Any 50 gap defense info out there?

[Vince148]

Thought that  this might be a good fit with my 46 so that my NT doesn't always have to be a two-gap player. What are the pros and cons of it?

[ZACH]

If you ask Dick Lebeau nothing lol hes a single gap oddfront guy

Ive learned thats theres gap integrity and man integrity... Both have strengths n weaknesses...

[durfee4]

Coach alot of 50 gap info and downloads here.http://community.coachingstaff.com/files/category/28-5-man-fronts-drawer-football/

[ZACH]

At the AC glazier Rick Pennypacker is presenting 50 shade defense, my high school is in his league and he killed our wing t every year and is consistently successfull and very willing to help. I know you said you are from Jersey so might be a nice excuse to go to AC

[ZACH]

I almost forgot mike lalor has a multiple 50 dvd for 8$ i think its awesome!

[jcarbon2]

Vince,

Its all about technique. So just having the Mike and NT use a gap exchange is just as effective if you use correct tech. The way I have seen some coaches do this is to use a smaller NT (wrestler type kid) and have him shade away from strength or to the centers snap arm. The idea is to use the centers body to clog one A gap while the filling the other with the NT.  The Mike still has the same reads as if NT was heads up but can play cheated to the other side (strong A gap).

John

[ZACH]

Its funny more odd fron stuff i read or listen to the more even fron concepts are applied and vice. versa haha

[CoachShad]

Its funny more odd fron stuff i read or listen to the more even fron concepts are applied and vice. versa haha

The fact is that Gap Control is Gap Control regardless of odd or even.  When you add in a player who can dominate an interior line position and draw double teams almost every time, it really frees up your defense and forces the offense to be more conservative.  Strong A , Weak A works for a 40 as it does for a 50.  In my opinion Gap Control makes more sense in the youth game.  More time to teach one thing and more time to get real good at it.  Of course as they gain experience you can broaden their scope.  The one thing I have found is that a good player will find a way to get to the ball regardless of technique, they do it instinctively without knowing how.  Its a real boon if you can find 3 or 4 "Bigs" with that kind of instinct.  Most of the time you find yourself with 1 and have to "mold" the others.  Teaching Gap Control just shortens your teching time and focuses on one thing. 

Ok this old fart is done.   

[Vince148]

The fact is that Gap Control is Gap Control regardless of odd or even.  When you add in a player who can dominate an interior line position and draw double teams almost every time, it really frees up your defense and forces the offense to be more conservative.  Strong A , Weak A works for a 40 as it does for a 50.  In my opinion Gap Control makes more sense in the youth game.  More time to teach one thing and more time to get real good at it.  Of course as they gain experience you can broaden their scope.  The one thing I have found is that a good player will find a way to get to the ball regardless of technique, they do it instinctively without knowing how.  Its a real boon if you can find 3 or 4 "Bigs" with that kind of instinct.  Most of the time you find yourself with 1 and have to "mold" the others.  Teaching Gap Control just shortens your teching time and focuses on one thing. 

Ok this old fart is done.   

That's why I'm looking at going more with the 10-1 scheme. The base 10-1 will cover every gap, but 10-1 special is a similar, but not same, 46 type defense with very different TNT tactics. I've seen a few 50 gap playbooks that "stem" strong and weak which could help a smaller NT unless I can find a big dominating kid that can handle two gap responsibility.

[CoachShad]

That's why I'm looking at going more with the 10-1 scheme. The base 10-1 will cover every gap, but 10-1 special is a similar, but not same, 46 type defense with very different TNT tactics. I've seen a few 50 gap playbooks that "stem" strong and weak which could help a smaller NT unless I can find a big dominating kid that can handle two gap responsibility.

I have no idea what the 10-1 is so I cannot comment on it.  Indeed, the 46 has very specific requirements for each position, however, so does any gap defense. I would argue that, in any defense, you will have to overcome a weak or weaker link.  To my mind that means putting a better LB over that position as a means to help.  This is especially true in youth ball.  Keep in mind that no matter what defense you have in mind or put on the field it is only as good as the players.  For me that means I have to put extra time in making sure that I hedge my bets by putting the right "mixture" on the field so they can all succeed. 

[ZACH]

I have no idea what the 10-1 is so I cannot comment on it.  Indeed, the 46 has very specific requirements for each position, however, so does any gap defense. I would argue that, in any defense, you will have to overcome a weak or weaker link.  To my mind that means putting a better LB over that position as a means to help.  This is especially true in youth ball.  Keep in mind that no matter what defense you have in mind or put on the field it is only as good as the players.  For me that means I have to put extra time in making sure that I hedge my bets by putting the right "mixture" on the field so they can all succeed. 

Shad

Think GAM = 10-1

[CoachShad]

Shad

Think GAM = 10-1

If thats the case I dont recommend that defense above 5th grade level.  In fact, I think it leaves you more vulnerable to a mistake turning into a huge play.  I have read Reed's material and found it somewhat useful but not necessarily his defense. 

Folks the thing you need to look at is long term not play to play or season to season.  I go back to the fact that if you're constantly changing things year after year, there is no foundation to improve upon, as such, each season becomes its own microcosm.  By contrast establishing a base you allow yourself the ability to expand exponentially year after year.  In other words "Don't throw the Baby out with the bathwater" fix it!! 

Just this old farts opinion.

[Vince148]

No, 10-1 is nothing like GAM. You need to check Celina HS in Tx, G.A. Moore and Butch Ford.

[CoachShad]

Just to add to my ramblings:

Adding things too quickly can also be detrimental.  Its no different than offense or cooking my friends you have to make sure the basics are done well before you add more ingredients to the mix.  LOL

[ZACH]

No, 10-1 is nothing like GAM. You need to check Celina HS in Tx, G.A. Moore and Butch Ford.

Where do you think reed got his idea??  How else would you have explained it? GAM is 10-1 buddy.

Ok so vince doesnt strangle me...

You have gapped players , dbs n lb in man, with adjustments

Haha better vince?
http://www.johntreed.com/myths.html whole lot of 10-1 referance

If you have ever talked to coach ford he uses the GAM alignment in  short yardage depending on game plan.