Mt. Rushmores (lists)

[mahonz]

OK,  you all win Favre sucked.  He's not a top 25 guy.  Maybe I should reconsider my choice.

Favre started at the quarterback position for the University of Southern Mississippi for four years before being selected in the second round of the 1991 NFL Draft by Atlanta (33rd overall). He was traded to Green Bay on February 10, 1992, for the 19th pick in the 1992 NFL Draft.

Favre became the Packers' starting quarterback in the fourth game of the 1992 season, and started every game through the 2007 season.[2] He was traded to the New York Jets and started at quarterback for the 2008 season before signing with the Vikings on August 18, 2009 as their starting quarterback.[3] He made an NFL record 297 consecutive starts (321 including playoffs).

He is the only player to win the AP Most Valuable Player three consecutive times (1995–97).[4] He has led teams to eight division championships (1995, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2007, 2009), five NFC Championship Games (1995, 1996, 1997, 2007, 2009), and two Super Bowl appearances (Super Bowl XXXI, Super Bowl XXXII), winning one (Super Bowl XXXI).

He holds many NFL records, including most career touchdown passes, most career passing yards, most career pass completions, most career pass attempts, most career interceptions thrown, most consecutive starts by a player, most consecutive starts by a quarterback, most career victories as a starting quarterback, most sacked, and most fumbles.[5][6


Yeah when Monkey's fly out f my arse I will.   

If you include "Character" as a means of greatness half of the folks on this list wouldn't make it.   Woody Hayes Punched a guy for making a tackle, Ray Lewis was investigated for a murder. LT cant stay outta trouble,  John Elway wouldn't play the game unless the Colts traded him...Shit Terell Owens was one of the best damn receivers ever to play yet, its hard to find anyone who actually likes him......Shall I continue?   

S

If anyone sucks its the guy who pulled that string in Atlanta. 

He is deserving of many lists. I was hootin' and hollerin' for him when Minn played the Saints in that NFC championship game. But alas...another Farve bonehead move ended my joy. Its just what he is known for....to aggressive maybe? I dont know.

[Michael]

If you include "Character" as a means of greatness half of the folks on this list wouldn't make it.   Woody Hayes Punched a guy for making a tackle, Ray Lewis was investigated for a murder. LT cant stay outta trouble,  John Elway wouldn't play the game unless the Colts traded him...Shit Terell Owens was one of the best damn receivers ever to play yet, its hard to find anyone who actually likes him......Shall I continue?   

I'd take Ray Lewis in a nanosecond.  Same for LT.  And yes, Elway was a pain in the ass.  He helped get Reeves fired, if I remember correctly.  But he helped get them two Super Bowl wins after that, which is a lot different from dorking two conference championship games and damaging three different franchises.  Always be worth your trouble, as I used to tell my adult teams.  I also told them that I didn't care if they came straight from the bar to practice (we practiced in the early morning), as long as they produced.

I'm not much of a fan of Hayes or Owens.

My four favorite players of all time are Lewis, Ed Reed, The Playmaker, and Deion, so I'm not exactly looking for a bunch of sweethearts.

[CoachShad]

I'd take Ray Lewis in a nanosecond.  Same for LT.  And yes, Elway was a pain in the ass.  He helped get Reeves fired, if I remember correctly.  But he helped get them two Super Bowl wins after that, which is a lot different from dorking two conference championship games and damaging three different franchises.  Always be worth your trouble, as I used to tell my adult teams.  I also told them that I didn't care if they came straight from the bar to practice (we practiced in the early morning), as long as they produced.

I'm not much of a fan of Hayes or Owens.

My four favorite players of all time are Lewis, Ed Reed, The Playmaker, and Deion, so I'm not exactly looking for a bunch of sweethearts.

Funny I thought it was you that pointed out his Character flaws and lack of "Team Spirit".  My point was simply that he played the game very, very, well.  Halo NO Football oh hell to the yes!!   

[Michael]

I don't care about character issues that don't affect the team.  I care very much about character issues that do affect the team, and Favre had them.

It's not that he was great, but I don't want to list him because he was a jerk.  It's that he wasn't great, because he was a jerk.

But don't throw away your Brett Favre pajamas just because I don't like him.

[CoachShad]

Naw, I'll keep em

I got a picture of Romanowski spitting on folks if anyone wants it!!  Theres a class act!!   

[Coach D]

I'm finding the Brett Farve argument kinda funny, since all you guys have reached "Brett Farve" status on your dumcoach accounts 

[CoachShad]

From the sounds of those against him, I think this level of commentary should be changed to "Supreme Tool" in his honor.  LOL

Damn, Daddy told me if your going to do something do it well.  I was working diligently towards Perfect Asshole, now I have to redirect to Supreme Tool.  Life throws yet another curve ball.   

[jkoester]

Regarding Favre - I don't care that he was a jerk, or that he texts pics of his unit to an intern.

I care that he cost his teams big games with bad plays. 

Here's one for HS football's Mt. Rushmore - NJ lost a good coach yesterday.  Couldn't stand his program, mostly due to jealousy.  Wish I played for him.

http://www.nj.com/hssports/blog/football/index.ssf/2012/01/vic_paternostro_of_pope_john_new_jerseys_all-time_winningest_football_coach_dies_at_67.html

[Michael]

Yup.

So now I'm:

Montana
Brady
Manning
Marino
Elway
Brees
Bob Griese
Phil Simms (when healthy, man, that guy could thread a needle)
Ken Anderson
Bradshaw
Steve Young
Staubach
Kelly
Tarkenton
Aikman

And maybe Big Ben not even going to try to spell his last name...

Not sure I put Kosar in there, actually.

So I'm at 15-16 before I want anything to do with Brett Favre.  And I haven't even touched the old guys like Unitas, Starr, Namath...

Not quite 25, but I'm thinking I can go 20 QB's I'd take before I get to Favre. 

To me, being a "me" guy has EVERYTHING to do with QB.

And if Eli wins this weekend, he goes on that list ahead of Favre too.

So another just got added.

[Belebuch]

Guess i cant call him She-li anymore. Didnt see the game but 2 SB MVPs says it all.

[jkoester]

Funny how that works - the reputation of a QB and how much it depends on those around him was really so clear to see last night.

Brady hits Welker in the hands, and puts the ball in the hole in the zone for Branch, but the receivers don't make the plays.  Both times, the ball was a tough catch, so Brady takes some heat there for sure.  But bottom line, they don't make the plays.

Compare that to the sideline catch Manningham made.  That was one of the best catches I've ever seen - to me, that was far superior to Tyree's catch in 07.  Tyree's was as much fluke/luck as anything else.  Last night was a thing of beauty.

Not to mention - look at these three plays in the first quarter:

Brady's brain fart on the first play for the safety.
The Pat's D with 12 men on the field, negating the the fumble that they recovered.
Mayo not even looking at the receiver or QB as he runs right by the TD pass - should have been a pick, he was RIGHT THERE.  I have no idea wtf he was looking at, he ran right by the guy and the ball.

All 3 of those were really unforced errors, and Brady was only responsible for #1.  Yet potentially because of them, Brady's legacy takes a hit, and Manning gets elevated.

None of which I'm saying to try to denigrate Manning or excuse Brady.  I said it mid-4th quarter as the Pats were driving, that this was one of the most critical drives in Brady's career.  They stick the ball in the end zone to make it a 2 score game, they win.  They don't, and give it back to Manning, they lose.  And that's what happened.  One team made the plays, one didn't.  There was room for Brady to make better throws to keep that drive going.  He flat out didn't get it done when he had to.

[mahonz]

Funny how that works - the reputation of a QB and how much it depends on those around him was really so clear to see last night.

Brady hits Welker in the hands, and puts the ball in the hole in the zone for Branch, but the receivers don't make the plays.  Both times, the ball was a tough catch, so Brady takes some heat there for sure.  But bottom line, they don't make the plays.

Compare that to the sideline catch Manningham made.  That was one of the best catches I've ever seen - to me, that was far superior to Tyree's catch in 07.  Tyree's was as much fluke/luck as anything else.  Last night was a thing of beauty.

Not to mention - look at these three plays in the first quarter:

Brady's brain fart on the first play for the safety.
The Pat's D with 12 men on the field, negating the the fumble that they recovered.
Mayo not even looking at the receiver or QB as he runs right by the TD pass - should have been a pick, he was RIGHT THERE.  I have no idea wtf he was looking at, he ran right by the guy and the ball.

All 3 of those were really unforced errors, and Brady was only responsible for #1.  Yet potentially because of them, Brady's legacy takes a hit, and Manning gets elevated.

None of which I'm saying to try to denigrate Manning or excuse Brady.  I said it mid-4th quarter as the Pats were driving, that this was one of the most critical drives in Brady's career.  They stick the ball in the end zone to make it a 2 score game, they win.  They don't, and give it back to Manning, they lose.  And that's what happened.  One team made the plays, one didn't.  There was room for Brady to make better throws to keep that drive going.  He flat out didn't get it done when he had to.

John

I felt that the Pats receivers let the team down for sure. I also felt that Woodhead was well on his way to the MVP. They should have just stuck with him down the stretch because the Giants D certainly couldn't.

Tough loss for Pats fans no doubt.

[Coach D]

  One team made the plays, one didn't.  There was room for Brady to make better throws to keep that drive going.  He flat out didn't get it done when he had to.

I agree... It sure seemed like he was throwing behind guys more than he normally does.  And Manningham's catch was definitely one the best ever, but I like many many people, have to start giving Eli some credit now for sure.

   

[Michael]

I felt that the Pats receivers let the team down for sure.

You been talking to Gisele?

http://www.theinsider.com/gossip/49452_Gisele_Bashes_Tom_s_Teammates/index.html

[jkoester]

They were plays professional receivers should have made.  But so be it.

Tough loss, but not even close to 2007.  This Pat's team wasn't supposed to get this far.  Their defense has been truly awful, but it wasn't the D that lost this game.  In fact, their D played well, definitely well enough to win.  Brady had the ball in his hands with a chance to ice the game in the 4th quarter, no ifs ands or buts.  And they didn't get it done.

Now it's up to Belichick to get it done in the draft.  This team is not old, they still have plenty of window left, IF they can add an impact player or two in that secondary.  Their front 7 is pretty good.  They don't have a ton of needs on that team - one or two DB's, a pass rusher, maybe another OL or two, and they're in great shape.  With all of his picks, if he can't get 3-4 players out of it, he's got to make changes in how they draft.