3" idea from me.  I just substituted Tom Landry for J.J. Lawsen.

And it was fun to create.

My knee is not hurting so much now.  Maybe I can ease it into bed.  Once the pain pills wear off, I'll forget I even posted this.  Good luck to all next year no matter what you run.   :)   

 

 
 




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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 08:51:14 AM »
Great read
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 08:56:04 AM »
Add me as enthusiastic supporter number 2!  I have had it for less than a week and I am also very impressed.  I shared some stuff with my AC that has coached at the HS level and he couldn't believe it either.  We are pumped and I'm slowly getting through the manual.  DC you are cerainly on point with this!!!

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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 09:02:02 AM »
I guess if I am going to be replaced by someone ... Tom Landry is a pretty good replacement ... LOL

Now I gotta go collect all that money from Vegas ... the odds were 1 million to 1 against that my name and Tom Landry would ever be used in the same sentence ... LOL
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 09:03:19 AM »
I didnt get a copy ... 8-(
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 11:14:07 AM »
You know, I am getting sucked in by the hype, and would love to eye-ball this defense.

But I play dumb offenses.  I don't know that a single O I play has anything more than a "block the guy in front of you" scheme.  I think I'm going to spend some time with video to see if any of my opponents the last 2-3 years have anything but a man on scheme.

I've probably seen a dozen Pop Warner playoff teams in my age group in Eastern MA over the past few years, and ONE of them runs an actual system, and that's the DW.  In fact, add to that the playoff teams I've seen in other age groups too.  One program in our area runs the DW, and is a perennially strong program.  I don't know that anyone else that consistently makes the playoffs runs anything more than grab bag.

In other words, not sure that this D would be of much use to me, but man, am I getting sucked in, LOL.  One of these days, I'll cough up the $ for it...

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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 11:39:28 AM »
Clark

You should post more while on painkillers. I always enjoy it when you get sentimental.  :)

Thanks for posting up some history. Always fun to read.

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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 11:47:05 AM »
"block the guy in front of you"


That's the first rule of zone. :)
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 12:51:16 PM »
Great read.  Nice to read the history that some of us "newer" guys don't know.  To follow up on Jkoester's point, we play a lot of dumb offenses with majority of the top teams in our 45 team league either running a DW or SW system.  The rest of the teams are XBOX and Monday night football offenses.  With that being said, should we run the killer bee or something simpler (less reads, etc.)?  Any thoughts are appreciated.

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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 01:31:50 PM »
Like Clark has said
"Run the 46 to beat the team."
"Run the KBD to beat the Coach."


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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 01:32:18 PM »
That's the first rule of zone. :)


Zinger!!! Lol i love your humor Michael
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 05:42:59 PM »
I've been wanting to get my hands on the KB since it was released, but I just haven't had the funds. Hopefully I'm able to put together the money soon as all of Clark's work is top notch. I have been running his DC46 for the past two years and in those two years we have been able to go 24-2 and win a Super Bowl.
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 07:38:57 PM »
I'm recovering from a spill on the ice

What a cruel world we live in where when water freezes it becomes both slipperier and harder.  Feel better soon.

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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 11:54:06 PM »
I purchased the KB mid-season last year to start expanding my knowledge. It was my 2nd year coaching and my first year as a head coach. I really wanted to learn, even if it wasn't something we would/could implement. (FWIW were were running WT6-2).

The think I love most about Clarks books is that he teaches with a very analytical approach. Something I very much appreciate since I love to understand why something works, not just that it does.

Of all the books I've read, Clark explains very well the science/approach on why something works. If you would like examples, apply for free access to his UBSW. The documentation there is very thorough and outlines his style very well. I love his explanation of blocking angles, force and physics as well as his explanations and examples of why you have calls to the 3 and 7 hole, but not 5 hole. I had never understood the importance of the play-flow. It was truly an awakening for me on understanding offensive principles.

His Killer Bee is no different, and his 2012 version is very much improved over last years version in terms of organization, formatting, and explanations. He does a wonderful job outlining each position, their responsibilities, reads, and and appropriate ways to rep/practice those positions. It is valuable material to give to a position coach and will clearly outline what they are doing and why. It will greatly reduce the tendency to change something because it "feels better" to the coach. There is a rhyme to the reason.

I will be using this for my defense this year instead of the WT6-2 because, to me, it feels like a faster-flowing, more aggressive defense than the WT6-2. It fits my personality better. 

Most coaches here have more knowledge than I do and will have their opinions centered around their experience. However, right now my feeling is that the defense can definitely be implemented in "simple-mode" but has a tremendous amount of room to grow. This will let us develop each player with as much as they are capable of learning, but won't disrupt the flow when you have mixed-talent across the defense.

Anyway, just my $.02.
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Re: I have an enthusiastic supporter...
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 08:21:14 AM »
That's the first rule of zone. :)


And I'm sure a few of the coaches I'm talking about think they're running zone.  So to speak.  But my guess is that there probably needs to be a second rule... :)