zone vs slanting 4 tech, slanting 0 tech

[CoachCalande]

I read this on a defense website...

"vs a head up tech slanting, theres a 50% chance youll block that guy..."


Is that about right? zoners?

[MHcoach]

Coach C

We almost bank on the 4 tech slanting. It becomes a simple combo for us, sometimes we combo with the G & sometimes with the H back. Our Zone play was super effective vs odd fronts with a 4 tech last season. If combo came from the G then the T stepped outside first, if the 4 tech slanted there he rode him in that direction(vice a versa with the H back). The 4 tech never really worried us, remember we read the ILB so that was always a bigger concern.

Joe

[CoachCalande]

Thanks Joe-  reading more on the 353, several coaches suggest practicing vs zone schemes more than anything else.

[CoachCalande]

Coach C

We almost bank on the 4 tech slanting. It becomes a simple combo for us, sometimes we combo with the G & sometimes with the H back. Our Zone play was super effective vs odd fronts with a 4 tech last season. If combo came from the G then the T stepped outside first, if the 4 tech slanted there he rode him in that direction(vice a versa with the H back). The 4 tech never really worried us, remember we read the ILB so that was always a bigger concern.

Joe

Joe- if the 4 tech slants inside into the guard/tackle gap attacking the hip /thigh of the guard, what is your guard and tackle coached to do, how about their eyes in relationship to the mike backer and the stacked 40 tech vs a 353?

[mahonz]

I read this on a defense website...

"vs a head up tech slanting, theres a 50% chance youll block that guy..."


Is that about right? zoners?

Steve

A little rule of thumb I put together for our coaches / players that I compiled from the zone masters. I didnt start out teaching percentages but I certainly went that way in a hurry. If your DL was aware of this as well that would be good. The OL is looking for the combo first but that is really up to the DL and how they attack.

Always stressing eyes forward and then play side.....

Coaching Points Play Side:
1.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 1 tech (A gap defender).
2.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 3 tech (B gap defender).
3.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 5 tech (C gap defender).
4.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 0i tech (inside shaded on Center)
5.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 2i tech (inside shaded on Guards)
6.) There is a greater chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 4i tech (inside shaded on Tackles)
7.) There is half the chance the uncovered linemen will end up blocking the 0 tech (head-up on Center)
8.) There is half the chance the uncovered linemen will end up blocking the 2 tech (head-up on Guards)
9.) There is half the chance the uncovered linemen will end up blocking the 4 tech (head-up on Tackles)
10.) There is a slight chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 0o tech (outside shaded on Center)
11.) There is a slight chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 2o tech (outside shaded on Guards)
12.) There is a slight chance the uncovered lineman will end up blocking the 4o tech (outside shaded on Tackles)

Coaching Points Backside:
1) Coop a 0 tech (head up on the Center)
2.) Cut any 1 or 3 tech ( A or B gap defenders)
3.) Sift hard to the play side or call side any 2 or 4 tech defenders ( head up defenders)
4.) Ignore any defender aligned outside the Tackle at the first level.

[mahonz]

The 4 tech never really worried us, remember we read the ILB so that was always a bigger concern.

Joe

Joe

Can you elaborate a little on your ILB read. Is this for the back or the OL?

Thanks and hope all is well.

[MHcoach]

Coach C

We faced several 3-5-3 teams last season. Running mostly Zone, Power, & Counter; we set school records for rushing & scoring. We try to keep things simple, if we had a Gator (G & T combo) then the T would step outside punching through the 4 tech. If the 4 slanted inside the tackle should have had inside hand on him, he would maintain pressure till he felt the G pick up the block then get to next level for the stacked backer. Our C & backside G would have a Cougar to the Mike.  Tackle always makes the call first, so depending on where the Spur was aligned we could make a Tiger call( T & Hback) they would combo to the stack & playside G would Cougar to the Mike.

Mike

We always teach our TB to read the Mike backer. On most teams the Mike is the best tackler we read his flow to find the seam, that is why the backdoor cut is so deadly vs 3-5-3.

Joe

[mahonz]

Coach C

We faced several 3-5-3 teams last season. Running mostly Zone, Power, & Counter; we set school records for rushing & scoring. We try to keep things simple, if we had a Gator (G & T combo) then the T would step outside punching through the 4 tech. If the 4 slanted inside the tackle should have had inside hand on him, he would maintain pressure till he felt the G pick up the block then get to next level for the stacked backer. Our C & backside G would have a Cougar to the Mike.  Tackle always makes the call first, so depending on where the Spur was aligned we could make a Tiger call( T & Hback) they would combo to the stack & playside G would Cougar to the Mike.

Mike

We always teach our TB to read the Mike backer. On most teams the Mike is the best tackler we read his flow to find the seam, that is why the backdoor cut is so deadly vs 3-5-3.

Joe

Thanks Joe.

With the youths I felt and was told by the TB’s that reading the first level was confusing. So we started reading the LB’r inside the POA and it seemed to really help open up their vision. We were leaving a lot of yards on the field. I was informed by another coach on this forum that this practice was unsound so thanks for fortifying this for me. It seemed logical and worked but went against the purists way of reading.

[CoachCalande]

Joe- can I trouble you for a couple of dvds of game film vs those stack teams? Id love to study that footage.

[MHcoach]

Coach C

I'll look & see what I have. If I can't find anything I'll be up at school next week & grab something.

Joe

[durfee4]

Good post nice replys.Thanks

[CoachCalande]

Coach C

I'll look & see what I have. If I can't find anything I'll be up at school next week & grab something.

Joe

If you need me to send postage and blank dvds let me know. - Steve

[durfee4]

Explains a little,  http://www.bruinsnation.com/2010/2/4/1288302/overview-of-zone-blocking  ,   http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php?topic=593.0    http://www.scribd.com/doc/6727920/Zone-Blocking#archive_trial   hope it helps.

[Rich Kelly]

I read this on a defense website...

"vs a head up tech slanting, theres a 50% chance youll block that guy..."


Is that about right? zoners?

Zone was designed to handle slanting defenses, I' had ZERO trouble with slanting 4 techniques

[durfee4]

Zone was designed to handle slanting defenses, I' had ZERO trouble with slanting 4 techniques

Thats what I,ve read it to be.