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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2012, 12:14:49 PM »
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I think the issue is you huddled at your sideline for the timeout then sent two players out then the rest just muddled around the sideline area even though they were creating a legal formation. Were you on the field still? If the ref blew the whistle and told everyone coaches off then I think you are good. If he didnt then it would probably be an illegal deception type play even if you were off the field. Question is...did the opponent fully realize the TO was over and your team was getting set .

Wrong ball is the O aligns and sets....Center calls out wrong ball and stands up while picking up the football and hands it to the QB and yells out wrong ball again....QB walks to the sideline holding the ball up never getting closer to LOS so it really a legal motion while the coach tells him to throw him the football and he will get the right one...or some shit like that......Center just stands there while the other 9 players stay set.....then QB takes off for an easy TD once he has cleared the defense. Have to coach up your kids for this. We fortunately did and then had a team try it on us cuz its a youtube thing now.  Not sure if its legal anymore.

BTW....that team that tried it on us...QB was injured on the play and didn't return. They almost got us too....took a few seconds to register. They could not hear me yelling WRONG BALL from the sidelines. What I really want is as soon as that Center lifts the football even if he stands up first and then hands it to the QB....he gets crushed right away along with anyone else on the LOS.

Anyway...Im sure you can find a few versions of it on youtube.


Wrong ball is stupid as described.  I wouldn't try that.  The play we did wasn't even my play, it was our HC's.  But I went along with it.  I wanted to do a center eligible pass. 

No coaches were on the field.  The 9 players even cleared the hash and came back and aligned near the sideline, as I think that may be the rule (but not positive). 

The only thing we did to deceive them was we didn't huddle like we had the whole game.  Wasn't real high level deception.  It was a long shot to work.  Still it would have worked had the ref not delayed it.  I don't blame the ref though, it was windy that day.

Once the ref blows the whistle that the ball is in play and backs away and then the center gets over the ball to snap it then anything that is legal goes.  The kids have to know that once the center picks up the ball the play has started.   It's no different than going on first sound or silent count or whatever to catch the defense off guard.

If we were in a situation where we said we were going to take a knee or something and then threw a bomb I would consider that highly unethical.   Our ref's would disallow the TD anyway and penalize us if we did that.



 

 
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2012, 02:08:26 PM »
"The rest of our kids jogged out past the numbers and they came back by the sideline and acted like they weren't ready to go back to the huddle yet. "

I probably came across as harsh.  The part I mainly have a hard time with is the above quote.  JMHO.

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2012, 02:58:29 PM »
"The rest of our kids jogged out past the numbers and they came back by the sideline and acted like they weren't ready to go back to the huddle yet. "

I probably came across as harsh.  The part I mainly have a hard time with is the above quote.  JMHO.


It's not an unreasonable opinion.  There are some definite grey areas in some trick plays.  That is probably one of them.   I think trick plays in general can add a fun element to the game though as long as they are legal plays.   

Not many trick plays you can actually pull of at the youth level because there are so few punts and the kick offs are shallow or onside.  Extra points are worth 1 and kicks are worth 2.  Hook and ladder is tough for the reasons any downfield pass play is tough in youth football. 

Fumblerooski might work, I have never tried it. The Bounce Rooski might work if you were playing on nicely manicured field.

I like the idea of lining up in a crazy formation every once in awhile just to get a coach to burn a timeout. 

When I was OC (I was DC this year), I didn't do any unusual trick plays, but I did draw some up.  Our offense did fine so there was never need at the time. 

This year we were playing the best defense in the league, before our game they completely dominated the playoffs defensively and they had studs at every position (these are "A" teams).   I am fairly certain, but can't say for sure, that they even benched their two worst players to really bolster their talent level for the last two games.  That's not illegal in the "A" league, but I don't like it as a practice.   I apologize if any of them are reading if that wasn't the case.   I haven't even watched the film from that game yet.

Anyway, our HC felt like we may need  to manufacture a score at some point to win the game and I agreed with him. 

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2012, 11:47:58 AM »
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #64 on: February 10, 2012, 06:40:56 AM »
Anyone have the Martin Sports Youth Wrist Coach.  I am talking to a dealer on these and he is willing to work out a price of $2.50.  It seems like a "too good to be true" thing.  I don't want to spend any money without them being good wrist coaches.

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #65 on: February 10, 2012, 08:19:24 AM »
Update on our no huddle this spring...Kids seem to be catching on so far...We have 3 formations.I just use my hands to indicate the formation number & then we have a signal for the actual play & direction.So far ball handlers are picking it up.Our QB tells the oline the play & direction.They line up 2 yards behind the ball and the QB is right behind them while looking at me for the signal.so far so good.
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2012, 02:16:03 PM »
Anyone have the Martin Sports Youth Wrist Coach.  I am talking to a dealer on these and he is willing to work out a price of $2.50.  It seems like a "too good to be true" thing.  I don't want to spend any money without them being good wrist coaches.

http://www.martinsports.com/?page_id=240


Is that price for the single panel or three panel wrist coaches?
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2012, 05:21:37 PM »
Is that price for the single panel or three panel wrist coaches?


both... yeah... that is why I am skeptical about it.

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2012, 05:41:06 PM »
If you are going through a reputable dealer he should have samples for you to check out. And for me one of the biggest issues would be does it fit the kids? I had gotten a Nike 3 panel wrist coach that was said to be youth, and the thing was too big.

How many are you planning on getting is another question? But try and see if you can get your hands on a sample or simple buy 1 to check out?
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2012, 06:41:47 PM »
I've been using it for 5yrs with the wrist bands on works great.....
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2012, 09:00:09 AM »
If you are going through a reputable dealer he should have samples for you to check out. And for me one of the biggest issues would be does it fit the kids? I had gotten a Nike 3 panel wrist coach that was said to be youth, and the thing was too big.

How many are you planning on getting is another question? But try and see if you can get your hands on a sample or simple buy 1 to check out?


I plan on getting at least 30

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2012, 08:59:39 PM »
I need to get my hands on some as well. Plan to run fast tempo, no huddle with the MPPs. And have been told that wrist coaches are the way to go.
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2012, 09:48:59 AM »
I need to get my hands on some as well. Plan to run fast tempo, no huddle with the MPPs. And have been told that wrist coaches are the way to go.


PM me your contact info and I will give it to my supplier.

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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2012, 07:01:01 PM »
Sorry CoachGugs. Been a little preoccupied lately...you have a PM.
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Re: No Huddle
« Reply #74 on: March 29, 2012, 01:03:23 PM »
No huddle was a great way for us to throw a kink in the defense. The mere change of tempo can exite your offensive players and deflates the defense. We did not run a complete no huddle but we had a no huddle package that we would go into after a big gain or exiting play. This usually resulted in another big gain and most of the time a TD. These plays were mainly off of Zone with some Naked as it takes time for 14 y.o. to be able to concentrate on getting the play out of no huddle, reading the defensive line, knowing the down blocks, and where to pull. I would love to be able to go full no huddle this season and probably will. Biggest thing to remember is the endurance it takes to run such an offense. No breaks on gassers at the end of practice!! LOL
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