33 SA Dog alignment

[MHAQ]

Hey guys-

What are the advantages of having the Dogs aligned 2 to 3 yards off the line of scrimmage versus having them on the line.

For example, in the 42 and 60 look I assume the Dogs still keep their depth too?

I know that the 33 SA alignment in the 42 and 60 front is very much like Jacks 63 with the exception of the Dogs/DE...just want to really understand the "why" part of the Dog alignment and advantages and preferred adjustments in depth.

Thanks in advance.

[mahonz]

M

Depends on what 33 you are running.

Sometimes the Spurs are on the LOS...sometimes 1x4....sometimes 4x1....sometimes 3x3....sometimes mirroring a #2 receiver....sometimes as a second high safety.

Basically at the end of the day...there is no every down rule for alignment for the Spurs. They are flex players and two of the best players on the D. They can align by formation or by play call. If I had a base it would be an alignment so that the Spur can comfortably read through a TE position onto the deepest back... but that wouldn't work for the DW, for example because your Spur would then be aligned almost on the sideline  ...and why the position should flex around a bit.

My thoughts. 

[MHAQ]

"Sometimes the Spurs are on the LOS...sometimes 1x4....sometimes 4x1....sometimes 3x3....sometimes mirroring a #2 receiver....sometimes as a second high safety.

That's the questions I am looking to have answered. The "why" you would move them.

Let's go with a 2 tight scenario we see a lot in the 10 year old age group around here and suppose you are running a base 353. (By the way, nobody in our league runs DW, SW, or Wing-t.)

What is the philosophy in the 353 defense that dictates that the Spur is 3x3 from the emlos? What is the functional advantage of this versus having him on the los in the 53?

I can attempt to answer my own question as I guess being 3x3 would help support off tackle and also be able to spill rather than contain on sweeps. Of course it makes it easier to cover the numbers when you get a 2x2 alignment or trips. Are those some of the reasons?

I just want to be able to convey to my AC's the "why" part versus that is just the way the defense is set up....hope that makes sense.

Thanks again in advance for any input.

I just want to get my arms around the advantages of having the Spur at 3x3 or other adjustments versus being on the los.

[jkoester]

It's a comfort thing.  With a TE and nobody out wide, the "book" is 3x3 from EMLOS.  That said, we frequently have our Dog up on the LOS.  We fight the dog moving too far in, he's got to stay out wider.  He's not a DE, and when they sneak in to the traditional DE alignment of outside shoulder of TE, we're in trouble, the angles are wrong.

He's got to be able to force the ball off track - pinching off tackle, or forcing the ball to bubble deep to get outside.  You can do that playing outside in from 3 yards wide, harder to do it when you're more vertical coming from just outside the TE.

[MHAQ]

OK. I understand the width. Makes sense. Thanks.

So what are the advantages of the depth of 2 to 3 yards off the line versus being up on the los?

Thanks again for any input.

[jkoester]

We don't do it, so I can't really speak to any advantages.  If you've got a quicker kid and a team that sweeps, maybe that depth gives him some good angles, plus quicker coverage to the flats.

[mahonz]

OK. I understand the width. Makes sense. Thanks.

So what are the advantages of the depth of 2 to 3 yards off the line versus being up on the los?

Thanks again for any input.

M

Every O accounts for the edge defender that is typically a wide DE especially at the youth level.

Well...the Spurs are technically DE's but now invisible to the blocking schemes so much more difficult to account for.

[CoachJJ]

Hey guys-

What are the advantages of having the Dogs aligned 2 to 3 yards off the line of scrimmage versus having them on the line.

For example, in the 42 and 60 look I assume the Dogs still keep their depth too?

I know that the 33 SA alignment in the 42 and 60 front is very much like Jacks 63 with the exception of the Dogs/DE...just want to really understand the "why" part of the Dog alignment and advantages and preferred adjustments in depth.

Thanks in advance.

Well, there are a few things that went into the decision of lining up the DOGs the way we do ... in no particular order, here are some thoughts about it ...

~ 3x3 puts them in position to defend quick slants passes at the spot where the QB wants to deliver the ball ... this is one of the most common answers we hear to our CBs being 10 yards off the line ... that teams will just run SLANT all day and kill us ... well we almost never give up more than one Slant pass per game once the DOGs see it the first time and they remember how cool it is to step in front and take that back for a big play ...

~ Kids will cheat on you no matter where you move them ... as wide and as deep as we start, we find our DOGs creeping up and inside all the time ... so we start them farther away to keep me from going insane on Play TWO when they are lined up like DEs ... LOL

~ Kids will take bad angles even when you train them daily about using the correct angles ... again this deeper concept helps keep them from diving straight in down the line of scrimmage when they THINK they see a dive play ...

~ Kids will make mistakes and bad reads and take false steps ... we like our kids to be super aggressive and make decisions quickly and without fear ... by using a 3x3 alignment they can misread and misstep and still make a good play where a DE would be beaten with one false step because he is too close to the action ...

~ Blocking schemes (as a DW team we know how much we rely on f*cking with the DE) are often based on how to attack certain positions and DE is one of the main ones ... if our DOG is 'off' the LOS then a lot of teams struggle to decide whether he is the player they are attacking ... in fact a lot of teams treat the DOG as a CORNER early in the game ... and still other teams will chase him with a TE or OT (because it is his job to block the DE) and we get free rushing lanes for our stack players ...

~ Player Agents and Daddy Coaches ... when a bad Daddy Coach tries to 'fix' his DE son that can be very very bad for us ... however, none of our DOGs ever have parents that think their kid is playing DE so we dont seem to have this issue ...

~ Finally, it really is just a starting point assuming a fairly traditional offensive formation with at least one wide receiver to each side (on or off the LOS) ... we adjust quite a bit based on 'threats' ... when the DOG has no outside threat we rarely keep him that deep and we always tell them they need to judge the runners and make an early determination where they need to start out in order to effectively perform their duties ... some games we get one DOG at 4x1 and the other at 2x0 or whatever they need ... again this helps muddy the blocking schemes as both sides of our very EQUAL defense seem to be played differently ...

[MHAQ]

Thanks JJ!

That is what I was looking for...

Appreciate the feedback.

[CoachJJ]

Thanks JJ!

That is what I was looking for...

Appreciate the feedback.

Thanks not necessary ... that's why Clarke pays me the big bucks ... LOL