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Title: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 07, 2013, 12:29:40 PM
The rules of this thread all the way to New Orleans….there are no rules….IT’s A FAN THREAD !

The Packers O is healthy again and it looks like they were simply getting their timing down vs the Vikings. 49’rs have a rookie QB but their D makes it close. Rodgers will throw 3 TD's with a lineman illegally down field every time.

Packers 24 - 49’rs 20

Shanny is an idiot to listen to a Rookie and leave him in the game but the Seahawks still win that game regardless and looked smooth. Atlanta will beat themselves…again and Wilson will lead the entire game in rushing and lead blocking. 

Seahawks 27 – Atlanta 17

Texans are the worst team left in the hunt. Completely lost their Mojo for some odd reason. Now they play the team that took that from them.  Patriots rest their starters in the 4th Quarter and Kubiac comes in to finish the game at QB. 

Patriots 38 – Texans 6

Ravens beat up a confused rookie Colts team flying on high emotions. They are still average. Broncos have that guy playing QB and a D that guy has never been paired up with before…ever. Ed Reed tells John Fox he will sign with the Broncos after the season since this is the team where great Safeties go to and retire.

Broncos 31 – Ravens 13
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachAnthony on January 07, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
Packers vs 49ers - Packers 31-17 - Rodgers will 4 TD's.Harbaugh won't be able to keep up the 49ers up with them.
Seahawks vs Atlanta - Atlanta 27-21 - Seahawks defense will keep them close but they won't win with a rookie QB.

Patriots vs Texans - Patriots 35-14 - Typical big win against the worst team left in the playoffs.
Broncos vs Ravens - Broncos 21-20 - Flacco will keep them close but won't win it.Ray Lewis AND Ed Reed both retire.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 07, 2013, 02:52:47 PM
No rules?! 

Alright.  Then all your teams suck, 9ers are gonna win it all! :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 07, 2013, 02:59:25 PM
Packers vs 49ers - Packers 31-17 - Rodgers will 4 TD's.Harbaugh won't be able to keep up the 49ers up with them.
Seahawks vs Atlanta - Atlanta 27-21 - Seahawks defense will keep them close but they won't win with a rookie QB.

Patriots vs Texans - Patriots 35-14 - Typical big win against the worst team left in the playoffs.
Broncos vs Ravens - Broncos 21-20 - Flacco will keep them close but won't win it.Ray Lewis AND Ed Reed both retire.
I dont see how the packers hold up....as with the falcons....the only way either wins imo is if both is if russell and kappy play like rookies. Neither ryan or rodgers is going to have the time to throw the football, they would have against the alternate oppenent.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 07, 2013, 03:05:07 PM
Coach Anthony, you must have missed the first 49er packer game...

Alright, heres my scores.

49ers-93 ---Packers-0
This game will come down to.... How much the Packers stink...

Atlanta 27--- Seahawks 20
Ryan & the Falcons are ridiculous at home.  Seahawks wont have the luxury of playing a QB w/ one leg.

Pats--37 ---- Texans 24
If the Texans weren't playing w/ defenders they just signed off the street, i'd give them a better chance... X-Factor will be Andre Johnson.  As NE has no one that can match up on him.

Denver--34----Baltimore--17

Joe Flacco sucks.  Baltimore would be better off running the Wing T (Flacco went to Delaware).



Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 07, 2013, 04:02:06 PM
No rules?! 

Alright.  Then all your teams suck, 9ers are gonna win it all! :)

 8)

I dont see them getting it done vs the Packers. Its a healthy Rodgers & Co that have waited 365 days after being shocked by the Giants....they are on a mission.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 07, 2013, 04:13:14 PM
while we are at it. ND or Alabama? My gut is telling me Notre dame.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 07, 2013, 04:23:34 PM
while we are at it. ND or Alabama? My gut is telling me Notre dame.


Please please please ND. For the sake of the Country and the future of all CFB... ND.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 07, 2013, 04:25:45 PM
8)

I dont see them getting it done vs the Packers. Its a healthy Rodgers & Co that have waited 365 days after being shocked by the Giants....they are on a mission.

Did i miss something the last time they played?

Rodgers was healthy & the 9ers dominated them.  What has changed since then?  Other than the 9ers upgrading their QB...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 07, 2013, 04:27:26 PM

Please please please ND. For the sake of the Country and the future of all CFB... ND.
I think it would be awesome if alabama won. in a day and age of offense for a defensive jedi master to win 4 national titles is and would be special. And the bear is within sabans reach.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachgs on January 07, 2013, 04:50:18 PM
The rules of this thread all the way to New Orleans….there are no rules….IT’s A FAN THREAD !

THE GIANTS DID NOT MAKE IT !!!!
 
NFL football is obviously rigged.  >:(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 07, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Did i miss something the last time they played?

Rodgers was healthy & the 9ers dominated them.  What has changed since then?  Other than the 9ers upgrading their QB...

Kapperdink and Gore running option...that's all I can see now.  :P
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 07, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
Beastmode and the Hawks are my favs this yr = new blood

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 07, 2013, 06:06:05 PM

THE GIANTS DID NOT MAKE IT !!!!
 
NFL football is obviously rigged.  >:(

Just look forward to 2015 when they barely make it in and then tear out New England's heart again.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 07, 2013, 06:37:53 PM
49ERS 23 PACK 17 behind the strength of their D.
Seattle 31 Atlanta 21. Seattle playing good ball.
Patriots 34 Houston 14
Broncos 41 Ravens 17. Broncos rolled in Baltimore. Will dominate at home so long as Manning is healthy.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachAbode on January 07, 2013, 09:08:16 PM
I'm a 9ers fan, but I think Manningham's injury is gonna effect the O big time. I still think they can pull it off at home. Seattle/Atlanta could go either way. You could make the argument that no one in the NFC is hotter than the Seahawks right now. I'm gonna favor the home team in that one. Got to go with the Patriots and the Broncos. Man I wanted Indy to be the Ravens. That would have been a great storyline Payton against his old team. Oh well.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachgt on January 07, 2013, 09:51:07 PM
8)

I dont see them getting it done vs the Packers. Its a healthy Rodgers & Co that have waited 365 days after being shocked by the Giants....they are on a mission.

They should have been on that mission Game 1 this year. We saw how that went. 9ers will strike gold.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on January 07, 2013, 10:02:22 PM
Previously thought the 9ers were the team to beat until they stumbled a bit.  Now I think this game is a toss up.  Ill take GB by 6 27-21

Falcons are do or die, too good not to have, won to snake bit to win.  I say Falcons by 7  21-14

Patriots and Texans will be a repeat of the last game. Unless Arian Foster carries them   
35-7

Denver and Baltimore, Denver by 14  28-14
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 07, 2013, 10:05:56 PM
Once Peyton figured it out in Denver and brushed the dust off they were the only team that did not lay an egg late in the season. Well, Seattle also. Not that that means anything.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 07, 2013, 10:31:22 PM
I gotta stay with my pre-season picks, NE/SF in the Bowl Though Seattle has got me scratching my head ...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 07, 2013, 10:33:41 PM
This is one of the deepest years in recent memory... SF, NE, GB, DENVER, SEATLE... Would you be shocked if any one of those teams won?  ATL has a good shot too.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 07, 2013, 10:51:05 PM
...with no clear cut favorite.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 10, 2013, 12:49:50 PM
I dont get it....

They are baking Shanny for playing RGIII and they baked Cutler for riding the cycle a few years ago for the same injury...the two situations are almost parallel.

McElroy wouldn't tell Ryan he had a concussion. Seau had CTE. You think Alex Smith will ever admit to having a concussion again?

What's the deal. These players will play if they can stand up is the deal.

Im sick of this hypocritical slant that is happening. They get paid millions to play...and if they cant preform they will be replaced. Just like any business. I think being the trainer in the NFL just became a really hard job...ethically.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 10, 2013, 01:04:37 PM
Media take on this is absurd. I bet RG3 thought better of sitting out in fear of losing his job. Cousins played well in his absence. The tough guy mentalility is dangerous for the players. The players can't win and what Harbaugh did hurts the league. So the NFL wants players to be open about concussions but if they are they lose their jobs. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 10, 2013, 04:29:07 PM
Jag's just hired a new GM. Who in turn, fired our HC. Everyone saw that coming though.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Vince148 on January 10, 2013, 06:32:40 PM
Green Bay 38 SF 10
Seattle 14 Atlanta 10
NE 27 Houston 17
Denver 20 Baltimore 13
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 10, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
I heard he also came out and said no Tebow. I was listening to this idiot talk radio guy discussing where Tebow will go. I would think any gm who hired him might get fired. Canada seem like it might be an option.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 10, 2013, 06:38:44 PM
Tebow is still a Jet so I dont think any team can publicly come right out and say they are interested until March 1 or its considered tampering.

Im sure the Agents are always talking to teams though so Im not sure whats the difference? 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 10, 2013, 07:05:57 PM
Tebow is still a Jet so I dont think any team can publicly come right out and say they are interested until March 1 or its considered tampering.

Im sure the Agents are always talking to teams though so Im not sure whats the difference?
No he plainly said he would not be a Jaguar, no matter if the Jet's release him or not.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 12, 2013, 11:43:47 AM
I am revising one of my predictions.

Broncos 19 Ravens 6.

Its 10 degrees and snowing right now. BRRRRRR flippin' brutal cold. The hits are going to hurt and any nagging injuries are going to be amplified.

Each bench will have heated seats with helmet warmers and the field is heated to 55 degrees but the air will break your fingers off.

Should be fun !
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 06:07:08 PM
This Peyton Manning guy is pretty good.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 06:17:38 PM
This Peyton Manning guy is pretty good.

Preeeeeety preeeeeeety gooood.  (Curb)

Champ Bailey is getting abused!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 12, 2013, 06:19:18 PM
This is the same thing Jimmy Smith did to the Broncos back in the day.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 06:42:12 PM
This Peyton Manning guy is pretty good.
anybody (cough cough Mahonz) still think they should have kept tebow?  ;D
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 06:53:11 PM
What this game needs is ref that will call more penalties.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 08:11:26 PM
If Denver wins this game I withdrawal my pick for them winning the sb. Too many mental mistakes to be for real. The rest of that tea, needs to step up to Manning's level of game awareness.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
both oc's should be fired.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
Manning is Denvers oc.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 08:44:56 PM
Manning is Denvers oc.
if you think manning is calling 1st down runs? you  r kidding yourself.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
At some point Denver needed to make a stop on defense. Now they interview and honor the murderer as he praises god.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 08:52:19 PM
At some point Denver needed to make a stop on defense. Now they interview and honor the murderer as he praises god.
supposed  god  ;)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 08:56:27 PM
YIKES!

Change the channel & watch some real football :). 9ers!!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 12, 2013, 08:57:58 PM
both oc's should be fired.....

TT

Caldwell couldnt HC an all star team but he saved BMores season.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachDavidP on January 12, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
At some point Denver needed to make a stop on defense. Now they interview and honor the murderer as he praises god.

I guess the Broncos weren't true enough believers..... ::)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 12, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
Denver QB in the playoffs
Manning = 0
Tebow = 1

 :P
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 09:03:33 PM
YIKES!

Change the channel & watch some real football :). 9ers!!
That was a pretty good football game.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
That was a pretty good football game.


Amazing game.  Just giving you guys a hard time. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 12, 2013, 09:11:15 PM
a frustrating game. Denver made mistakes they had not been making. Strange how you make mistakes and then loose games. Oh well. I don't cheer for teams in pro football. i just really enjoy watching Manning play.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 09:34:13 PM
a frustrating game. Denver made mistakes they had not been making. Strange how you make mistakes and then loose games. Oh well. I don't cheer for teams in pro football. i just really enjoy watching Manning play.
if kappy plays like this, lombardi is going to san fran.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 09:38:26 PM
a frustrating game. Denver made mistakes they had not been making. Strange how you make mistakes and then loose games. Oh well. I don't cheer for teams in pro football. i just really enjoy watching Manning play.

I don't know.  Baltimore gave up 2 special teams TD's.  And missed a wide open TD pass to Smith....

So i'd say the mistakes were even, if not favoring Denver.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 09:40:22 PM
I don't know.  Baltimore gave up 2 special teams TD's.  And missed a wide open TD pass to Smith....

So i'd say the mistakes were even, if not favoring Denver.
I thought denver controlled the game....they just gave up the big play....over and over and over....baltimore wont win the superbowl with that offensive game plan...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 09:43:25 PM
I thought denver controlled the game....they just gave up the big play....over and over and over....baltimore wont win the superbowl with that offensive game plan...

Thats how to be NE though.  NE is one of the worst teams in the NFL @ giving up the big play. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 09:50:26 PM
Thats how to be NE though.  NE is one of the worst teams in the NFL @ giving up the big play.
the only way that beats ne though is if new england fumbles over itself on offense...Not something as an Oc i  would count on.
baltimore is going to see the  randy moss defense.....and dare rice and jacoby jone to beat them.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 12, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
Maybe Denver just wasnt as good as advertised. Playing in the west can make any team look great.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 12, 2013, 10:25:49 PM
H E L L S    B E L L S I hope Fox retires ! The guy wouldn't risk a dime to make a dollar.

Waaaaay to much like Reeves. This team was overly conservative and poorly coached...and the best team in the playoffs....yesterday.

How many third and mediums did they run the football and fail with Peyton filippin' Manning?

Kneel the football with two timeouts and 35 seconds and play for overtime with Peyton filippin' Manning?

500 yards of Offense given up to the Baltimore flippin' Ravens?

Entertaining game though but I expected this next week...not today.

McCoy hits the road....Moore comes in...Del Rio takes over as HC....Denver gets it done next season.

Im also thinking a week off is not such a great deal anymore.

GO SEAHAWKS !

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 12, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
Maybe Denver just wasnt as good as advertised. Playing in the west can make any team look great.

G

I thought maybe so...until about week 12 or 13 and it hit me....they rolled on teams. Its the NFL...that doesn't happen week after week. Everyone lays a turd even if that means a one point win. 

They were up 31-3 on the Ravens in Baltimore....31-7 vs Cincy in Cincy....absolutely destroyed KC which is rare for any team within the Division...and so on. The games were boring really. Little drama.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 10:53:16 PM
you know what makes san francisco so dangerous? the same thing that has has allowed stanford and alabama to enjoy so much success...The willingness to run the football even when its "not working"...the niners will just beat you to death....and are willing to...very rare anymore.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 12, 2013, 10:54:49 PM
Peyton just proved once again that he is not clutch in post season.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 10:56:04 PM
Peyton just proved once again that he is not clutch in post season.
take away the 3 deep bombs given up by the secondary, we would be talking about what snooze that game was.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 12, 2013, 11:02:57 PM
take away the 3 deep bombs given up by the secondary, we would be talking about what snooze that game was.

Take away the 30 6 yard passes, 2 kick returns, all the tackles, the blocking & the players & there would be no game to talk about!  lol...

I hate those statements.  Take away the 3 bog touchdown plays?  UH..... Isn't that the object? 

Put Deion Sanders on Torrey Smith & it's a laugher?  lol.  Come on.  They got beat.  Legit.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
Take away the 30 6 yard passes, 2 kick returns, all the tackles, the blocking & the players & there would be no game to talk about!  lol...

I hate those statements.  Take away the 3 bog touchdown plays?  UH..... Isn't that the object? 

Put Deion Sanders on Torrey Smith & it's a laugher?  lol.  Come on.  They got beat.  Legit.
I am not arguing that balti didnt deserve to win..they....but Manning wasnt the reason denver loss.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
Ball game... We would like to congratulate the GB Packer for participating in this year version of the  NFL playoff.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 12, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
When they said they weren't going to let Adrian Peterson to rush for 200 yards, I figured that covered Colin Kaepernick, too.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 12, 2013, 11:19:08 PM
When they said they weren't going to Adrian Peterson to rush for 200 yards, I figured that covered Colin Kaepernick, too.
They did have it covered....what they didnt have covered was the fact that kappy is not joe webb or christian ponder....he is better. Lots betters.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 13, 2013, 09:00:37 AM
I just hope the Pats game isnt over by halftime.
Go Hawks
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:35:48 AM
I'm just waiting for all you guys to eat crow on your Packers predicts.  I thought it was pretty funny that you thought the Pack would win, even though the 9ers man handled them the first game.  And that was before they had Kaepernick starting....

Discout double choke!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: jrk5150 on January 13, 2013, 09:55:08 AM
Denver beat one team all year - Baltimore in week 15.  Then lost to them when it counted.

It is what it is.  They beat bad teams.  Talk to NE fans about putting up crazy numbers against bad teams only to lose when it really matters, although Manning has taken that to new heights (lows).  I think that's Manning's 8th one and done in the playoffs.  You can whine all you want about "it wasn't Manning's fault", but he doesn't win when it counts.  Never has.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
I'm just waiting for all you guys to eat crow on your Packers predicts.  I thought it was pretty funny that you thought the Pack would win, even though the 9ers man handled them the first game.  And that was before they had Kaepernick starting....

Discout double choke!
I picked the 9ers to win. Would have to eat a lot of crow onthe broncos outcome though.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 13, 2013, 10:56:19 AM
I thought this was a team sport. Not Manning's fault. Not Champ's fault either but if you want to point fingers that should be the direction. You could make the same argument about Marino  but the truth is if your supporting cast does not hold up their end of the bargain it does not matter how well you hold up your's
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 10:59:33 AM
Think were all eating crow on that one....

Going into the game, the only statistical advantage Balti had on Denver was on special teams. Then Balti gives up 2 returns TD's and Denver STILL loses!  Unbelievable. 

Just goes to show, theres no way to measure heart, determination & character.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 11:01:23 AM
I thought this was a team sport. Not Manning's fault. Not Champ's fault either but if you want to point fingers that should be the direction. You could make the same argument about Marino  but the truth is if your supporting cast does not hold up their end of the bargain it does not matter how well you hold up your's

Team sport.  But it usually comes down to individu matchups, when good teams face off.  Champ got ABUSED!  Manning couldn't throw the ball more than 10 yards.  Game over.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 11:08:20 AM
Think were all eating crow on that one....

Going into the game, the only statistical advantage Balti had on Denver was on special teams. Then Balti gives up 2 returns TD's and Denver STILL loses!  Unbelievable. 

Just goes to show, theres no way to measure heart, determination & character.
Torn on that game. Life long broncos fan, until Tennessee got the Titans. Still support broncos, but I hate Peyton Manning. Even when he was at UT, I couldn't stand the guy. I respect his game, just am a bigger fan of the gritty QBs. Manning is much better as a pro than he ever was in college.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 11:10:21 AM
Torn on that game. Life long broncos fan, until Tennessee got the Titans. Still support broncos, but I hate Peyton Manning. Even when he was at UT, I couldn't stand the guy. I respect his game, just am a bigger fan of the gritty QBs. Manning is much better as a pro than he ever was in college.

He actually managed to go the whole post-game press conference without throwing any teammates under the bus, unless I missed it.

And hey, his wife didn't do it, either, which puts her ahead of a certain other quarterback's wife, at lead when it comes to behavior after losses.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 11:28:33 AM
He actually managed to go the whole post-game press conference without throwing any teammates under the bus, unless I missed it.

And hey, his wife didn't do it, either, which puts her ahead of a certain other quarterback's wife, at lead when it comes to behavior after losses.
Who woulda thought he would make that rookie mistake in OT?  If anyone goes under the bus,  he join them. Its a team game,  I get it,  but I was shocked that he attempted that throw at that time.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
Denver beat one team all year - Baltimore in week 15.  Then lost to them when it counted.

It is what it is.  They beat bad teams.  Talk to NE fans about putting up crazy numbers against bad teams only to lose when it really matters, although Manning has taken that to new heights (lows).  I think that's Manning's 8th one and done in the playoffs.  You can whine all you want about "it wasn't Manning's fault", but he doesn't win when it counts.  Never has.

J

I think they said Manning is 8-11 now in the playoffs and has been in the playoffs 12 times. So however that adds up. 

It was real simple for me....Baltimore played with nothing to lose and Denver played with everything to lose. Fox is too conservative. Worked well last season....caught up with him this season.  He admits...he plays the odds rather than his gut.

The local media is BAKING him right now. Fox lost that game...4 or 5 times over.

But I am a well trained Broncos fans...for 35 years there is usually an eye popping story come out of the playoffs....and Denver has been part of that story all too often. Any more it rolls off my back. I believed they had the team to win it all this year....oh well. They entertained me this season. At least Im not a Cleveland fan. 

Did you get your package?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 11:33:16 AM
Who woulda thought he would make that rookie mistake in OT?  If anyone goes under the bus,  he join them. Its a team game,  I get it,  but I was shocked that he attempted that throw at that time.

Yeah, he was OK getting more than 1/53 of the salaries, so I'm OK with him getting more than 1/53 of the blame.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 13, 2013, 01:35:51 PM
As coaches we know to never blame our players. Funny how don't follow that as fans.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 02:36:09 PM
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As coaches we know to never blame our players. Funny how don't follow that as fans.
Our players get paid in happy meals. Making what those players make, I will take all the blame you want. Those guys know better. Kids are learning the game from us. We are on a little different stage. You're good enough for a payday, you are good enough to take heat for a bonehead play that you got paid to make.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
I think i'm the only one on the board that had Atlanta.  27-20....

A lot of times, people get caught up in the hype.... Seatle is an awful road team every year.  Atlanta is a great road team every year.  This is no surprise to me...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 02:46:25 PM
I think i'm the only one on the board that had Atlanta.  27-20....

A lot of times, people get caught up in the hype.... Seatle is an awful road team every year.  Atlanta is a great road team every year.  This is no surprise to me...
  At this rate,  you will be way off on the score. :) Still a half to go.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
I think i'm the only one on the board that had Atlanta.  27-20....

A lot of times, people get caught up in the hype.... Seatle is an awful road team every year.  Atlanta is a great road team every year.  This is no surprise to me...

W

Im just happy I didn't put any money where my mouth was.  ???
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 02:47:56 PM
In the NFL...everyone's to blame...good and bad.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 02:48:33 PM
W

Im just happy I didn't put any money where my mouth was.  ???


What?  Theres no money on this?   Boooooooo... :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 02:49:10 PM
In the NFL...everyone's to blame...good and bad.


I blame the cheerleaders.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 02:51:40 PM

I blame the cheerleaders.

Number one reason the Raiders are so average.... seriously....how do you concentrate on your job with all that jiggling?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: jrk5150 on January 13, 2013, 02:53:44 PM
J

I think they said Manning is 8-11 now in the playoffs and has been in the playoffs 12 times. So however that adds up. 

Someone around here looked it up and like 8 times (I'm including yesterday) he lost in their first game of the playoffs.

And notice I never advanced anyone else over Manning.  In fact, I commiserated in that, "team game" or not, Brady hasn't gotten it done in years either.  There are rumblings around here over it - Brady has been subpar in the playoffs since they last won it in 2004.  Both Giants games were there for the taking - one QB reached out and took it, one did not.

Intellectually, of course I understand that there are other players who had chances to make plays at the end of both of those games to seal them, and did not.  But the fact is, if Brady is in the conversation for GOAT, then he's got to make those plays when his teammates do not.

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Did you get your package?

Yes, I did.  I dropped you an email the other day.  Thank you, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 02:55:53 PM
Everyone that picked the Packers....

I want to hear you say:  Colin Kaepernick is the greatest player who ever lived. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Someone around here looked it up and like 8 times (I'm including yesterday) he lost in their first game of the playoffs.

And notice I never advanced anyone else over Manning.  In fact, I commiserated in that, "team game" or not, Brady hasn't gotten it done in years either.  There are rumblings around here over it - Brady has been subpar in the playoffs since they last won it in 2004.  Both Giants games were there for the taking - one QB reached out and took it, one did not.

Intellectually, of course I understand that there are other players who had chances to make plays at the end of both of those games to seal them, and did not.  But the fact is, if Brady is in the conversation for GOAT, then he's got to make those plays when his teammates do not.

Yes, I did.  I dropped you an email the other day.  Thank you, I appreciate it.

John

Cool...hope you get some good info from it.

At the end of the day...NFL fans like us can only be thankful...our teams have won some SB's lost some SB's and been in the playoffs enough over the long haul to keep us happy.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 03:00:36 PM
Everyone that picked the Packers....

I want to hear you say:  Colin Kaepernick is the greatest player who ever lived.

Flash in the Pan right now...give him another year or two. The kid can certainly play.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 03:05:27 PM
Flash in the Pan right now...give him another year or two. The kid can certainly play.



Well, he's been flashing every game so far.  Strongest arm in the league (statistical fact).  Mixed w/ incredible speed & solid accuracy.  Oh, and he's freaking HUGE!

I think he'll be around a while...

1st round pick in fantasy drafts next year?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 13, 2013, 03:07:11 PM
Flash in the Pan right now...give him another year or two. The kid can certainly play.
He seems to have that it factor for sure. As long as he keeps his cockiness in check and stays healthy, he will do great.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 03:15:40 PM
He seems to have that it factor for sure. As long as he keeps his cockiness in check and stays healthy, he will do great.

D

If the 49'rs trade for Tebow that would be genius. Then they dont have to change styles with their backup when necessary.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 13, 2013, 03:19:45 PM
It makes sense but why would you want the circus. I would fire a gm that brought him in.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 03:21:05 PM
It makes sense but why would you want the circus. I would fire a gm that brought him in.

R

I think the circus is over. Media has moved on.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
D

If the 49'rs trade for Tebow that would be genius. Then they dont have to change styles with their backup when necessary.
so he can cause more chaos on yet another team? and mind you, none of it is his doing.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
so he can cause more chaos on yet another team? and mind you, none of it is his doing.

TT

Maybe his only role could be to change the selfish attitude of Davis. He would certainly fit into their style of Offense as the backup.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 03:31:39 PM
R

I think the circus is over. Media has moved on.
You don't think it will start back where ever lands? I will say this,  and it may not be popular,  he is bowling shoe ugly to watch,  but he is a winner and I will always take that over style. You can saythey won in spite of him or whatever,  but it doesn't change the fact of a win.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 03:32:56 PM
Not Harbaugh's style.  You guys must not be familiar w/ the 49ers 3rd string QB.  Josh Johnson.  Played for Harbaugh.  Athletic w/ a big arm.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 13, 2013, 03:33:01 PM
D

If the 49'rs trade for Tebow that would be genius. Then they dont have to change styles with their backup when necessary.
It could work but why would you trade for him when he will be released soon anyways. I think he should go to Canada. I think he would do well in the CFL. Or even the AFL, he could give that league a huge shot in the arm.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 03:48:18 PM
TT

Maybe his only role could be to change the selfish attitude of Davis. He would certainly fit into their style of Offense as the backup.
I would argue that those attitudes are needed, welcomed with some coached, in fact cherished by some coahes.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
Tebow makes no sense, because they already have a backup that is similar to Kap & a better passer than Tebow....

Looks like Seatle, is gonna make me eat crow... ouch.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 04:15:44 PM
As hard as the Falcons work to lose playoff games, they just couldn't do it this time.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
As hard as the Falcons work to lose playoff games, they just couldn't do it this time.
There's always next week.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 04:18:19 PM
No way they beat the kapeniners.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 13, 2013, 04:25:42 PM
No way they beat the kapeniners.
I agree.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 04:27:28 PM
No way they beat the kapeniners.

W

The early line is Falcons by 88.

Hey Gonzoles is one of the good guys. Cant believe this his first playoff win.

Atlanta now has seen it...and will defend it. 49'rs go down.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 04:29:58 PM
It could work but why would you trade for him when he will be released soon anyways. I think he should go to Canada. I think he would do well in the CFL. Or even the AFL, he could give that league a huge shot in the arm.

D

I just think these teams are playing with fire unless they have two QB's that can run their style of O.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 04:31:31 PM
W

The early line is Falcons by 88.

Hey Gonzoles is one of the good guys. Cant believe this his first playoff win.

Atlanta now has seen it...and will defend it. 49'rs go down.

I was hoping you would endorse the Falcons.... Now we know FOR SURE, the KaperNiners are goona win :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
I was hoping you would endorse the Falcons.... Now we know FOR SURE, the KaperNiners are goona win :)
W

I am really hoping I am the kiss or death here. I picked the Pats over the Texans and we are all sick of them Pats. 

Lets have some fresh SB teams this season. That's all I ask. The 49'rs do fall into that category. Its been quite a while.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 04:56:30 PM
if you have imagination, the pats could said to be playing a 2-5....they are playing jones like a 3-4 backer in the "4-3"
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 13, 2013, 05:18:19 PM
You guys see Tebow's little brother gloating on Twitter about Denver losing?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: jrk5150 on January 13, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
JJ Watts is freaking good.  Damn.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 05:58:28 PM
you guys see the tackle trap? and long trap at that.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 13, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
JJ Watts is freaking good.  Damn.

J

Yes he is. Maybe they should start playing him both ways cuz things are about to get ugly.  :(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 07:26:43 PM
Brady is absolutely GUTTING Houston.. Stickin with it SF/NE (preseaspn pick superbowl) ... with NE winning it
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
Brady is absolutely GUTTING Houston.. Stickin with it SF/NE (preseaspn pick superbowl) ... with NE winning it
the way they play with ridley in the passing gives them the chance to be  a different type of san fran special....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 07:46:32 PM
the way they play with ridley in the passing gives them the chance to be  a different type of san fran special....


I guess were all going to forget about the pounding SF gave NE too right?  Keep sleeping on the Niners.. I love it...

For those of you that didn't see NE & SF game.  Welker had like 1 catch through 3 quarters.  NE started to score when SF went into prevent. 

NE's recievers were absolutely terrified to go over the middle.  Which is where Brady makes his living.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 07:52:14 PM

I guess were all going to forget about the pounding SF gave NE too right?  Keep sleeping on the Niners.. I love it...

For those of you that didn't see NE & SF game.  Welker had like 1 catch through 3 quarters.  NE started to score when SF went into prevent. 

NE's recievers were absolutely terrified to go over the middle.  Which is where Brady makes his living.
That comment had nothing to do with last night, or the 49ers that played last night....but your  knowledge of history is about the same my tolerance of libs.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 08:00:08 PM
Well, i'm referencing a game from like 4 weeks ago?  Am i mistaken in anything i said?

Thats pretty recent to be talking about it in a historical context.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 08:01:51 PM
Well, i'm referencing a game from like 4 weeks ago?  Am i mistaken in anything i said?

Thats pretty recent to be talking about it in a historical context.
sigh!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 13, 2013, 08:04:20 PM
Earlier games mean nothing. Seen it a bunch of times where teams get blown out and a few weeks later beats the team that blew them out.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 08:14:30 PM
Earlier games mean nothing. Seen it a bunch of times where teams get blown out and a few weeks later beats the team that blew them out.

Was only a few weeks ago...

Sometimes it doesn't some times it does.  Mattered in regards to Packers & Texans....

And thats why i pointed out that NE WR's were terrified to go over the middle.  That aint gonna change.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
Was only a few weeks ago...

Sometimes it doesn't some times it does.  Mattered in regards to Packers & Texans....

And thats why i pointed out that NE WR's were terrified to go over the middle.  That aint gonna change.
how many point did ne score in that 2nd half? let alone in the 4th q?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Vince148 on January 13, 2013, 09:31:14 PM
Green Bay 38 SF 10
Seattle 14 Atlanta 10
NE 27 Houston 17
Denver 20 Baltimore 13
Well, I picked 3 out of 4....losers!!!  :(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 09:33:33 PM
NE WR's were terrified to go over the middle.  That aint gonna change.

It might not change a lot, but getting this close to a ring my toughen them up a little bit.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
how many point did ne score in that 2nd half? let alone in the 4th q?

Thats exactly what i said in my original post.  When the niners went to prevent ' a deep zone, thats when the PAT's scored points.  Didn't do crap before that...

They were completely dominated when the game mattered most.  When NE got close again, the Niners stepped on their throat...

If you want to point to success against prevent to build your argument, well, i hope the bookmakers do the same :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Thats exactly what i said in my original post.  When the niners went to prevent ' a deep zone, thats when the PAT's scored points.  Didn't do crap before that...

They were completely dominated when the game mattered most.  When NE got close again, the Niners stepped on their throat...

If you want to point to success against prevent to build your argument, well, i hope the bookmakers do the same :)
::)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
It might not change a lot, but getting this close to a ring my toughen them up a little bit.

True enough.  I just think it's funny how people are sleeping on a team that man handle the Packers & the Pats...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 09:41:57 PM
True enough.  I just think it's funny how people are sleeping on a team that man handle the Packers & the Pats...
  The seahawks manhandled the niners and the seahawks...so guess the ravens and niners having nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
Stat of the Day:

Years in which Joe Flacco has won a playoff game: 5
Years in which Peyton Manning has won a playoff game: 4

I kid you not.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 09:49:22 PM
Stat of the Day:

Years in which Joe Flacco has won a playoff game: 5
Years in which Peyton Manning has won a playoff game: 4

I kid you not.
number of people who consider flacco elite? same number of people who wont vote to put peyton in the H.O.F.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:49:56 PM
  The seahawks manhandled the niners and the seahawks...so guess the ravens and niners having nothing to worry about.


I'm not saying it's the be all end all...

But it's important to look at why teams get their ass kicked.  NE got killed, because they couldn't stop Kaepernick (growing theme?). And because they were scared to go over the middle, which is what they do best.

Could that change?  Sure.  It's possible.  I'm just saying, i don't know how you guys can keep leaning towards teams that got killed by SF....


No one leaned towards any of the other teams that got killed by their opponents.  But it
different for SF?  I don't get it.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 13, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
number of people who consider flacco elite? same number of people who wont vote to put peyton in the H.O.F.

I know, I know.

But it's still amazing.  That just makes it more so.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 09:51:17 PM

I'm not saying it's the be all end all...

But it's important to look at why teams get their ass kicked.  NE got killed, because they couldn't stop Kaepernick (growing theme?). And because they were scared to go over the middle, which is what they do best.

Could that change?  Sure.  It's possible.  I'm just saying, i don't know how you guys can keep leaning towards teams that got killed by SF....


No one leaned towards any of the other teams that got killed by their opponents.  But it
different for SF?  I don't get it.
the unstoppable qb...never heard that one....put the poms poms down.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 13, 2013, 09:53:11 PM
No way they beat the kapeniners.

Didnt Seattle hang 50 on you?

Falcons win -4.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:54:58 PM
Must not watch a lot of football...  Lol...

QB play wins championships now days.  (For the most part).
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 13, 2013, 09:55:47 PM
Must not watch a lot of football...  Lol...

QB play wins championships now days.  (For the most part).
ironic you say that... ;D
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 09:58:21 PM
Didnt Seattle hang 50 on you?

Falcons win -4.

Not on me....

Were not playing the Seahawks.  All about matchup's...  That said, SF also beat Seattle this year. 

SF matches up well w/ Atlanta.  The finesse teams struggle mightily w/ SF.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 13, 2013, 10:00:46 PM
Not on me....

Were not playing the Seahawks.  All about matchup's...  That said, SF also beat Seattle this year. 

SF matches up well w/ Atlanta.  The finesse teams struggle mightily w/ SF.

Lets see what happens on the field.  I wont bring it up agin till next weekend.

Go Birds!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 13, 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Lets see what happens on the field.  I wont bring it up agin till next weekend.

Go Birds!


I picked your team to win today....

They gave up a lot of yards to a running QB today.  Will they do better against an even better running QB?  And a pass rush at full strength?  (Seattle was w/ out their best pass rusher).

But hay, thats why the play the game on the field.   
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 14, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
H E L L S    B E L L S I hope Fox retires ! The guy wouldn't risk a dime to make a dollar.

Waaaaay to much like Reeves. This team was overly conservative and poorly coached...and the best team in the playoffs....yesterday.

How many third and mediums did they run the football and fail with Peyton filippin' Manning?

Kneel the football with two timeouts and 35 seconds and play for overtime with Peyton filippin' Manning?

500 yards of Offense given up to the Baltimore flippin' Ravens?

Entertaining game though but I expected this next week...not today.

McCoy hits the road....Moore comes in...Del Rio takes over as HC....Denver gets it done next season.

Im also thinking a week off is not such a great deal anymore.

GO SEAHAWKS !

Mike,

It came down to one play, IMO. The one play that cannot happen. A safety allowing someone deeper than them with less than a minute to go. We teach 8 year olds that can't happen. I hate to pin it on one play, but that inexcuseable.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 14, 2013, 10:10:19 AM
As a Jaguar fan I can not say Del Rio is the answer, unless you are looking for a guy not affraid to go for it on 4th down. For a good laugh google Jack Del Rio and chopping wood.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 11:05:16 AM
Mike,

It came down to one play, IMO. The one play that cannot happen. A safety allowing someone deeper than them with less than a minute to go. We teach 8 year olds that can't happen. I hate to pin it on one play, but that inexcuseable.

P

8 year olds defend that play.  :'(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 14, 2013, 11:11:34 AM
P

8 year olds defend that play.  :'(
In theory they do.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2013, 11:21:58 AM
P

8 year olds defend that play.  :'(

Depends who's coaching them.

I was helping out a 5-7 team once in a while a few years ago.  They had me as one of the coaches on the field.  Tie game or up by 2 or something like that, 90 seconds left in the game or something like that, running clock (always for that age group), other team has the ball on their own 30 or so.  I played a really good kid at safety, and deep, to clean up any run that broke free.  The other coach told me, "He ain't no use back there.  Move him up."  I was like, "Sure, knock yourself out."  So they moved him up to the box and we promptly allowed a 70-yard run down the sideline.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
In theory they do.....
In theory 8 yr olds cant throw or defend that play...to complicated..... ;) ;D
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 14, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
In theory 8 yr olds cant throw or defend that play...to complicated..... ;) ;D
This is youth football after all.... 8)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
In theory 8 yr olds cant throw or defend that play...to complicated..... ;) ;D

TT

I feel bad for Moore...#26 at Safety that gave up that play. Made a rookie mistake. He is only 22 and had a great season. He apologized to the fans, his teammates and the Owner. He could barley speak. I applaud him for that.

This hopefully burns with them all big time. Last time this happened Denver won back to back SB's and the core is in place. This is a swift kick in the nuts for Fox as well. He is absolutely getting baked right now...even by some of the players.

Atlanta had two timeouts and 25 seconds left in regulation and won their game with a 49 yard FG. Denver had 31 seconds left in regulation with three timeouts and took a knee....with Peyton flippin' Manning.  Playing to lose....you lose. That much is true.

They have a press conference at noon....maybe they will be introducing a new HC.   :D  I never liked the hire in the first place as you know. It was a band aide hire after they fired Mini McHoodie.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 11:55:11 AM
TT

I feel bad for Moore...#26 at Safety that gave up that play. Made a rookie mistake. He is only 22 and had a great season. He apologized to the fans, his teammates and the Owner. He could barley speak. I applaud him for that.

This hopefully burns with them all big time. Last time this happened Denver won back to back SB's and the core is in place. This is a swift kick in the nuts for Fox as well. He is absolutely getting baked right now...even by some of the players.

Atlanta had two timeouts and 25 seconds left in regulation and won their game with a 49 yard FG. Denver had 31 seconds left in regulation with three timeouts and took a knee....with Peyton flippin' Manning.  Playing to lose....you lose. That much is true.

They have a press conference at noon....maybe they will be introducing a new HC.   :D  I never liked the hire in the first place as you know. It was a band aide hire after they fired Mini McHoodie.
I am not a fox fan either, but in his defense, His style of football has 3 of the last 4 NC in college and pretty good chance that his desired style of football at least to some some exstent will win the superbowl. I am not saying he is smith saban jim harbaugh or  hoodie...(no I dont put john harbaugh in that coversation)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 11:58:58 AM
I've always thought that coach Fox was a great coach.  Especially after what he did w/ Tebow last year...

But i was SHOCKED, that they took a knee w/ 31 sec left.  Everyone in the room was stunned.  And it was because they had Peyton Manning...

That said.  Their was a common theme throughout the game.  How many times did Manning throw the ball down field?  I cant remember any!  The longest throw he made was the TD throw to the corner.  At least that i cam remember.  He could BARELY get the medium out rout to Stokely.  Stokely had to go down & make a great catch.

I'm not sure Manning has regained his arm strength.  I don't think he had what it took to drive the ball down field.  Certainly in that wheather at least.  So i think thats why they took a knee.  In years past, there NO WAY, Manning would have even LET his Coach tell him to take a Knee.  I thing Manning HAD to be a part of that decision to take a knee....

Mahonz, i missed the presser.  Did one of them take the blame for it?  Or both?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2013, 12:02:14 PM
The Patriots won their first Super Bowl by going for the win in pretty much the same situation, and with a QB who had only started for part of the year.  And they had just given up a 14-point lead.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:06:45 PM
The Patriots won their first Super Bowl by going for the win in pretty much the same situation, and with a QB who had only started for part of the year.  And they had just given up a 14-point lead.
It is what seperate the hoodie from the rest of the pack....he gotten toasted for that same call many times.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 12:09:31 PM
I am not a fox fan either, but in his defense, His style of football has 3 of the last 4 NC in college and pretty good chance that his desired style of football at least to some some exstent will win the superbowl. I am not saying he is smith saban jim harbaugh or  hoodie...(no I dont put john harbaugh in that coversation)

TT

Interesting side bar that one of the local Talking Heads on TV is saying….he is a die hard Broncos fan and used to cover them 30 years ago and has a long list of friends in the Org.

Dan Reeves was beyond concertative. Never followed his gut and always played the odds. He had success but never great success. Fox is Reeves.

Elways contract was up so he told the Owner….Pat its me or him. Well Reeves was sent packing and that eventually led to the Shanahan era. 

This Talking Head reminded everyone of that….publicly. Elway is probably the next Owner the both of them are so tight so he can flip any switch for any reason right now…and everything he has touched thus far has worked out well. They owned the AFL Colo Crush together before the league went dark for a while but they got out even though the Crush was a very successful Team. 

Fox is getting blasted from all directions. This might be the one decision he cant overcome. It was staggering what he did. I doubt the guy will even be able to go grocery shopping around these parts without getting heckled. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:10:10 PM
It is what seperate the hoodie from the rest of the pack....he gotten toasted for that same call many times.


Didn't the Pats take the SAFE approach last night, w/ 3 timeouts, and ended up giving up 3 points before the half because of it?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:14:44 PM

Didn't the Pats take the SAFE approach last night, w/ 3 timeouts, and ended up giving up 3 points before the half because of it? touchdown or field goal?
do you know the defensive calls?I thought the pats had complete control of the game and displayed so in the first drive of the second half.... I didnt see a whole lot of space between the rec. of houston and the patriot defenders...
do you remember the Indy game where he let brady throw it kevin faulk and it failed?
btw do names roger craig and rick watters ring a bell by any chance? that 49er thing.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:15:18 PM
Below is the first line from CBS sports writer talking about the game... Apparently, i wasn't alone in my assesment of Mannings arm.



"Peyton Manning threw two interceptions and his arm looked extremely tired."
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 14, 2013, 12:16:36 PM
do you know the defensive calls? I didnt see a whole lot of space between the rec. of houston and the patriot defenders...
do you remember the Indy game where he let brady throw it kevin faulk and it failed?
btw do names roger craig and rick watters ring a bell by any chance? that 49er thing.

The famous Mr. "For who?  For what?"
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:18:04 PM
Below is the first line from CBS sports writer talking about the game... Apparently, i wasn't alone in my assesment of Mannings arm.



"Peyton Manning threw two interceptions and his arm looked extremely tired."
yes the same arm that got them to 13-3.... from a guy  who couldnt tell the different between a pro set and an I formation.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
I've always thought that coach Fox was a great coach.  Especially after what he did w/ Tebow last year...

But i was SHOCKED, that they took a knee w/ 31 sec left.  Everyone in the room was stunned.  And it was because they had Peyton Manning...

That said.  Their was a common theme throughout the game.  How many times did Manning throw the ball down field?  I cant remember any!  The longest throw he made was the TD throw to the corner.  At least that i cam remember.  He could BARELY get the medium out rout to Stokely.  Stokely had to go down & make a great catch.

I'm not sure Manning has regained his arm strength.  I don't think he had what it took to drive the ball down field.  Certainly in that wheather at least.  So i think thats why they took a knee.  In years past, there NO WAY, Manning would have even LET his Coach tell him to take a Knee.  I thing Manning HAD to be a part of that decision to take a knee....

Mahonz, i missed the presser.  Did one of them take the blame for it?  Or both?

W

Fox had nothing to do with Tebow....he played Orton until the season was lost....or so he thought. Fortunately the AFC West is the new NFC West these days so Denver won the Division with a spectacular 8-8 record last year.

Tebow was all McCoy's doing and for that it helped land Manning. And McCoy had everything to do with helping Denver learn the Manning way on Offense.

Fox just watched everything unfold and dictated certain things at certain times like take a knee in that game and lets regroup because I play the odds.... not my gut. The team was reeling for sure....but not as bad as Atlanta was yesterday....and they played to win.

Its why McCoy will be a header in a matter of days.

I dont know what a presser is? .
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:18:22 PM
do you know the defensive calls?I thought the pats had complete control of the game and displayed so in the first drive of the second half.... I didnt see a whole lot of space between the rec. of houston and the patriot defenders...
do you remember the Indy game where he let brady throw it kevin faulk and it failed?
btw do names roger craig and rick watters ring a bell by any chance? that 49er thing.

None of what you just said, has ANYTHING to do w/ what i said....

The Patriots elected to try & run the clock out @ the end of the half, w/ over a minute & 3 timeouts left.  It wound up costing them 3 points to Houston.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
The famous Mr. "For who?  For what?"
what confused you?
None of what you just said, has ANYTHING to do w/ what i said....

The Patriots elected to try & run the clock out @ the end of the half, w/ over a minute & 3 timeouts left.  It wound up costing them 3 points to Houston.
how much were they up by? they were in complete control of that game..no reason to do anything they didnt want to do.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:22:11 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE.  Did either of them take the blame for taking a knee?  I personally think that Manning knew he couldn't make the throws to get them down the field in that about of time, in that wheather.  I think Manning was part of that decision.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
what confused you?how much were they up by? they were in complete control of that game..no reason to do anything they didnt want to do.

They were up by 7 points...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:24:51 PM
yes the same arm that got them to 13-3.... from a guy  who couldnt tell the different between a pro set and an I formation.


Who didn't know PRO from I?  The CBS writer? 

Mannings arm looked dead.  He could not throw fhe ball down field.  Could barely reach Stokely on a 9 yard out.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:26:09 PM
They were up by 7 points...
and they were still in complete control of the game....the only stopping the pats was the pats.

Who didn't know PRO from I?  The CBS writer?  I am not sure anymore

Mannings arm looked dead.  He could not throw fhe ball down field.  Could barely reach Stokely on a 9 yard out.
have you ever thought just maybe baltimore wasnt letting them do it? JUST MAYBE.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 14, 2013, 12:28:45 PM
Its why McCoy will be a header in a matter of days.
Rumor is the Jags have or are going to be bringing him in for an interview. I think him or Roman for the 9ers are the 2 favorites. Followed by little Schottenheimer.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 12:34:30 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE.  Did either of them take the blame for taking a knee?  I personally think that Manning knew he couldn't make the throws to get them down the field in that about of time, in that wheather.  I think Manning was part of that decision.

W

I watched Manning's PC. The guy is a diplomat and took one for McCoy and Fox for sure.

Denver is leading 35-28 at the 2 minute warning. Baltimore is out of time outs and its 3rd and 7. They run the football for no gain. Manning said he checked to that call which is total BS. They just came off the timeout and were in a Power formation and they snapped the football with no Manning pre snap "speak".

He said taking a knee was a collective decision to regroup.

As far as the long ball....weather and a healthy Ravens D if you ask me.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:36:04 PM
and they were still in complete control of the game....the only stopping the pats was the pats.have you ever thought just maybe baltimore wasnt letting them do it? JUST MAYBE.

Sure i thought that.  Until i saw him unable to make throws he's always been able to make....

You cant excuse Bellicheck & crush Fox for doing almost the same thing.  The Pats went into the half, only up by 4, because of Bellichek playing it safe.  If the only thing that could stop them, was themselves, why not drive down field & put another TD on the board?

And the Pats had 3 timeouts & over a minute.  And a QB at full strength.  Denver had 2 timeouts, 31 sec. left, and a QB that couldn't drive the ball down field.

As i said, i'm not the only one that felt that way.  Should i bring up more quotes from people that felt the same?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
Sure i thought that.  Until i saw him unable to make throws he's always been able to make....

You cant excuse Bellicheck & crush Fox for doing almost the same thing.  The Pats went into the half, only up by 4, because of Bellichek playing it safe.  If the only thing that could stop them, was themselves, why not drive down field & put another TD on the board?

And the Pats had 3 timeouts & over a minute.  And a QB at full strength.  Denver had 2 timeouts, 31 sec. left, and a QB that couldn't drive the ball down field.

As i said, i'm not the only one that felt that way.  Should i bring up more quotes from people that felt the same?

W

End of the half...end of the game.

Two different animals. Plus the Pats we receiving the ball to start the third quarter.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 14, 2013, 12:41:55 PM
You gotta at least try. Playing for the tie is playing to get beat in my mind. Manning did look like he was not able to put the ball down field but the defense is going to give you the short intermediate stuff over the middle. 2 completions with some yac and they are close to fg range.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
Sure i thought that.  Until i saw him unable to make throws he's always been able to make....

You cant excuse Bellicheck & crush Fox for doing almost the same thing.  The Pats went into the half, only up by 4, because of Bellichek playing it safe.  If the only thing that could stop them, was themselves, why not drive down field & put another TD on the board?

And the Pats had 3 timeouts & over a minute.  And a QB at full strength.  Denver had 2 timeouts, 31 sec. left, and a QB that couldn't drive the ball down field.

As i said, i'm not the only one that felt that way.  Should i bring up more quotes from people that felt the same?
I can do whatever i want....I can say same about denver at the end of the half as I can NE......Baltimore showed no ability to move the ball down the field and stick it in the endzone....Denver did it(move the ball down the field and stick it in the endzone)...could do it....denver eliminates the the blown coverage, plays better technique game is over If  am john fox....I can say the same thing about new england...their was nothing constant from houston that said they needed to take any  unwarranted risk...none. baltimore wasnt giving the big throw up. that was plain as  day.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
W

I watched Manning's PC. The guy is a diplomat and took one for McCoy and Fox for sure.

Denver is leading 35-28 at the 2 minute warning. Baltimore is out of time outs and its 3rd and 7. They run the football for no gain. Manning said he checked to that call which is total BS. They just came off the timeout and were in a Power formation and they snapped the football with no Manning pre snap "speak".

He said taking a knee was a collective decision to regroup.

As far as the long ball....weather and a healthy Ravens D if you ask me.


Thats EXACTLY what I thought was the case.  I believe Manning.  Everything h/ saying, confirms what we were seeing.  He was aware of his own ability to push the ball down the field. 
If Manning had said, "Give me the damn ball, i'm going to win the game".  I guarantee you Fox would have let him try.  Fox may have wanted to take a knee, but i believe Manning made the final call on that.  You don't bring in a HOF QB & tell him what to do at the end of games....

If the Pats had lost that game.  Bellicheck would have got CRUSHED for that decision.  Sure, the circumstances were a little different.  But the Pats had even better odds of getting a score there.  And points matter, no matter what point of the game it is...

The main difference is, the Pats won & the Broncos lost.  If the Broncos had gone for it & Manning throw that pick that he throws in overtime.  And the Ravens make a GW field goal.  Well the Fox gets crushed for having Manning throw the ball in that weather, w/ what was apparent to almost everyone, was a noodle arm...

The blame for that game, should land squarely on the Broncos defense.  They gave up a 70 yrd TD under a minute left!!!  Are you kidding me?! 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 12:50:11 PM
You gotta at least try. Playing for the tie is playing to get beat in my mind. Manning did look like he was not able to put the ball down field but the defense is going to give you the short intermediate stuff over the middle. 2 completions with some yac and they are close to fg range.

R

Absolutely. Fox will always argue for the odds. OK the odds of scoring a TD in that situation is 98:1....the odds of getting into reasonable FG range is 9:1...the odds of making that FG is 9:7.... the odds of scoring a TD if you take a knee....89,000:1.

The Talking Heads have already run the numbers and cant understand why Fox didn't play the odds. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:53:37 PM
I'm not saying i agree w/ the decision.  I'm saying that i don't believe Fox made that decision.  I believe it was Manning.  He made the final call.  Theres no F-ING WAY, John Fox told one of the greatest QB's of all time, "Peyton, i don't care if you think you can do it.  I want you to take a knee". 

NO WAY!  Fox might not be the greatest coach in the world.  But he's an NFL coach, so he's one of the best out there.  You'd have to be a complete idiot to tell your HOF QB, that he HAS to take a Knee, if he believes he can win the game.  This was Manning's final decision.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 14, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
I can't see Manning overriding the header on whether to take a knee. If he has that capability the header needs to be fired for that alone. I can see Manning covering for his header even if he completely disagreed with him. He is not a throw you under the bus kinda guy. Those are easy throws in that situation.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:56:29 PM
R

Absolutely. Fox will always argue for the odds. OK the odds of scoring a TD in that situation is 98:1....the odds of getting into reasonable FG range is 9:1...the odds of making that FG is 9:7.... the odds of scoring a TD if you take a knee....89,000:1.

The Talking Heads have already run the numbers and cant understand why Fox didn't play the odds.

Mahonz, you really believe that Fox told his HOF QB he had to take a knee?  You don't think Manning had the final call there?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 14, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
What kind of header is Fox if he does not have final call. I'll tell you, a soon to be excoach.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 12:59:14 PM
I can't see Manning overriding the header on whether to take a knee. If he has that capability the header needs to be fired for that alone. I can see Manning covering for his header even if he completely disagreed with him. He is not a throw you under the bus kinda guy. Those are easy throws in that situation.


I 100% disagree.  I've watched Manning & other greats a hundred times, dictate what their gonna do in that situation.  Were talking top 5 greatest QB of all time.  I GUARANTEE you, Manning was asked what he wanted to do...

If MANNING WAS NOT ASKED, THEN THE ENTIRE COACHING STAFF SHOULD BE FIRED!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 14, 2013, 01:00:10 PM
What kind of header is Fox if he does not have final call. I'll tell you, a soon to be excoach.

Manning did that type of stuff in Indy, when Dungy was there.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
Mahonz, you really believe that Fox told his HOF QB he had to take a knee?  You don't think Manning had the final call there?
nope....if manning has that type of power, I would lose all respect for John Fox
Manning did that type of stuff in Indy, when Dungy was there.
nice try.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:01:16 PM
What kind of header is Fox if he does not have final call. I'll tell you, a soon to be excoach.

A very smart one, if he puts his trust in his HOF QB!  Who has the final call on play calls?  Manning does.  Does that make Fox a bad header?  No.  Thats what you do w/ HOF QB's.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 01:02:19 PM

Thats EXACTLY what I thought was the case.  I believe Manning.  Everything h/ saying, confirms what we were seeing.  He was aware of his own ability to push the ball down the field. 
If Manning had said, "Give me the damn ball, i'm going to win the game".  I guarantee you Fox would have let him try.  Fox may have wanted to take a knee, but i believe Manning made the final call on that.  You don't bring in a HOF QB & tell him what to do at the end of games....

If the Pats had lost that game.  Bellicheck would have got CRUSHED for that decision.  Sure, the circumstances were a little different.  But the Pats had even better odds of getting a score there.  And points matter, no matter what point of the game it is...

The main difference is, the Pats won & the Broncos lost.  If the Broncos had gone for it & Manning throw that pick that he throws in overtime.  And the Ravens make a GW field goal.  Well the Fox gets crushed for having Manning throw the ball in that weather, w/ what was apparent to almost everyone, was a noodle arm...

The blame for that game, should land squarely on the Broncos defense.  They gave up a 70 yrd TD under a minute left!!!  Are you kidding me?!

W

Weirdest game I have ever watched I do believe. NFL anyway...plenty of weird stuff at youth.

Denver had 250 yards and 2 TD's off special teams.  :o

The leading receiver yardage wise had 2 catches.  ???

Both teams were heavily penalized at the worst times.  >:(

Both teams ran for over 100 yards and passed for 300 yards but it took 6+ quarters.  :-\

Manning's turnovers accounted for 17 Raven points while Flacco's accounted for 7.  :'(

Best quote from a disgruntled Fan....I slapped my leather sofa so hard it moo'd.  8)

Hey...that' s football.

GO FALCON's !!!...they have never won a Championship so that's my team now. Plus they have the coolest uniforms for all teams left in the playoffs with your 49'rs a close second.

My Conference picks...

Falcons over the 49'rs by 7 because Russell gave them a good look at whats coming.

Pat Ravens pick em because I dont care. Just as long as neither hoists the Lombardi Im happy.



Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:04:16 PM
If you guys believe that Manning said " i want to go for it".  And Fox said, "no, your taking a knee".... Well then you are just flat out wrong.  There is NO WAY IN HELL, that went down. like that.  Manning made that decision. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:05:19 PM
If you guys believe that Manning said " i want to go for it".  And Fox said, "no, your taking a knee".... Well then you are just flat out wrong.  There is NO WAY IN HELL, that went down. like that.  Manning made that decision.
if we were talking basketball i would agree....mj/phil......maybe....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 01:05:41 PM
I'm not saying i agree w/ the decision.  I'm saying that i don't believe Fox made that decision.  I believe it was Manning.  He made the final call.  Theres no F-ING WAY, John Fox told one of the greatest QB's of all time, "Peyton, i don't care if you think you can do it.  I want you to take a knee". 

NO WAY!  Fox might not be the greatest coach in the world.  But he's an NFL coach, so he's one of the best out there.  You'd have to be a complete idiot to tell your HOF QB, that he HAS to take a Knee, if he believes he can win the game.  This was Manning's final decision.

W

Fox has a PC in one hour an Im sure that will come up...so I will report then.

Its the Header that makes those kinds of decisions IMO. That is his job.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 14, 2013, 01:05:52 PM
nice try.

Yup, He sho' did.
So much so, that it cost them the game, and a WTF! look from Edgerrin James.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:08:37 PM
Yup, He sho' did.
So much so, that it cost them the game, and a WTF! look from Edgerrin James.
Oh how I would like to tell the truth...but I might be called racist, rude, mean, or another poster.... ;)
P.S they wont call you that... :o
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
W

Fox has a PC in one hour an Im sure that will come up...so I will report then.

Its the Header that makes those kinds of decisions IMO. That is his job.

I agree, but only when were not talking about BRADY, MANNING, ROGERS, BREES... HOF QB's, you cannot compare them to what you would normally do.  They are different, and i think we can all agree on that. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:12:41 PM
I agree, but only when were not talking about BRADY, MANNING, ROGERS, BREES... HOF QB's, you cannot compare them to what you would normally do.  They are different, and i think we can all agree on that.
No we dont all agree....some would rather have tebow......some being member on this board.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 01:27:06 PM
No we dont all agree....some would rather have tebow......some being member on this board.

TT

Tebow wouldn't have thrown a pick 6...fumbled on an attempted tuck and thrown that pass across his body in 5 degree weather in OT.

Its mathematically impossible when you only attempt 5 passes per game.  8)

What I enjoyed about Manning this season...and I've never been a fan because he was with Indy and beat Denver like a drum for years...is that he is a real stand up guy. The consummate teammate. I never knew this about him before. I figured since he was a superstar that he was also a Dictator. Not the case.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:30:00 PM
TT

Tebow wouldn't have thrown a pick 6...fumbled on an attempted tuck and thrown that pass across his body in 5 degree weather in OT.

Its mathematically impossible when you only attempt 5 passes per game.  8)

What I enjoyed about Manning this season...and I've never been a fan because he was with Indy and beat Denver like a drum for years...is that he is a real stand up guy. The consummate teammate. I never knew this about him before. I figured since he was a superstar that he was also a Dictator. Not the case.
I told you before, telling you again, nothing to do with tebow the man. Nothing, zero, nodda....he just cant play qb.
By no means are you the only one.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
W

Fox has a PC in one hour an Im sure that will come up...so I will report then.

Its the Header that makes those kinds of decisions IMO. That is his job.


I'm sure Fox will fall on the sword.  He's not going to say that his franchise QB made the call...
I believe it's exactly what they said.  A group decision.  Manning agreed w/ it, because of the conditions & his inability to push the ball up field.... However, if Manning had said i want to go for it, i believe Fox would have agreed.  Certainly i'm not saying Manning would refuse to do what Fox asked him to do.  But i do believe, that Fox would have gone w/ whatever Manning believed was best...

If it comes out, that Fox overruled Manning, then i 100% endorse the firing of Fox.  I just don't believe thats what happened.  I believe Manning knew his own limitations.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:32:11 PM

I'm sure Fox will fall on the sword.  He's not going to say that his franchise QB made the call...
I believe it's exactly what they said.  A group decision.  Manning agreed w/ it, because of the conditions & his inability to push the ball up field.... However, if Manning had said i want to go for it, i believe Fox would have agreed.  Certainly i'm not saying Manning wpuld refuse to do what Fox asked him to do.  But i do believe, that Fox would have gone w/ whatever Manning believed was best...

If it comes out, that Fox overruled Manning, then i 100% endorse the firing of Fox.  I just don't believe thats what happened.  I believe Manning knew his own limitations.
if thats the case, then he will be a free agent. would you like to make a friendly wager on that?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 01:36:05 PM

I'm sure Fox will fall on the sword.  He's not going to say that his franchise QB made the call...
I believe it's exactly what they said.  A group decision.  Manning agreed w/ it, because of the conditions & his inability to push the ball up field.... However, if Manning had said i want to go for it, i believe Fox would have agreed.  Certainly i'm not saying Manning wpuld refuse to do what Fox asked him to do.  But i do believe, that Fox would have gone w/ whatever Manning believed was best...

If it comes out, that Fox overruled Manning, then i 100% endorse the firing of Fox.  I just don't believe thats what happened.  I believe Manning knew his own limitations.

W

Could be...but under the scenario at the time if Manning went 5 wide then Reed goes prevent and Denver does not need the long ball...3 15 yard plays with those timeouts to help and they have a shot. Just like Atlanta did.

Prater is a long ball kicker too in the cold. He made a 58 and 54 yard FG vs Chicago last season in the cold and was chompin' to get another shot after his muff earlier.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
A wager on what?

I don't think we'll even know the truth.  I would be willing to bet, that Manning agreed to take a knee...
But really thats not fair to you.  Because neither coach or QB, is going to put blame on the other.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:40:15 PM
Mahonz,

I don't agree w/ the decision.  I would have gone for it.  My point, was i don't think it was all Fox.  I believe that Manning agreed to take a knee.  I cant see Fox overruling Manning....

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:41:23 PM
A wager on what?

I don't think we'll even know the truth.  I would be willing to bet, that Manning agreed to take a knee...
But really thats not fair to you.  Because neither coach or QB, is going to put blame on the other.
If his arm was dead, denver is not going to pick up the option on next year....you keep claiming it was because his arm was dead....nobody else here said that.....Wager on whether manning is back in denver? I mean his arm obviously was dead ::)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Coach E on January 14, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
Kneel the football with two timeouts and 35 seconds and play for overtime with Peyton filippin' Manning?

We in Minnesota feel your pain. Watching the (up to that point) most prolific offense in NFL history take a knee with 30 seconds to go in the 1998 NFC championship game against Atlanta haunts us Viking fans to this day. I was watching at a bar and the place went dead silent when that happened. You could see it in the stands as well. Of all the Viking losses in the playoffs, that one probably hurts the most.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 01:53:42 PM
If his arm was dead, denver is not going to pick up the option on next year....you keep claiming it was because his arm was dead....nobody else here said that.....Wager on whether manning is back in denver? I mean his arm obviously was dead ::)

Coach, a lot of people have said his arm was dead.  His arm wore down.  Which is not a surprise considering he missed a full year.  There are places that track MPH on the football.  Go check it out.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 01:56:06 PM
Coach, a lot of people have said his arm was dead.  His arm wore down.  Which is not a surprise considering he missed a full year.  There are places that track MPH on the football.  Go check it out.
then make the wager...he is no good to anybody if his arm is dead at playoff time... easy win for you.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 14, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
Manning's arm looked fine to me all season. He made some incredible throws. He never has had an overpowering arm. He has always been about placement. In fact his football flutters more than most, but hits the target a remarkable number of times.

With 2 timeouts, 30 seconds, and 40 yards, it didn't have to be a miracle deep pass or anything with his arm tested. You can work the short sidelines in that scenario or mid-range middle.

That was a head coach decision to go for overtime. It really wasn't all that terrible of a decision. Denver had the ball in overtime 2 times with a chance to win. They just didn't execute.

Another key play to me happened in the first half. Denver drops a 3rd down pass on their way into likely FG range. Ended up punting from the opponent side of the 50, up 21-14. They catch that pass, it's likely (not gaurunteed, but likely) they position themselves for a FG. Would be up 24-14 and getting the ball to start the second half. If they score again, games all but over up 31-14, IMO.

Instead, they punt, the Ravens drive for the tying score and it's 21-21 at halftime. Same kind of hail mary type throw to end the first half.

I also love how Joe Flacco is called "great" by some today when he barely completed 50% (18-34) of his passes and at least 2 of those completions were incredible catches (like the TD to end the first half).

Broncos lost because an NFL safety doesn't understand "don't let ANYONE behind you." I knew that on the playground in elementary school.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 02:44:38 PM
NO QUARTERBACK IN THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS, HAD A LOWER PCT OF DEEP THROWS THAN MANNING.
Want a comparison?  Kaepernick was at 38%....
Peyton Manning......4%!

Peyton Mannings YPA was 4 yards!  4!  Not per completion.  Per attempt!  Which was by far the loswest out of all the good QB's in the playoffs.

Still think he had the same arm strength?  Would you like me to go see where he ranked before the injury?  I GUARANTEE you, he wasn't bottom of the league w/ deep throws.  I'd bet he was in the top 10.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 14, 2013, 02:46:35 PM
The focus should be on 3rd and 7! 3rd and 7 Fox takes the ball out of Mannings hands and runs! It is not a stretch to think it was his call to kneel the ball with 31 seconds to go. How much of this conservative play calling have to do with how Tebow performed down the stretch last year?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 02:49:24 PM
The focus should be on 3rd and 7! 3rd and 7 Fox takes the ball out of Mannings hands and runs! It is not a stretch to think it was his call to kneel the ball with 31 seconds to go. How much of this conservative play calling have to do with how Tebow performed down the stretch last year?


Coach, Mahonz said that Manning already said that he checked to a run, out of a pass play.  I don't think he would lie about it.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 02:51:13 PM
Heres a quote on the 3rd & 7.

"Manning took full credit for the run call on 3rd & 7. McCoy called a pass and Manning changed the play at the line of scrimmage. It seems many here are criticizing McCoy's play calling in this scenario when Manning was the person at fault. "
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Watched Fox's press conference.

His decision to run on 3rd and 7 after the 2 minute warning....his decision not to change the coverage after the first quarter and help Bailey....his decision to take a knee after the Ravens tied it up. Said his team was too shocked and needed that 5 minute break to regroup.

Said he will learn from this and be better for it. In 501 games...this one was so far off the norm you just roll with it and gave lots of credit to the Ravens. They were dealing with the same crazy stuff and got it done.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 02:54:51 PM

Coach, Mahonz said that Manning already said that he checked to a run, out of a pass play.  I don't think he would lie about it.

He did....it seems. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
I said Fox would fall on the sword.  That was never a doubt.  I'm more inclined to believe the guy who admitted it, in the heat of the battle, than the guy that had a day to figure it all out....

Fox doesn't even call the plays.  But he called that one?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 14, 2013, 02:58:32 PM
NO QUARTERBACK IN THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS, HAD A LOWER PCT OF DEEP THROWS THAN MANNING.
Want a comparison?  Kaepernick was at 38%....
Peyton Manning......4%!

Peyton Mannings YPA was 4 yards!  4!  Not per completion.  Per attempt!  Which was by far the loswest out of all the good QB's in the playoffs.

Still think he had the same arm strength?  Would you like me to go see where he ranked before the injury?  I GUARANTEE you, he wasn't bottom of the league w/ deep throws.  I'd bet he was in the top 10.


I don't know, this article (along with my eyes) seem to disagree with you.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113759/article/peyton-manning-is-the-same-as-ever-numbers-show
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 02:58:48 PM
We in Minnesota feel your pain. Watching the (up to that point) most prolific offense in NFL history take a knee with 30 seconds to go in the 1998 NFC championship game against Atlanta haunts us Viking fans to this day. I was watching at a bar and the place went dead silent when that happened. You could see it in the stands as well. Of all the Viking losses in the playoffs, that one probably hurts the most.

K

I remember that well. I was getting ready for the Denver game afterwards and was shocked. Was expecting a Denver  / Minn SB.. Both teams were off the charts good that season.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 14, 2013, 03:00:43 PM

Coach, Mahonz said that Manning already said that he checked to a run, out of a pass play.  I don't think he would lie about it.
Coaches coach and players play! For Manning to check to a run, when the numbers did not dictate, would have been crazy! Qb's are given 2-3 plays to check to provided that the defense gives them the look they want! Manning is no different, he goes overboard with all the verbage and hand signals at the line.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 14, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
Watched Fox's press conference.

His decision to run on 3rd and 7 after the 2 minute warning....his decision not to change the coverage after the first quarter and help Bailey....his decision to take a knee after the Ravens tied it up. Said his team was too shocked and needed that 5 minute break to regroup.

Said he will learn from this and be better for it. In 501 games...this one was so far off the norm you just roll with it and gave lots of credit to the Ravens. They were dealing with the same crazy stuff and got it done.

The decision to run on 3rd and 7 was the right call. You were up with 1:50 with that snap. The Broncos punted with a 1:15 left. If the pass was incomplete, you give them 35 more seconds to work with. That doesn't make sense. You have to stop them with under a minute left from their own 30. It's 60-40 that Manning completes a pass in that scenario. Incompete pass is a gift to the Ravens.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 14, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
I said Fox would fall on the sword.  That was never a doubt.  I'm more inclined to believe the guy who admitted it, in the heat of the battle, than the guy that had a day to figure it all out....

Fox doesn't even call the plays.  But he called that one?
Winged,
You are crazy if you think that in that timeout Fox did not tell McCoy to run the ball! Or Fox announce on the head set after the Ravens score we will take it to overtime.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
The decision to run on 3rd and 7 was the right call. You were up with 1:50 with that snap. The Broncos punted with a 1:15 left. If the pass was incomplete, you give them 35 more seconds to work with. That doesn't make sense. You have to stop them with under a minute left from their own 30. It's 60-40 that Manning completes a pass in that scenario. Incompete pass is a gift to the Ravens.

P

When you look at the percentages...like Fox does.....and how he explained the thinking.

Run and burn clock if nothing else. Give the Ravens the FB with no timeouts and 77 yards to go up by 7 with 1:09 left and you win the game 95% of the time.

Then fast forward a few plays...70 yards to go with :41 left and you win 99% of the time.

Well...they scored leaving you with :31 left and two timeouts and a long ball FG kicker meaning a 30% chance of executing and winning. 30% is better than 0% but he says you know your team and after that score his team needed to regroup.

Yah....BS ! He needed to regroup. Wussy.  >:(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 14, 2013, 03:12:34 PM
P

When you look at the percentages...like Fox does.....and how he explained the thinking.

Run and burn clock if nothing else. Give the Ravens the FB with no timeouts and 77 yards to go up by 7 with 1:09 left and you win the game 95% of the time.

Then fast forward a few plays...70 yards to go with :41 left and you win 99% of the time.

Well...they scored leaving you with :31 left and two timeouts and a long ball FG kicker meaning a 30% chance of executing and winning. 30% is better than 0% but he says you know your team and after that score his team needed to regroup.

Yah....BS ! He needed to regroup. Wussy.  >:(
Mahonz I am with you on that! He was shellshocked and needed to think it over.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 14, 2013, 03:12:55 PM
P

When you look at the percentages...like Fox does.....and how he explained the thinking.

Run and burn clock if nothing else. Give the Ravens the FB with no timeouts and 77 yards to go up by 7 with 1:09 left and you win the game 95% of the time.

Then fast forward a few plays...70 yards to go with :41 left and you win 99% of the time.

Well...they scored leaving you with :31 left and two timeouts and a long ball FG kicker meaning a 30% chance of executing and winning. 30% is better than 0% but he says you know your team and after that score his team needed to regroup.

Yah....BS ! He needed to regroup. Wussy.  >:(

I agree about kneeling it down. I am never usually a fan of ending the game in a tie without trying.

I was particularly bummed as we were going to come out to the AFC Championship game if was in Denver (like it should be).
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 03:15:12 PM
The focus should be on 3rd and 7! 3rd and 7 Fox takes the ball out of Mannings hands and runs! It is not a stretch to think it was his call to kneel the ball with 31 seconds to go. How much of this conservative play calling have to do with how Tebow performed down the stretch last year?

M

Lots of talk about that last off season....what does a coach like Fox do with a player like Manning? Tebow played into his style perfectly. 

Well....why do you think Denver started our 2-3 and then rolled off 11 wins in a row. Fox finally got out of McCoy's and Manning's way that why. 

Then when the chips were down Fox couldn't handle the frozen pee dribbling down his leg.  :P
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 14, 2013, 03:58:59 PM
M

Lots of talk about that last off season....what does a coach like Fox do with a player like Manning? Tebow played into his style perfectly. 

Well....why do you think Denver started our 2-3 and then rolled off 11 wins in a row. Fox finally got out of McCoy's and Manning's way that why. 

Then when the chips were down Fox couldn't handle the frozen pee dribbling down his leg.  :P
Mahonz,
I am glad you asked that lets look at their schedule.

2012 Regular Season Schedule

1 Sun, Sep 9 vs Pittsburgh W 31-19
 
2 Mon, Sep 17 @ Atlanta L 27-21
 
3 Sun, Sep 23 vs Houston L 31-25
 
4 Sun, Sep 30 vs Oakland W 37-6
 
5 Sun, Oct 7 @ New England L 31-21
 
6 Mon, Oct 15 @ San Diego W 35-2
 
7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 vs New Orleans W 34-14
 
9 Sun, Nov 4 @ Cincinnati W 31-23

10 Sun, Nov 11 @ Carolina W 36-14

11 Sun, Nov 18 vs San Diego W 30-23
 
12 Sun, Nov 25 @ Kansas City W 17-9
 
13 Sun, Dec 2 vs Tampa Bay W 31-23
 
14 Thu, Dec 6 Oakland W 26-13
 
15 Sun, Dec 16 @ Baltimore W 34-17
 
16 Sun, Dec 23 vs Cleveland W 34-12
 
17 Sun, Dec 30 vs Kansas City W 38-3


During their 11 win streak they only beat two playoff teams (Cincinatti and Baltimore), the AFC West 5-0, NFC South 3-0, and the AFC North 3-0. The defenses of these teams were in the bottom twenty in the league! By far the easiet schedule in the NFL. Of the 4 remaining teams the Broncoes lost to 3!
 

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 04:16:03 PM
Mahonz,
I am glad you asked that lets look at their schedule.

2012 Regular Season Schedule

1 Sun, Sep 9 vs Pittsburgh W 31-19
 
2 Mon, Sep 17 @ Atlanta L 27-21
 
3 Sun, Sep 23 vs Houston L 31-25
 
4 Sun, Sep 30 vs Oakland W 37-6
 
5 Sun, Oct 7 @ New England L 31-21
 
6 Mon, Oct 15 @ San Diego W 35-2
 
7 BYE WEEK

8 Sun, Oct 28 vs New Orleans W 34-14
 
9 Sun, Nov 4 @ Cincinnati W 31-23

10 Sun, Nov 11 @ Carolina W 36-14

11 Sun, Nov 18 vs San Diego W 30-23
 
12 Sun, Nov 25 @ Kansas City W 17-9
 
13 Sun, Dec 2 vs Tampa Bay W 31-23
 
14 Thu, Dec 6 Oakland W 26-13
 
15 Sun, Dec 16 @ Baltimore W 34-17
 
16 Sun, Dec 23 vs Cleveland W 34-12
 
17 Sun, Dec 30 vs Kansas City W 38-3


During their 11 win streak they only beat two playoff teams (Cincinatti and Baltimore), the AFC West 5-0, NFC South 3-0, and the AFC North 3-0. The defenses of these teams were in the bottom twenty in the league! By far the easiet schedule in the NFL. Of the 4 remaining teams the Broncoes lost to 3!

M

Only the Division Games has actual meaning every year IMO and the AFC West was indeed awful. I think the pundits were picking the Chiefs to win the Division.

Prior to the season everyone was saying Denver was playing the second hardest Schedule. Well…how did that work out? On any given Sunday sports fans. I mean really...NE lost to AZ. WTF was that all about? Tampa was on a terror and disappeared.  The Lions were finally ready for prime time. Just another day in the NFL and why Im a huge fan. Plus things can change in a big way each year for many teams so actual Strength of Schedule doesn't fly or apply in my World...this aint the BCS.

The Chiefs could win the SB next year. Seriously... they could.  8) 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:04:42 PM
Stop kidding yourselves, we all know Peyton calls the plays. Its his Indy offense
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:14:14 PM
Much easier to persecute the coach than the player...

Manning admitted to changing the play, and were still going to try & blame the guy that doesn't even call the plays.  I just don't think thats fair to Coach Fox....

To me, it just seems that maybe you didn't watch a lot of INDY, while he was there.  That was all Manning all the time.  He had the final say and called the majority of all the plays... Back then, we applauded him for his genius play calling.  Now we call his coach & idiot when all this was on Manning.  Except the 70 yard TD that the defense gave up.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
Much easier to persecute the coach than the player...

Manning admitted to changing the play, and were still going to try & blame the guy that doesn't even call the plays.  I just don't think thats fair to Coach Fox....

To me, it just seems that maybe you didn't watch a lot of INDY, while he was there.  That was all Manning all the time.  He had the final say and called the majority of all the plays... Back then, we applauded him for his genius play calling.  Now we call his coach & idiot when all this was on Manning.  Except the 70 yard TD that the defense gave up.
what about the wager? or is it now because of something else?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:26:22 PM
Tebow, Manning is still a great player.  He's one of the most accurate throwers.  He checks into the right play most of the time.  And he changes the culture of the entire team ...

I would be willing to bet you money that his arm strength diminished throughout the season.  I'm not gonna bet that their going to change release Manning who led them to 13-3. 

His arm tired.  It's not uncommon.  It's why they only allow pitchers a certain amount of innings after tommy john, the first year back.  Your arm doesn't have the same stamina after that much time off...

To argue that Manning was throwing yesterday, the way he was in week 7, is just ridiculous.  You had to be blind to not see, he COULD NOT, push the ball down field.  The throw to Stokely is the perfect example!  7-9 yard out & he could only get it to his feet!

The throw back across his body looked like it was hovering on a balloon.  What game were you watching? 

His down field stats were the WORST OF ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS!  Come on.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:31:44 PM
Tebow, Manning is still a great player.  He's one of the most accurate throwers.  He checks into the right play most of the time.  And he changes the culture of the entire team ...

I would be willing to bet you money that his arm strength diminished throughout the season.  I'm not gonna bet that their going to change release Manning who led them to 13-3. 

His arm tired.  It's not uncommon.  It's why they only allow pitchers a certain amount of innings after tommy john, the first year back.  Your arm doesn't have the same stamina after that much time off...

To argue that Manning was throwing yesterday, the way he was in week 7, is just ridiculous.  You had to be blind to not see, he COULD NOT, push the ball down field.  The throw to Stokely is the perfect example!  7-9 yard out & he could only get it to his feet!

The throw back across his body looked like it was hovering on a balloon.  What game were you watching? 

His down field stats were the WORST OF ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS!  Come on.
this isnt baseball, and again, he should be out of a job if that is the case because he is a detriment.....Its an easy wager if you believe that. The denver could broncos you use that cap for another 3 or 4 player than a qb who cant throw the football down the field......EASILY
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 06:34:51 PM
Tebow, Manning is still a great player.  He's one of the most accurate throwers.  He checks into the right play most of the time.  And he changes the culture of the entire team ...

I would be willing to bet you money that his arm strength diminished throughout the season.  I'm not gonna bet that their going to change release Manning who led them to 13-3. 

His arm tired.  It's not uncommon.  It's why they only allow pitchers a certain amount of innings after tommy john, the first year back.  Your arm doesn't have the same stamina after that much time off...

To argue that Manning was throwing yesterday, the way he was in week 7, is just ridiculous.  You had to be blind to not see, he COULD NOT, push the ball down field.  The throw to Stokely is the perfect example!  7-9 yard out & he could only get it to his feet!

The throw back across his body looked like it was hovering on a balloon.  What game were you watching? 

His down field stats were the WORST OF ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS!  Come on.

W

Manning admitted all season he wasn't his old self as far as arm strength...and adjusted his game accordingly.

I think that pick in OT sealed it in his own mind....whooops...cant do much of that anymore either !

He came to Denver on a 3 year plan and exceeded everyone's expectations year one. Im thankful...and so is he. He turned chicken shit into chicken salad and the future is bright.  ;D

GO FALCON's !....expose the K-man !
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:35:38 PM
Manning served his purpose. Now Denver can move on.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:36:25 PM
Since were just talking playoffs.  I'll go back through Manning's playoff deep throws...

This year.  DEEP % 4%.  By comparison, Kap was 38%. 
Yards per Attempt.  4.0

2007
DEEP % 18%
YPA 6.5 (highest of ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS)

2008
DEEP % 26.2
YPA 7.1 (2nd highest of any QB in the playoffs)

2009

DEEP % 18

YPA 6.1 (Third highest)

Do i need to keep going?  Manning's balls WERE NOTHING LIKE HE HAD SHOWN IN THE PAST.  He was one of the best deep ball throwers.  In this playoff, HE WAS THE WORST QB IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Pretty cut & dry.


Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 06:36:56 PM
Manning served his purpose. Now Denver can move on.

G

Yes...he did.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:38:55 PM
He gave Elway an out, now the Broncos can draft a QB for them to groom until Payton walks away.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:40:36 PM
Since were just talking playoffs.  I'll go back through Manning's playoff deep throws...

This year.  DEEP % 4%.  By comparison, Kap was 38%. 
Yards per Attempt.  4.0

2007
DEEP % 18%
YPA 6.5 (highest of ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS)

2008
DEEP % 26.2
YPA 7.1 (2nd highest of any QB in the playoffs)

2009

DEEP % 18

YPA 6.1 (Third highest)

Do i need to keep going?  Manning's balls WERE NOTHING LIKE HE HAD SHOWN IN THE PAST.  He was one of the best deep ball throwers.  In this playoff, HE WAS THE WORST QB IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Pretty cut & dry.
its one game. you act like that was accumulated over 10 games. I would say you know more  baseball than football, but that isnt saying anything. Want the wager or no? cut and dry.
He gave Elway an out, now the Broncos can draft a QB for them to groom until Payton walks away.
they already did. tall drink of water from ASU.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
Since were just talking playoffs.  I'll go back through Manning's playoff deep throws...

This year.  DEEP % 4%.  By comparison, Kap was 38%. 
Yards per Attempt.  4.0

2007
DEEP % 18%
YPA 6.5 (highest of ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS)

2008
DEEP % 26.2
YPA 7.1 (2nd highest of any QB in the playoffs)

2009

DEEP % 18

YPA 6.1 (Third highest)

Do i need to keep going?  Manning's balls WERE NOTHING LIKE HE HAD SHOWN IN THE PAST.  He was one of the best deep ball throwers.  In this playoff, HE WAS THE WORST QB IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Pretty cut & dry.

W

What blew me away...and I had never really sat a watched the guy play before unless I had too.

Accuracy with a quick release. The balls he could drop in....amazing. Really amazing.

Its what makes Brady great and Super Joe and Marino the greatest. Accuracy.

J Russell could throw a football while on one knee 60 yards. Didn't help him one bit.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:42:03 PM
I still cant help but laugh thinking Manning took this team to the same distance that Tebow did. Only Manning charged them 5 times more $$

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
W

What blew me away...and I had never really sat a watched the guy play before unless I had too.

Accuracy with a quick release. The balls he could drop in....amazing. Really amazing.

Its what makes Brady great and Super Joe and Marino the greatest. Accuracy.

J Russell could throw a football while on one knee 60 yards. Didn't help him one bit.
arm strength doesnt mean a hill of beans...accuracy and the ability to make decisions quickly....along with an ability to absorb info quickly.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:44:11 PM
Intelligence with anticipation and accuracy

These are the traits of the greats, not throwing the ball 80 yards on a knee
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 06:45:04 PM
He gave Elway an out, now the Broncos can draft a QB for them to groom until Payton walks away.

G

You know this Oswheler ( sp?) kid is going to be something..apparently. He has the tools physically and is getting schooled like no other player in the league right now....he sits in the film room with Manning and Elway and is a sponge.

After two more years the kid gets his chance. His teammates have already said he is the real deal...and he is 6 foot 8.  :o
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:45:49 PM
W

What blew me away...and I had never really sat a watched the guy play before unless I had too.

Accuracy with a quick release. The balls he could drop in....amazing. Really amazing.

Its what makes Brady great and Super Joe and Marino the greatest. Accuracy.

J Russell could throw a football while on one knee 60 yards. Didn't help him one bit.


Exactly Mike.  He's still incredibly valuable.  And i believe he'll do better next year, when he's able to build up his arm strength...

He just didn't have it in the playoffs.  The stats don't lie.  And certainly the weather was an issue...

But THIS IS WHY, they took a knee.  This is why Manning did not fight to try & drive down the field w/ 31 seconds.  He knew he didn't have the throws that he needed, in him.  Especially on an obvious passing situation.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:46:25 PM
G

You know this Oswheler ( sp?) kid is going to be something..apparently. He has the tools physically and is getting schooled like no other player in the league right now....he sits in the film room with Manning and Elway and is a sponge.

After two more years the kid gets his chance. His teammates have already said he is the real deal...and he is 6 foot 8.  :o
I didnt think he was good at asu.....but whatever....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 06:50:10 PM
If he works out then great, but with Denver going back to their OCs offense once Manning leaves will set him back imho.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:53:46 PM
He reminds me of that QB the Raiders used to have.  I think he was from ASU.  Big & tall.  Big arm.  But he sucked...

Cant remember his name.

Ha.  Google.  Andrew Walter.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 06:54:22 PM
He reminds me of that QB the Raiders used to have.  I think he was from ASU.  Big & tall.  Big arm.  But he sucked...

Cant remember his name.

Ha.  Google.  Andrew Walter.
you mean jamarcus russell?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on January 14, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
Russell played for LSU.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 06:59:08 PM
No, i put it at the bottom of the thread.  Andrew Walter.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on January 14, 2013, 06:59:37 PM
Andrew Walter is correct.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 07:01:38 PM
I didnt think he was good at asu.....but whatever....

TT

He wasn't...but never got the classroom coaching. He is a physical specimen that just needs the tutelage...apparently. Plenty of those types have come and gone though. Does he have that it factor? Time will tell. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 07:04:25 PM
TT

He wasn't...but never got the classroom coaching. He is a physical specimen that just needs the tutelage...apparently. Plenty of those types have come and gone though. Does he have that it factor? Time will tell.
noel mazzone is one of the "gurus" of the spread....dennis erickson was running the spread long before it became everybodys offense. either you produce or you dont........Can you tell me josh freemans Hc? here is a hint: its not the current: He didnt produce either in college.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 07:04:44 PM
He reminds me of that QB the Raiders used to have.  I think he was from ASU.  Big & tall.  Big arm.  But he sucked...

Cant remember his name.

Ha.  Google.  Andrew Walter.

W

J Russell...he got paid $40K per pass attempt.  ???
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 07:05:02 PM
Andrew Walter is correct.

Similar in almost every respect.  Big, tall, went to ASU, didn't play that well in college.  Hype surrounding them mostly because of their size & arm strength. 

Meanwhile, Russel the Great has very little hype.  But has that IT FACTOR, that Mahonz is talking about....

QB is a funny position.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 14, 2013, 07:06:11 PM
Manning is no different, he goes overboard with all the verbage and hand signals at the line.

:)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Similar in almost every respect.  Big, tall, went to ASU, didn't play that well in college.  Hype surrounding them mostly because of their size & arm strength. 

Meanwhile, Russel the Great has very little hype.  But has that IT FACTOR, that Mahonz is talking about....

QB is a funny position.
based on what? OMG!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 07:06:38 PM
W

J Russell...he got paid $40K per pass attempt.  ???

Pretty crazy.  I think if he's drafted by the Patriots, he has a nice career.  Sometimes it's all about the situation you get drafted into.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
based on what? OMG!

Do you even read the posts?  Or just one line?  I just told you what i based it on...

You don't run the DC46 do you?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 14, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
noel mazzone is one of the "gurus" of the spread....dennis erickson was running the spread long before it became everybodys offense. either you produce or you dont........Can you tell me josh freemans Hc? here is a hint: its not the current: He didnt produce either in college.

TT

Erickson was Oswheilers coach at ASU for one season but he was the backup so didnt have the opportunity to learn anything from him. The only year he started as a JR in 2011...he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and made plays. Probably why Elway loves the kids...reminds him of his own career.

I have no idea who Freemans coach was...dont even know here he played college ball?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 14, 2013, 07:11:26 PM
Pretty crazy.  I think if he's drafted by the Patriots, he has a nice career.  Sometimes it's all about the situation you get drafted into.

This!!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 07:11:58 PM
Do you even read the posts?  Or just one line?  I just told you what i based it on...

You don't run the DC46 do you?
nope...i dont run the defense....should though...
russell, walter, none of them ever had the it factor...ala the OMG!
TT

Erickson was Oswheilers coach at ASU for one season but he was the backup so didnt have the opportunity to learn anything from him. The only year he started as a JR in 2011...he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off and made plays. Probably why Elway loves the kids...reminds him of his own career.

I have no idea who Freemans coach was...dont even know here he played college ball?
::) at some point I need to stop being hard headed and grow a set.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 14, 2013, 07:14:47 PM
nope...i dont run the defense....should though...
russell, walter, none of them ever had the it factor...ala the OMG! ::)

I was comparing Walter & the kid from Denver....

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 14, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
I was comparing Walter & the kid from Denver....
like I said...none of them ever had it.....They all sucked...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 14, 2013, 07:19:42 PM
Pretty crazy.  I think if he's drafted by the Patriots, he has a nice career.  Sometimes it's all about the situation you get drafted into.

It wouldn't have mattered who drafted Russell, He would've still eaten, and lazy rivered His way out of the league.
It got to the point where you couldn't tell the difference between Him and His O-Linemen.
But I'll give Him this, He did have some crazy arm strength, you can get away with just an arm in CFB, if you were surrounded with the type of talent that He had at LSU...no redeeming qualities required.
 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 15, 2013, 10:05:27 AM
Since were just talking playoffs.  I'll go back through Manning's playoff deep throws...

This year.  DEEP % 4%.  By comparison, Kap was 38%. 
Yards per Attempt.  4.0

2007
DEEP % 18%
YPA 6.5 (highest of ANY QB IN THE PLAYOFFS)

2008
DEEP % 26.2
YPA 7.1 (2nd highest of any QB in the playoffs)

2009

DEEP % 18

YPA 6.1 (Third highest)

Do i need to keep going?  Manning's balls WERE NOTHING LIKE HE HAD SHOWN IN THE PAST.  He was one of the best deep ball throwers.  In this playoff, HE WAS THE WORST QB IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Pretty cut & dry.

He played in one playoff game. So he didn't throw deep in one game? You realize that the Ravens have the best ballhawking safety to ever play in the NFL right? You also realize that it was 6 degrees and Manning was used to playing in a dome.

He had a week off prior to this game. He had shown good arm strength all year, but suddenly he was tired or just lost the strength? That doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 12:48:38 PM
He played in one playoff game. So he didn't throw deep in one game? You realize that the Ravens have the best ballhawking safety to ever play in the NFL right? You also realize that it was 6 degrees and Manning was used to playing in a dome.

He had a week off prior to this game. He had shown good arm strength all year, but suddenly he was tired or just lost the strength? That doesn't make sense.


Coach, i only used playoff stats, because that was the discussion...

The REG. season stats tell the exact same story.  Would you like me to list them?

And i did point to the weather factor.  None of this was a knock on Manning.  It was an illustration of why they decided to take a knee.  Mixed w/ the weather & Manning's diminished arm strength, he would not have been able to make the throws needed to get it done.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 15, 2013, 01:08:45 PM

Coach, i only used playoff stats, because that was the discussion...

The REG. season stats tell the exact same story.  Would you like me to list them?

And i did point to the weather factor.  None of this was a knock on Manning.  It was an illustration of why they decided to take a knee.  Mixed w/ the weather & Manning's diminished arm strength, he would not have been able to make the throws needed to get it done.

W

The running joke pre game was the cold thin air would make Flacco more accurate. I think it worked.  8)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 15, 2013, 01:12:48 PM

Coach, i only used playoff stats, because that was the discussion...

The REG. season stats tell the exact same story.  Would you like me to list them?

And i did point to the weather factor.  None of this was a knock on Manning.  It was an illustration of why they decided to take a knee.  Mixed w/ the weather & Manning's diminished arm strength, he would not have been able to make the throws needed to get it done.

It is your contention that Manning couldn't have thrown the ball 15-20 yards down field? He had two timeouts left. Could have used the middle of the field. The article I posted showed where he threw the ball at least 40 yards down field in the air on more than one occasion. He doesn't have Flacco's arm strength,but it wasn't like he was limited to 5 yard passes either.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 15, 2013, 01:22:47 PM
It is your contention that Manning couldn't have thrown the ball 15-20 yards down field? He had two timeouts left. Could have used the middle of the field. The article I posted showed where he threw the ball at least 40 yards down field in the air on more than one occasion. He doesn't have Flacco's arm strength,but it wasn't like he was limited to 5 yard passes either.
I offered a wager that winged wouldnt touch.....that is all you need to know about what winged spewed.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 01:24:19 PM
It is your contention that Manning couldn't have thrown the ball 15-20 yards down field? He had two timeouts left. Could have used the middle of the field. The article I posted showed where he threw the ball at least 40 yards down field in the air on more than one occasion. He doesn't have Flacco's arm strength,but it wasn't like he was limited to 5 yard passes either.

Coach, I can throw the ball 40 yards down field.  Heck, i had a 2 kids this year that could throw 40 yards @ 13 YO...

But theres a big difference from being able to GET IT THERE.  And driving the ball there.  I don't believe manning had the ability to in those conditions & his arm in that state.  Coach, did you see the out rout to Stokely? 

Ed reed is one thing.  But Manning was the worst QB in the ENTIRE PLAYOFFS @ the deep ball.  That includes Andy Dalton!  Coach, Manning averaged 4 YPA! 

So what i'm saying, is that sure, he COULD have thrown the ball, 15/20 yards.  But not w/ the zip he needed in an obvious passing situation, and to your point, against the likes of the great Ed Reed.
If Manning thought he could do it, he would have DEMANDED a chance to drive his team downfield.  IMO.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 01:26:27 PM
I offered a wager that winged wouldnt touch.....that is all you need to know about what winged spewed.

TT,

You offered the dumbest wager possible.  Oh ya, i'll bet that their going to cut the guy that changed the culture of their entire team!  Lol.  Come on...

I offered to bet you that his ball velocity had decreased, & you chose to ignore that proposal. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: jrk5150 on January 15, 2013, 01:59:21 PM
Word that I'm hearing the talking heads spout around here is that his right arm was numb, he couldn't throw the ball. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 02:12:05 PM
Word that I'm hearing the talking heads spout around here is that his right arm was numb, he couldn't throw the ball.

All the experts are saying what i'm saying.  But what do they know?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 15, 2013, 02:19:11 PM
All the experts are saying what i'm saying.  But what do they know?
all the experts? who are these experts? the same ones who said his career was over? Those "experts" know as much as you....nothing.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 02:22:03 PM
all the experts? who are these experts? the same ones who said his career was over? Those "experts" know as much as you....nothing.


TT,

You've reached BOOMHOWER stage for me.  I can kind of make out what your saying.  But it's never anything worth while, so i no longer care.

You might be the greatest coach in the world, but noone will ever know, because all you do is talk out your neck. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Patriot on January 15, 2013, 05:22:18 PM
Coach, I can throw the ball 40 yards down field.  Heck, i had a 2 kids this year that could throw 40 yards @ 13 YO...

But theres a big difference from being able to GET IT THERE.  And driving the ball there.  I don't believe manning had the ability to in those conditions & his arm in that state.  Coach, did you see the out rout to Stokely? 

Ed reed is one thing.  But Manning was the worst QB in the ENTIRE PLAYOFFS @ the deep ball.  That includes Andy Dalton!  Coach, Manning averaged 4 YPA! 

So what i'm saying, is that sure, he COULD have thrown the ball, 15/20 yards.  But not w/ the zip he needed in an obvious passing situation, and to your point, against the likes of the great Ed Reed.
If Manning thought he could do it, he would have DEMANDED a chance to drive his team downfield.  IMO.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000126494/article/was-peyton-mannings-arm-strength-a-problem

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 05:57:57 PM
Sounds familiar.   But like most writers, he backed up non of his opinion w/ any actual stats.  So while his eyes told him the same story mine did, he hust refuse to dig and see if there data to back that up...

The line where he says, theres just no way to know if it was his arm strength, is just plain lazy.  It's called research!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 15, 2013, 06:04:31 PM
Sounds familiar.   But like most writers, he backed up non of his opinion w/ any actual stats.  So while his eyes told him the same story mine did, he hust refuse to dig and see if there data to back that up...

The line where he says, theres just no way to know if it was his arm strength, is just plain lazy.  It's called research!
something you have never done, havent a clue how to do....That is based on the slimy greasy poster I am responding to.oh you understand perfectly what I said....but I am sure you dont understand that either.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 15, 2013, 06:05:51 PM
A telling quote from the aticle Patriot posted.


Manning's accuracy started to wane late in the first half. He played a very strong first half and a good game overall, but it started to go south late in the second quarter. The first two plays above aren't "arm strength" throws by any means, but they were critical mistakes from Manning. It's impossible to say if the weather or his injury played a factor here, but you don't normally see those mistakes from Manning. His struggles on that drive allowed the Ravens to get the ball back late in the first half, and Joe Flacco capitalized with a touchdown. It a was huge turning point.

"The third play on the reel above wasn't an egregious mistake, but the velocity was lacking on the third-quarter throw. Eric Decker had to wait for the ball, allowing the cornerback to make a play. Timing could have been an issue, a stronger throw gets there in time.

If you believe that Manning's arm strength was a problem, your best argument resides in Denver's play-calling. Manning did not push the ball down the field vertically one time after a try to Demaryius Thomas in the first quarter. NFL.com's play-by-play says Joe Flacco threw 12 "deep" passes in the game; Manning threw two."
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 15, 2013, 06:06:23 PM
Lol Boomhower
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:36:10 PM
Talk that Sh*t now!!!!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 03:39:49 PM
Talk that Sh*t now!!!!


1st quarter?  Lol...  I would expect more out of an experienced coach.  I guess we should all quit after losing the 1st quarter.... Lol.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
experience does not equate to success.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on January 20, 2013, 03:41:54 PM
Dude, are there any bands from Atlanta other than Zach Brown?  That's two weeks in a row.

Maybe they figured they'd lose last week, and didn't arrange for anyone new in time.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:42:20 PM



1st quarter?  Lol...  I would expect more out of an experienced coach.  I guess we should all quit after losing the 1st quarter.... Lol.

2 3 and outs!  You said we couldnt stop CK! He cant read a progression yet!

Rise up!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:43:55 PM
Dude, are there any bands from Atlanta other than Zach Brown?  That's two weeks in a row.

Maybe they figured they'd lose last week, and didn't arrange for anyone new in time.

Its the R&B capital of the world, but since we're playing SF, we went with the Boy Band!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 03:44:52 PM
2 3 and outs!  You said we couldnt stop CK! He cant read a progression yet!

Rise up!

So we should all give up after 2 3 & outs then? 

Come on coach.  You know better.  You better hope your team isn't as exited over 1 quarter as you are...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:46:11 PM
You should give up after 17-0!!!!!


We're not talking about my team.  We're talking about the "Kaperniners" getting their a$$ kicked!!!

RISE UP!!!!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 03:47:02 PM
You should give up after 17-0!!!!!

RISE UP!!!!
didnt we see this before???
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:48:42 PM
didnt we see this before???

What was they end result?  RW is a much better QB that CK too.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
What was they end result?  RW is a much better QB that CK too.
based on?.....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
What was they end result?  RW is a much better QB that CK too.

Yao,

This is gonna hurt really bad if they lose.  Your just too high right now....

I'm not low at all.  Just a momentum and adjustment issue.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
based on?.....

RW got to his 3rd and 4th progression.  Gotta be a smart and goos QB to that.  CK is primary or run.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
RW got to his 3rd and 4th progression.  Gotta be a smart and goos QB to that.  CK is primary or run.
how do you know the progression of the play?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:56:29 PM
W,

As you would be if you were up 17-0 after being underdogs!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 03:56:54 PM
RW got to his 3rd and 4th progression.  Gotta be a smart and goos QB to that.  CK is primary or run.

Lol.  Very objective thought....

Has he had time to make another read?  Lol.  Come on bud...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 03:58:02 PM
Lol.  Very objective thought....

Has he had time to make another read?  Lol.  Come on bud...

1 guy catches 70% of his balls.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
W,

As you would be if you were up 17-0 after being underdogs!

I get exited in the 4th quarter.  I certainly don't talk smack until then.  Learned my lesson the hard way on that...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:01:36 PM
1 guy catches 70% of his balls.

2 different discussions. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:02:33 PM
Adjustments & momentum my friend...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 04:03:25 PM
1 guy catches 70% of his balls.

Dont most #1's?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 20, 2013, 04:03:32 PM
Zone Sweep?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 04:03:58 PM
Remember we're 4.5 pt dogs!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
Quack attack!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
Dont most #1's?

I dont think so.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 20, 2013, 04:17:08 PM
Vernon Davis came to play today.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 04:17:23 PM
Ruh roh
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:20:21 PM
Game is 4 quarters long....

Adjustments & momentum...

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:22:04 PM
3-0?  Lol...

Too bad we don't have a QB like Russel Wilson.  Lol!  The QB that put up a goose egg in the first half.  Then got a bunch pf deep zone yards.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
10-0.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
10-0.

Yup. SF gets the ball to begin the half...

Matt Ryan continues to play PERFECT foorball, Atlanta has a good chance.  If the get ticky tack call one way, then official ignore an OBVIOUS push off on the other... If that continues, could be tuff day.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 04:36:03 PM
Yup. SF gets the ball to begin the half...

Matt Ryan continues to play PERFECT foorball, Atlanta has a good chance.  If the get ticky tack call one way, then official ignore an OBVIOUS push off on the other... If that continues, could be tuff day.

That pistol is a bitch to defend.  Lets see if Nolan can figurr it out.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 04:40:09 PM
perception of the read option is just as good as the actual use....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:44:51 PM
That pistol is a bitch to defend.  Lets see if Nolan can figurr it out.


All comes downt to the pass rush of SF.  Atlanta O-line has bee SUPRUB!  Ryan has had all day to throw.

SF is not a good coverage team.  They rely on runn defense, pass rush, and the fear teams have to go over the middle against them.  If they cant get to near the QB, then Ryan can pick them apart outside the numbers.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 04:50:01 PM
See SF lined up in a Wing T?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 05:05:15 PM
Adjustments and momentum....
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 05:09:22 PM
regardless of what happens, ryan needs to be mentioned with rodgers, brady,manning...I would appreciate not having a score as I am on dvr. thanks.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 05:16:47 PM
Another blatant push off ignored.... What a joke.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachCalande on January 20, 2013, 05:20:50 PM
Another blatant push off ignored.... What a joke.
'

it is pathetic
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 05:27:55 PM
'

it is pathetic

It's one thing if it's a little shoulder bump.  But these guys are FULLY EXTENDING their arms, and the defender is flying backwards....  Just awful officiating....

Ryan has only completed a pass to 3 recievers.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 05:38:44 PM
There goes that "dumb" QB of ours.  Audibleing to the perfect run...  Sure wish we had a good "smart" QB like Russel Wilson.   Lol.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 05:42:26 PM
RW had just as good of a season. Had the D held theyd be playing now
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 20, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
Can someone explain to me how that is a catch when the ground clearly aids in the catch?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Can someone explain to me how that is a catch when the ground clearly aids in the catch?
not conclusive evidence.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 20, 2013, 05:55:44 PM
not conclusive evidence.
Justice Served!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Yankee Charlie on January 20, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
Congrats SF!  Great game!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 20, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
Congrats SF!  Great game!
Not over yet, but how does Atlanta blow a 20-0, and 17-0 lead in back to back weeks.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Talk that Sh*t now!!!!
what was that? ;)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 06:03:42 PM
Congrats SF!  Great game!

Was a great game.....

All about winning quarters.  Atlanta won one.  Niners won 3....

Any different opinions on Kaepernick now?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
Cant stand ATL, but i feel bad for Tony G.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 20, 2013, 06:05:21 PM
I'll tell ya' what, Kaepernick made some DECISIVE throws today, looked real poised on a big stage.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
I'll tell ya' what, Kaepernick made some DECISIVE throws today, looked real poised today.

He checked on almost every play as well.  Called a great game...

I thought he was only a running QB.... 2 caries for 21 yards...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: JB on January 20, 2013, 06:12:56 PM
Mike Smith's body language is pathetic...he always looks like he's ready for them to choke when it gets tight...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: seeindouble on January 20, 2013, 06:15:18 PM
Mike Smith's body language is pathetic...he always looks like he's ready for them to choke when it gets tight...

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
And Ryan had that "deer in the headlights" look towards the end of the game.
Tough loss for ATL.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 06:17:13 PM
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
And Ryan had that "deer in the headlights" look towards the end of the game.
Tough loss for ATL.

I thought it was the "da$m my shoulder hurts" look
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 20, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
Was a great game.....

All about winning quarters.  Atlanta won one.  Niners won 3....

Any different opinions on Kaepernick now?
I said it last week, if kappy plays anything like that, they win the sb hands down.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 20, 2013, 06:22:54 PM
The only time i was ever worried, was when Akers missed the FG & Crabtree fumbled the ball at the goaline.  Those are the kind of things that can really come back & bite you...

But i knew SF was the better team.  Ryan & Jones, put the entire team on their backs (with help from the refs).  But SF was clearly the better team. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 20, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Boldin is just too much for those guys right now.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: jrk5150 on January 20, 2013, 11:59:38 PM
For all the receptions Welker makes, and the beating he takes is unbelievable, he sure does drop some key throws.

3 key moments - Not getting it in for 7 that first FG, Hernandez not going OB on his reception at the end of the half, and Welker dropping that ball on 3rd down, essentially took points off the board with where they were.  All mistakes by the Pats.  Baltimore deserved that W.  Man does that team give the Pats fits.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 21, 2013, 03:06:22 AM
For all the receptions Welker makes, and the beating he takes is unbelievable, he sure does drop some key throws.

3 key moments - Not getting it in for 7 that first FG, Hernandez not going OB on his reception at the end of the half, and Welker dropping that ball on 3rd down, essentially took points off the board with where they were.  All mistakes by the Pats.  Baltimore deserved that W.  Man does that team give the Pats fits.


The leadership & character on that Baltimore team is just amazing.  They govern each other.  So much respect for that squad...

Ronnie Lott used to talk about, how the character of their locker room, self governing, was a huge reason for their success...

How about Pollard?!  Lol.  Patriot killer.  That dude is infamous for beating up the PAT's...
The Pat's don't respond well to physical teams.  Their not the Patriots of the early Beicheck years.  Their a finesse team.  Teams like Baltimore & SF, give them fits. 

Their passing game is predicated on going over the middle w/ dink & dunk throws.  And they've shown time & time again, that they can be intimidated out of going over the middle.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 21, 2013, 03:10:23 AM
Did they give a reason for Gronk bein up in the box w/ the suits?  I couldn't hear the broadcasters...

That was shocking to me.  I don't remember ever seeing that from an injured player.  Why wouldn't he want to be down there w/ his team?  That blew my mind.  You got RG3 coming back out of the locker room w/ his knee blown out, to stand on the sideline.  And you got this cat up in the box w/ the SUITS?!  I cant think of a single excuse that would fly w/ me if i was his teammate...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachmyles on January 21, 2013, 04:19:00 AM
Did they give a reason for Gronk bein up in the box w/ the suits?  I couldn't hear the broadcasters...

That was shocking to me.  I don't remember ever seeing that from an injured player.  Why wouldn't he want to be down there w/ his team?  That blew my mind.  You got RG3 coming back out of the locker room w/ his knee blown out, to stand on the sideline.  And you got this cat up in the box w/ the SUITS?!  I cant think of a single excuse that would fly w/ me if i was his teammate...
I am not 100% on this, but guys on IR, are not permitted to be on the sidelines. Inactive and active 53 are the only players permitted on sidelines.
Really who cares where Gronk was! The only place he was going to help them was in the field.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 21, 2013, 09:49:33 AM
So I wonder if the Harbargh brothers regret hanging out and talking football with one another all these years right about now.  :P

Fun SB story though.

Im thinking that cruzing thru a regular season schedule any more is a bad thing. Seems teams need that adversity to win in the playoffs anymore. Remember Coughlin last season...everyone thought he might get fired during the season and Baltimore losing 4 of the last 5 this year and firing their OC and SF getting absolutely waxed by Seattle late in the season.

NE looked dead. Never expected that from that team.

Happy to see some fresh Teams in the Big Show at least.

And getting back to the read option working at the NFL level...how many hits did Kappy take vs Atl....one? All he was to them was a serious threat and Gore had a field day. It works just fine.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 21, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Also glad to see some new blood in the SB.
Gore and James both did well in the read, CK showed he can beat you with his arm as well. Should be a good game imo
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 21, 2013, 11:26:10 AM
Also glad to see some new blood in the SB.
Gore and James both did well in the read, CK showed he can beat you with his arm as well. Should be a good game imo
this has the potential to be ugly in my mind.....San fran is not NE.......they can and will run on baltimore and make them pay for defending them....and they have the personnel to do both.....I dont believe baltimore can run san fran..... leaving it in the hands of flacco....yikes.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 21, 2013, 11:32:08 AM
San Frans corners are just as scary, Matt Ryan stopped himself, they had no answer for those wrs. I feel Smith can get open and Boldin can outmuscle them. Rice out of backfield is also a good weapon
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 21, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
San Frans corners are just as scary, Matt Ryan stopped himself, they had no answer for those wrs. I feel Smith can get open and Boldin can outmuscle them. Rice out of backfield is also a good weapon
flacco doesnt scare me. neither does baltimore's run game or pass defense.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 21, 2013, 11:34:38 AM
Any D with Ed Reed patroling the center field scares me.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 21, 2013, 11:37:31 AM
Any D with Ed Reed patroling the center field scares me.
me too....but they have san fran is a different animal...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 21, 2013, 11:51:21 AM
San Frans corners are just as scary, Matt Ryan stopped himself, they had no answer for those wrs. I feel Smith can get open and Boldin can outmuscle them. Rice out of backfield is also a good weapon

G

I am impressed with the Ravens OL. Man those guys are just huge and athletic. I think its going to be a very good game. The coaches are certainly familiar with each other.  :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Knights single wing on January 21, 2013, 05:18:07 PM
I believe the Ravens Match up well with Frisco....Ravens should get great looks in practice with Taylor running the scout team offense. This team is on an emotional high right now and Ray will have them prepared to play.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 21, 2013, 05:29:20 PM
I don't think they match up well defensively. 

On offense however, i think they match up fairly well.  The 49er secondary is not real fast.  So that favors Balti.  Boldin is a bad matchup for SF's smaller CB's. 

Should be a great game.  I'm worried about the big bro little bro aspect :). Big bro usually beats little bro...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 31, 2013, 02:45:19 PM
Alrighty then....last game of the ENTIRE football season.  :'(

Im going with SF to win a close game 28-24.

Both teams match up well IMO and played well in the playoffs. The difference will be SF's aggressive DL play vs Baltimore's huge OL .....plus Beyonce will get run thru the ringer again for lip syncing. Lets just hope for a wardrobe malfunction.  :P

Hope everyone has a fun party planned....we have an annual tradition. Breaded Rocky Mountain Oysters with plenty of delicious dippin' sauce. Good stuff.

Anyway...sad times indeed. I will start Jonzn' for some football in about a month.  :(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 31, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
I dont think its going to be close....san fran on a run away train.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 31, 2013, 03:04:36 PM
Alrighty then....last game of the ENTIRE football season.  :'(

Im going with SF to win a close game 28-24.

Both teams match up well IMO and played well in the playoffs. The difference will be SF's aggressive DL play vs Baltimore's huge OL .....plus Beyonce will get run thru the ringer again for lip syncing. Lets just hope for a wardrobe malfunction.  :P

Hope everyone has a fun party planned....we have an annual tradition. Breaded Rocky Mountain Oysters with plenty of delicious dippin' sauce. Good stuff.

Anyway...sad times indeed. I will start Jonzn' for some football in about a month.  :(

Don't worry Mike.  T-Ball starts in a month. :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 31, 2013, 03:06:01 PM
Don't worry Mike.  T-Ball starts in a month. :)
Spring Football starts here. :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 31, 2013, 03:11:11 PM
Don't worry Mike.  T-Ball starts in a month. :)


....and right about the time I thought I was past all that....the next grand kid in line signs up.  :'(
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on January 31, 2013, 03:14:24 PM
I dont think its going to be close....san fran on a run away train.

W

It seems...the Ravens are healthy again...or at least healthier.

We kinda all forgot that this team started out 9-2 before all the injuries hit.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 31, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
W

It seems...the Ravens are healthy again...or at least healthier.

We kinda all forgot that this team started out 9-2 before all the injuries hit.
I am not a flacco fan, I am really not  of how that offense is designed...even though they are more coordinated and difficult to defend now then they ever with cameron as oc. But I am not sure their is a better superbowl for the game of football or the country than this one in terms of style. This is going to be bloody beat you to death with my bare hands war on the line of scrimmage going both ways.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on January 31, 2013, 03:21:59 PM
I'm putting my money on Ravens this time around.  The ravens have something special going into this game and I believe they are going to ride it the trophy presentation.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Dimson on January 31, 2013, 03:23:53 PM
John is going to win. He is the big brother after all.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on January 31, 2013, 03:28:47 PM
John is going to win. He is the big brother after all.
If you combine that with my previous post in this thread, funny and scary stuff. pm me if you want explanation, dims.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 31, 2013, 03:39:55 PM
I'm putting my money on Ravens this time around.  The ravens have something special going into this game and I believe they are going to ride it the trophy presentation.

How much money? :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on January 31, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
How much money? :)

I have to check the spread.  But remember, don't bet with your heart.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 31, 2013, 05:23:46 PM
I have to check the spread.  But remember, don't bet with your heart.

Nope.  You bet w/ your soul... :)

I don't gamble anymore.  But when i did, i never bet on my own team... And no, i'm not Pete Rose :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on January 31, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
The line says Frisco is giving 3 1/2 with the over under at 47 1/2.

Give me Ravans. Final score 20-17
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on January 31, 2013, 06:34:01 PM
I'll take the over for sure.  Niners win 35-27.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: searider86 on January 31, 2013, 06:48:02 PM
I am not a fan of either team, for different reasons.

However, my guess is that the Ravens will prevail; riding the wave of Ray Lewis' retirement.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on January 31, 2013, 09:20:21 PM
Id like for the 9ers win just to see how the landscape of the NFL changes as far as the Pistol/Zone Read offense goes.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachDavidP on February 01, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
Even missing two fg's, Niners win 24-20.  :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on February 01, 2013, 05:33:53 PM
Id like for the 9ers win just to see how the landscape of the NFL changes as far as the Pistol/Zone Read offense goes.
Regardless, I think the d coordinators figure it out in the off-season. I think the Ravens figure out a way to slow it down.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 01, 2013, 05:53:18 PM
Regardless, I think the d coordinators figure it out in the off-season. I think the Rave

I heard Trent Dilfer & Brian Dawkins both say, theres no doubt in their mind that it's here to stay.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 01, 2013, 06:00:55 PM
I think it depends on the QB.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 03, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
SF may be in trouble, this would be the biggest comeback in SB history.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on February 03, 2013, 08:19:21 PM
if this holds up, old faithful remains. :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 03, 2013, 10:49:18 PM
Better team won, good game.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 10:52:18 PM
Better team won, good game.

The better team always wins.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 03, 2013, 10:58:03 PM
I guess theres no rule against DB's getting piggy back rides from recievers.  What a JOKE!  Game on the damn line, DB RAPES CRABTREE!  BS!
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:00:38 PM
I guess theres no rule against DB's getting piggy back rides from recievers.  What a JOKE!  Game on the damn line, DB RAPES CRABTREE!  BS!

If your boy doesn't throw it out of bounds, you might get the call.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
I guess theres no rule against DB's getting piggy back rides from recievers.  What a JOKE!  Game on the damn line, DB RAPES CRABTREE!  BS!

Tell me the story about holding the O-Linemen's legs again, please.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 03, 2013, 11:04:40 PM
I guess theres no rule against DB's getting piggy back rides from recievers.  What a JOKE!  Game on the damn line, DB RAPES CRABTREE!  BS!

Isnt that what happened in the ATL game that got them there? Last play, Bowman rides the WR.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 03, 2013, 11:20:21 PM
Glad to see the hometown Destrehan boy Ed Reed get some bling.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: rozelle25 on February 03, 2013, 11:36:00 PM
I am in anti-Raven land so everyone is up in arms over the contact in the end zone. I wasn't really rooting for anyone but if you put a gun to my head i would have said the 49ers. I think I'm ok with the non call because there is no way he was going to catch that in bounds.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:36:14 PM
THIS is how to end your year:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-510f319b/turbine/ct-spt-0204-super-bowl--20130204/400/400x225
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:37:47 PM
I am in anti-Raven land so everyone is up in arms over the contact in the end zone. I wasn't really rooting for anyone but if you put a gun to my head i would have said the 49ers. I think I'm ok with the non call because there is no way he was going to catch that in bounds.

I'm happier with non-calls in those situations because calls get me annoyed all over again about XXXVI.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 03, 2013, 11:38:27 PM
Catchable doesn't apply to illegal contact/defensive holding.  BS call, especially after the same crappy official, calls Culliver for PI, when Boldin is initiating contact.  If your gonna make calls, MAKE EM ALL DAMN GAME!

That said, SF made their own bed, when the OC played scared in the first half.   As soon as they stopped calling plays like a bunch of .......... they started scoring points. 

Flacco was outstanding (save for 3 hope & prayer balls that could have been pick 6's).  Probably the hardest hitting game i've ever seen! 

Exited for years to come.  Hopefully we sign Greg Jennings, or anyone else that can stretch the field & make plays.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 03, 2013, 11:42:28 PM
Isnt that what happened in the ATL game that got them there? Last play, Bowman rides the WR.

Contact was w/ in 5 yards.  WR was intiating as well.  Much more debatable.  This WAS BLATANT!  If your not goona call that, then don't call that weak ass crap he called kn Culliver.  You call it the same both ways, and i don't complain. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:43:12 PM
Catchable doesn't apply to illegal contact/defensive holding.

No kidding.

And apparently illegal contact/defensive holding doesn't apply to illegal contact/defensive holding, either.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 03, 2013, 11:49:31 PM
No kidding.

And apparently illegal contact/defensive holding doesn't apply to illegal contact/defensive holding, either.

What are you talking about?

Your interpretation of the rule was incorrect.  The ball could have been thrown into the 15th row.  It doesn't matter.  Defensive holding HAS NOTHING TO DO W/ where the ball ends up.  Same w/ illegal contact.   
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 03, 2013, 11:59:03 PM
What are you talking about?

Your interpretation of the rule was incorrect.  The ball could have been thrown into the 15th row.  It doesn't matter.  Defensive holding HAS NOTHING TO DO W/ where the ball ends up.  Same w/ illegal contact.

I'm not interpreting the rule.  I'm talking about what gets the official to throw a flag there.  The chances of getting the official to call a penalty away from the ball in that situation are not good, as may now be apparent.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 12:02:34 AM
I'm not interpreting the rule.  I'm talking about what gets the official to throw a flag there.  The chances of getting the official to call a penalty away from the ball in that situation are not good, as may now be apparent.

I cannot rationally talk about this right now.  Perhaps tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 12:05:47 AM
You needed Terry Porter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpTkYMLzdc

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 04, 2013, 12:08:12 AM
Maybe it was payback for that BS running into the kicker call.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 12:10:54 AM
I'd like to see the 2-point conversion attempt again.  20 was mighty quick getting across the line.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 12:14:21 AM
I cannot rationally talk about this right now.  Perhaps tomorrow.

LOL !
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 12:15:19 AM
I cannot rationally talk about this right now.  Perhaps tomorrow.

It's too easy...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 12:27:14 AM
It's too easy...

LOL...I know whats its like for your team to lose a SB....you have to breath into a brown paper bag for a day or two.  :)
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: coachgs on February 04, 2013, 12:47:42 AM
Great game. Got to give props to both teams. They played hard as heck without having to be dirty. RB's ran hard, defenders hit hard. QB's were on the money once SF got their act together.
 
One of my favorite Super Bowls all time that the GIANTS did not win. And we had to wait to the last play to know who won.
 
With all the side stories, the brothers, HC mid season decisions on both teams with impact in SB. 4th quarter goal line stand. This might be a classic.
 
 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 04, 2013, 12:50:35 AM
Fact is the 9ers played with fire by starting games slow and it finally burned em when it all mattered.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: cpwhite on February 04, 2013, 01:50:41 AM
Corner Back holds, Receiver pushes off...un-catchable pass tips the scale to a 'No Call'.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: G-TigerHC on February 04, 2013, 01:51:42 AM
Corn

I like Korn!  :D
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Pantherlinecoach on February 04, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
Corner Back holds, Receiver pushes off...un-catchable pass tips the scale to a 'No Call'.
If I beat the crap out of a would be mugger then it should all be off, right?? I had no rooting interest last night,  but I felt like that was a bad miss on the part of the officials. Crabtree had to push off to break the hold.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 01:11:53 PM
Corner Back holds, Receiver pushes off...un-catchable pass tips the scale to a 'No Call'.

To be clear.  Illegal contact & defensive holding does not require the ball to be catchable.  ANY REFEREE THATS HAS REFFED PAST THE BOBBLE HEADS, SHOULD NEVER TAKE INTO ACCOUNT CATCHABLE ON HOLDING/ILLEGAL CONTACT.

It was a blown call.  Period.  The guy was blatantly holding him. Not even debatable.  You want to say SF screwed up a bunch of times, and they deserved to lose.  Sure, i'll buy that.  But don't try to excuse a TERRIBLE CALL.  The same damn ref, awarded Baltimore a first down, calling pass interference, when the only contact that was made, was Boldin boxing out Culliver.  Which wound up leading to a CRUCIAL field goal.

You have to call the game the same both ways.  PERIOD.  No excuse should or can be made for those two calls.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
But don't try to excuse a TERRIBLE CALL.

Everything is always excuses and blame with you.

I'm not making excuses, and I'm not placing blame.

I'm telling you why I think it didn't get called, and what I think would have gotten it called.

That's all.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 01:30:28 PM
Everything is always excuses and blame with you.

I'm not making excuses, and I'm not placing blame.

I'm telling you why I think it didn't get called, and what I think would have gotten it called.

That's all.


Well, i was responding to someone elses post...

I hear what your saying.  But i think your wrong.  Any official worth a crap would never take into account catchable on def. holding.  Thats just plain ridiculous.  Thats like an official only calling roughing the passer, if the pass was incomplete.  The two, HAVE NOTHING TO DO W/ EACH OTHER.

SF lost because of some poor decision making.  Including, scared play calling in the first half.  Which has been a trend all playoffs in the first half.

But that doesn't excuse the call.  The call is inexcusable, especially when you couple it w/ the PI he had called just a few minutes earlier.  If your not gonna make that call, then you never make it. 

Harbaugh didn't blame the game on the REF.  But he certainly acknowledged that it was an awful call.  Thats all i'm saying.  The guy messed up big time.  And whille SF made their bed early in the game.  If the official had done his job, SF would have had a new set of downs @ the 2 yard line.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on February 04, 2013, 01:30:55 PM
There is a new Poll going on in this thread regarding the subject of if he was held.  See post #5.

http://www.dumcoach.com/index.php/topic,11805.0.html
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 01:41:08 PM
http://arizonasports.com/40/1577621/Arizona-Cardinals-receiver-Larry-Fitzgerald-chimes-in-on-replacement-refs

The Pro Bowler added that there are times a regular ref may see him push off a defensive back, but not call a penalty because the ball didn't come his way.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 01:43:27 PM
http://arizonasports.com/40/1577621/Arizona-Cardinals-receiver-Larry-Fitzgerald-chimes-in-on-replacement-refs

The Pro Bowler added that there are times a regular ref may see him push off a defensive back, but not call a penalty because the ball didn't come his way.

uh... Whats you point?  That has NOTHING to do w/ defensive holding.  Not a single thing.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 01:44:44 PM
uh... Whats you point?  That has NOTHING to do w/ defensive holding.  Not a single thing.

I'd explain it to you, but I kind of enjoy how bitter you are about this.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 01:48:46 PM
I'd explain it to you, but I kind of enjoy how bitter you are about this.

You'd explain it, but there is not explanation.  You want to bail a guy out for nkt doing his job w/ the game on the line, more power to you...

The FACT is, the defender BLATANTLY held the WR.  Flag should imediately be thrown.  The FACT also is, he called a BS PI, 5 minutes earlier.  Nothing you say changes those two FACTS....

And your damn right i'm bitter.  I wouldn't say crap, if he hadn't just called it 5 min. earlier on a BS call.  At least i wouldn't be as upset about it.  Thats what makes me so mad.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Test Account on February 04, 2013, 01:50:56 PM
You'd explain it, but there is not explanation.  You want to bail a guy out for nkt doing his job w/ the game on the line, more power to you...

The FACT is, the defender BLATANTLY held the WR.  Flag should imediately be thrown.  The FACT also is, he called a BS PI, 5 minutes earlier.  Nothing you say changes those two FACTS....

And your damn right i'm bitter.  I wouldn't say crap, if he hadn't just called it 5 min. earlier on a BS call.  At least i wouldn't be as upset about it.  Thats what makes me so mad.
If we started making every single that should have been made, we would never finish a game. We would never successfully complete 1 play in one game.
Fact of the matter is, if the 49ers had won, the conspiracy theorist would be howling right now.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
You want to bail a guy out

No.  I don't care about that. 

Again, you're always about blame and excuses, whether for you or for someone else.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
No.  I don't care about that. 

Again, you're always about blame and excuses, whether for you or for someone else.

So am i just supposed to ignore a fact?  Or MAKE UP RULES like you are?  I guess thats more productive.  Let me make up a rule, so i can critisize a guy that is frustrated BY FACTS!

Turn it on ESPN, wher another NFL coach, is saying that he is SHOCKED, that they didn't make the call.  Use FACTS to make your argument.  You don't have crap but "you always make excuses".... Which is not a fact.

Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 02:17:07 PM
So am i just supposed to ignore a fact?  Or MAKE UP RULES like you are?  I guess thats more productive.  Let me make up a rule, so i can critisize a guy that is frustrated BY FACTS!

Turn it on ESPN, wher another NFL coach, is saying that he is SHOCKED, that they didn't make the call.  Use FACTS to make your argument.  You don't have crap but "you always make excuses".... Which is not a fact.

Dude....you dont even get that call in the first Quarter let alone at the end of the game. Its the SB. Refs dont / wont change the game. Look at that only PI call in the entire game. Even the culprit was smiling.  :P
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on February 04, 2013, 02:20:31 PM
If the ball was thrown in a different direction, this would be a mute point.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:26:50 PM
Mike, your missing the whole poing.  I settle for that, but NOT when he just called a BS PI, 5 minutes earlier, that led to a baltimore Field goal.  Same official.  Call so bad, that Phill Simms thought they were calling offensive PI.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 02:32:57 PM
Mike, your missing the whole poing.  I settle for that, but NOT when he just called a BS PI, 5 minutes earlier, that led to a baltimore Field goal.  Same official.  Call so bad, that Phill Simms thought they were calling offensive PI.

W

That DB was only saving you all in Niner nation from even more grief. Had Crabtree caught the football he'd been out of bounds.  :'(

POOOOOOR throw. Terrible play all around. Should have used their final TO and come up with a play with options especially when the Ravens D were in complete sell out mode.

Too bad...I was pulling for the comeback win.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on February 04, 2013, 02:39:43 PM
I will tell you about a bad call ...

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« Reply #355 on: January 31, 2013, 03:39:55 PM »
from: CoachJohn: I'm putting my money on Ravens this time around.  The ravens have something special going into this game and I believe they are going to ride it the trophy presentation.


From Winged: How much money?

I should have taken him to the cleaners or at least for his Delaware Wing T: The Order of Football book.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:40:14 PM
The good news is, SF is a reciever away from starting a dynasty.  We trade Smith, and that gives us an additional 8 mil.  SF was also w/ out Kendal Hunter, who is a star.  And w/ out Manningham, who is decent... Moss out, Greg Jennings in.  Hopefully...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
I will tell you about a bad call ...

I should have taken him to the cleaners or at least for his Delaware Wing T: The Order of Football book.

Lol.  I'll never give that up.  See why i don't bet on my own team?  I take losses hard enough as it is...
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 02:42:20 PM
The good news is, SF is a reciever away from starting a dynasty.  We trade Smith, and that gives us an additional 8 mil.  SF was also w/ out Kendal Hunter, who is a star.  And w/ out Manningham, who is decent... Moss out, Greg Jennings in.  Hopefully...

W

Without change they will be good for many seasons to come. Young and talented.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: CoachJohn on February 04, 2013, 02:44:21 PM
Since we are on missed calls, did anyone see the gold medal high dive one of the linemen from Frisco did during the scuffle?  That should have been 15 yards too.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:46:13 PM
This is from an unbiased Boston writer...

Feb 4, 2013 12:32 PM
San Francisco wide receiver Michael Crabtree coudln't reach a pass because he was impeded by Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith, left, while safety Ed Reed shadowed in coverage. (Jeff Haynes / REUTERS)

By Zuri Berry, Boston.com Staff

"I never would have thought we would be talking about a non-call in the Super Bowl again. At least not so soon.

But in a season that began with replacement referees and ended on a 4th and 5 hold -- and yes, it was a hold -- one has to seriously be concerned with the state of officiating.

The San Francisco 49ers fan base was sent into a tailspin after an infraction on Michael Crabtree's possible game-winning touchdown went uncalled. It was one in a series of bad no-calls in Super Bowl XLVII."
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: mahonz on February 04, 2013, 02:49:16 PM
This is from an unbiased Boston writer...

Feb 4, 2013 12:32 PM
San Francisco wide receiver Michael Crabtree coudln't reach a pass because he was impeded by Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith, left, while safety Ed Reed shadowed in coverage. (Jeff Haynes / REUTERS)

By Zuri Berry, Boston.com Staff

"I never would have thought we would be talking about a non-call in the Super Bowl again. At least not so soon.

But in a season that began with replacement referees and ended on a 4th and 5 hold -- and yes, it was a hold -- one has to seriously be concerned with the state of officiating.

The San Francisco 49ers fan base was sent into a tailspin after an infraction on Michael Crabtree's possible game-winning touchdown went uncalled. It was one in a series of bad no-calls in Super Bowl XLVII."

W

Still...Crabtree does not make the catch in bounds. Poor throw.
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 02:55:14 PM
He didn't have much time to throw... The whe deal is just a bummer how it ended.  A great game, could have become historic.

Biggest comeback in history.  But there was still 1:50 left.  If SF get's the 2 point conversion, their up bu 3, so Flacco has a chance to bring them down for the tie, or the win if SF doesn't get the 2 point. 
Could have been the first SB to go into OT.  Just a shame the game had to end on a bad call. 
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: searider86 on February 04, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
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Just a shame the game had to end on a bad call. 
It didn't.  It ended in SF with a shot to win it on a free kick return.   :P
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
Can someone set up one of those fundraising-style thermometers, but with the stages of grief on it, so we can track how Winged is doing?
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: paccoach on February 04, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
This is from an unbiased Boston writer...

Feb 4, 2013 12:32 PM
San Francisco wide receiver Michael Crabtree coudln't reach a pass because he was impeded by Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith, left, while safety Ed Reed shadowed in coverage. (Jeff Haynes / REUTERS)

By Zuri Berry, Boston.com Staff

"I never would have thought we would be talking about a non-call in the Super Bowl again. At least not so soon.

But in a season that began with replacement referees and ended on a 4th and 5 hold -- and yes, it was a hold -- one has to seriously be concerned with the state of officiating.

The San Francisco 49ers fan base was sent into a tailspin after an infraction on Michael Crabtree's possible game-winning touchdown went uncalled. It was one in a series of bad no-calls in Super Bowl XLVII."

You left out how he went on to say that there was a bunch of no calls that went both ways.  He went on to criticize play calling, coaching, and said that SF had nobody to blame but themselves.

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2013/02/bad_no-call_sou.html
Title: Re: The NFL Playoffs Fan Thread
Post by: COACH JC on February 04, 2013, 03:25:38 PM
I had already pointed all that out.