More Mt. Rushmore's

[Daniel Lyons]

Mt. Rushmore = 4 picks

NFL WR's

Jerry Rice
Don Hutson
Randy Moss
Steve Largent



NFL LB's

Dick Butkus
Lawrence Taylor
Jack Ham
Ray Lewis

Best NFL Superbowl Team Ever

1989 49ers
1985 Bears
1978 Steelers
1992 Cowboys

[Coach D]

Mt. Rushmore = 4 picks

NFL WR's
-  Rice
-  Moss
-  Largent
-  Swann (his numbers aren't as high as some others but I'm going with ability and team  affect.  Swann could do it all)
   Honorable Mention - C. Carter, D. Hudson
NFL LB's
-  L. Taylor
-  Butkus
-  Singletary
-  D. Thomas
   Honorable Mention - R. Lewis, B. Bergey

Best NFL Single Season Team Ever
-  85' Bears
-  72' Dolphins
-  79' Steelers
-  07' Patriots

Best College FB Single Season Team Ever
This one is way tougher...  I'm just goin with a couple I've heard of and a couple I followed.

-  61' Alabama
-  72' USC
-  71' or 95' Nebraska
-  94' Penn State (I'll always remember this team as being one of those teams totally screwed by the faulty system.  Everyone and their brother and including all odds coming out of Vegas would have highly favored this PS team to beat Nebraska that year and yet Nebraska ended at number 1 and Penn State at 2 - so they get kuddos on my mount).

[Michael]

No way the '72 Dolphins make my list.  They were 16-0 and underdogs to a 13-3 team.  Then they won by a touchdown and are now supposedly one of the two or three greatest teams ever.  I'm not seeing it.

College:
'71 Nebraska
'72 USC
'95 Nebraska
'01 Miami 

[Rich Kelly]

No way the '72 Dolphins make my list.  They were 16-0 and underdogs to a 13-3 team.  Then they won by a touchdown and are now supposedly one of the two or three greatest teams ever.  I'm not seeing it.

College:
'71 Nebraska
'72 USC
'95 Nebraska
'01 Miami

SO Brett Favre and the 72 Miami dolphins, a future HOF QB, with numerous records, and the ONLY team in the NFL to amass an undefeated season, arent good enough to make your lists ?

[Coach D]

No way the '72 Dolphins make my list.  They were 16-0 and underdogs to a 13-3 team.  Then they won by a touchdown and are now supposedly one of the two or three greatest teams ever.  I'm not seeing it.

College:
'71 Nebraska
'72 USC
'95 Nebraska
'01 Miami 

I hear you... It just feels wrong to keep them off "Mt. Footballmore" - can't argue with your college picks.  Pretty great teams!  But I gotta agree with CoackKell on Farve!  He's gotta be in your top ten at least... 

[Michael]

SO Brett Favre and the 72 Miami dolphins, a future HOF QB, with numerous records, and the ONLY team in the NFL to amass an undefeated season, arent good enough to make your lists ?

Is that a trick question?

[Rich Kelly]

Is that a trick question?

no, it seems pretty direct to me, who does make your lists?

[CoachShad]

"Then, in one of the strangest plays in Super Bowl history, Garo Yepremian's field goal attempt was blocked. Instead of just covering the ball, he tried to pick it up and throw it. The ball slipped out of his hand and was batted into the arms of Redskins cornerback Mike Bass, who ran the ball back 49 yards, cutting the lead in half."

That is the only scoring the Redskins had!   The "No Name Defense".  Czonka, Kiick, Warfield, and Griese.  Miami had a great team very under rated until this season...

 

[Michael]

The best record by a Dolphins opponent was 8-6.

Even taking away the games against the Dolphins, the five best records were 8-5, 8-5, 7-6, and 7-5 (twice).  The other nine had losing records.  They won their playoff games by 6 and 4, they were underdogs going into the Super Bowl to a team that went 11-3 during the regular season, and then won that by 7.

They were very good, but lots of Super Bowl winners were very good.  I don't see them in the top four.

I might have the '78 and '79 Steelers, '84 and '89 49ers, and '85 Bears all ahead of them.  And that's just during the Super Bowl era.

[Michael]

no, it seems pretty direct to me, who does make your lists?

It's a direct question with an obvious answer: No.

So I'm surprised you asked it.

"Who does make your lists?" is a different question.

I've answered the quarterback question and I just posted a minute ago about the greatest NFL teams.

[Rich Kelly]

It's a direct question with an obvious answer: No.

So I'm surprised you asked it.

"Who does make your lists?" is a different question.

I've answered the quarterback question and I just posted a minute ago about the greatest NFL teams.

No you never did I asked to see who did make your top 25 on the QB question, since you are in a minority of coaches that think Favre should not be listed as one of the greatest, just would like to see the list of who you would place in front of him


As for the Dolphins, the fact that being undefeated underdogs, who still won the superbowl, leads you to leae them off the list of one of the greatest teams in the history of the NFL, seems pretty weak, but to each their own

Everyones entitled to their opinion

[mahonz]

The best record by a Dolphins opponent was 8-6.

Even taking away the games against the Dolphins, the five best records were 8-5, 8-5, 7-6, and 7-5 (twice).  The other nine had losing records.  They won their playoff games by 6 and 4, they were underdogs going into the Super Bowl to a team that went 11-3 during the regular season, and then won that by 7.

They were very good, but lots of Super Bowl winners were very good.  I don't see them in the top four.

I might have the '78 and '79 Steelers, '84 and '89 49ers, and '85 Bears all ahead of them.  And that's just during the Super Bowl era.

M

Being the stats master that you are....

Which SB winners played the toughest schedules? That list would have merit.

[CoachShad]

ARGH.

Do the math on all the teams listed from the Steelers, Bears, Cowboys, Patriots.  None of them chose their opponents the NFL did. 

[mahonz]

ARGH.

Do the math on all the teams listed from the Steelers, Bears, Cowboys, Patriots.  None of them chose their opponents the NFL did.

Meaning....only SB teams that went back to back should be considered as the best ever....cuz they had to do it all over again vs the "tough" schedule.

Packers, Steelers, 49'rs, Cowboys, Broncos, Pats, Dolphins. Right? Did I miss any?

Steelers being the top dogs cuz they went back to back twice in 5 years. First team to three peat will be the top dog period considering how hard it is to win one.

[Michael]

ARGH.

Do the math on all the teams listed from the Steelers, Bears, Cowboys, Patriots.  None of them chose their opponents the NFL did.

Right.

Not playing a tough schedule is not proof that the '72 Dolphins weren't the best.  However, it leaves open the possibility that they weren't that great.  Strength-of-schedule doesn't make a team good or bad.  But doing well against a tough schedule provides some evidence of possible greatness.  The '72 Dolphins COULD be the best team of all time.  But the range in which they could fall is a lot wider than it would have been had they gone 17-0 against a tough schedule.