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Post by: chasemac211 on June 09, 2015, 09:59:46 PM
Hello members of dumcoach,

 My name is Chase and I'm a 14 year old kid who aspires to be a college football coach. I know all the basics of football but basics won't cut it as a coach. Does anybody know of any sites or youtube videos where I can learn advanced football strategy, coverages, schemes, etc.


               Thanks!
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Post by: Bruceja on June 09, 2015, 10:29:51 PM
glazierclinics.com is full of stuff but you have to pay (like most football sites). Fishduck.com has a ton of oregons scheme. You need to get gus malzahns book "hurry up no-huddle offense" it is great at explaining the reasons behind offensive playcalling and strategy. Cheap buy from amazon or iBooks. Xandolabs.com has some very detailed in depth studies of everything. Do a ton of googling and when u read about a concept that you don't know much about just google that. And so on. Find a team that fits your style and research their coordinators and learn the history of why they run thàt offense or defense. What other teams run thd same stuff but what do they do different. It is a never ending rabbit hole!
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Post by: chasemac211 on June 09, 2015, 10:42:50 PM
Thanks for the advice it is really appreciated! Best of luck to you and your team for this upcoming season
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Post by: CoachCraig on June 09, 2015, 11:18:07 PM
X&O labs.

There are alot of coaches that know offensive and defensive schemes........but very few that can "teach" them.   

My point is being a great teacher needs to be your most important attribute.
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Post by: PSLCOACHROB on June 10, 2015, 08:25:54 AM
Go to college and become a grad assistant for the coaching staff. That is a few years away for you but is often a fast track to learning and getting to know the right people. For now, read about it as much as you can and see if you can help out a local hs staff if you aren't playing football. See if you can voluteer for a youth program. Learning how to fit and repair equipment will help you get a foot in the door as well.
Also, and this is very important, you only think you know all the basics. I used to think I knew alot and then I learned that I knew nothing. A decade of coaching and I still feel the same way. As you peel back the onion you realize that the layers are endless. One could write a book just on the first 2 steps of an offensive lineman. Literally. That is basic stuff. Go into it with an attitude that you don't know anything about the game. Realize that you can learn something from a youth coach with 1 year of expreience as well as Bill Parcell's or Bill Walsh. Oh, and books by those 2 guys are highly recommended. Be humble but aggressive with your learning approach
As far as a reading list be careful. Jumping into advanced scheme will blow your mind at first. What you consider advanced and what others consider advanced are 2 completely different things. You have years to learn advanced scheme. Most hs coaches don't truly understand advanced scheme. I would stay away from scheme based books for now and stay with books written by coaches about coaching and books about fundamental skills. We could give you a list of books about advanced scheme that would blow your mind(heck, they blow my mind and I have a decent amount of experience and am exposed to very knowledgeable hs coaches on a daily basis) but that won't help you much.
Remeber coaching football is not about scheme. It never has been and it never will be. Coaching fundamental skills at a high level is what makes a good coach. Running a simple pass concept like Smash is worthless if the qb reads, steps, throwing technique, and the wrs reads and route running aren't correct. Then don't forget pass pro or the qb is on his back. Same thing with running a basic power play or inside zone. The fundies have to be right for the play to work.
Learing as much as you can about coaching the oline will do wonders for you. Good oline coaches at every level are hard to find. Plus, you really start to get a quick understanding of the offensive and defensive game from the trenches. Many people have no desire to coach the oline. Once you dive into it the line becomes really interesting.
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Post by: CoachDP on June 10, 2015, 09:22:02 AM
Go to college and become a grad assistant for the coaching staff. That is a few years away for you but is often a fast track to learning and getting to know the right people. For now, read about it as much as you can and see if you can help out a local hs staff if you aren't playing football. See if you can voluteer for a youth program. Learning how to fit and repair equipment will help you get a foot in the door as well.
Also, and this is very important, you only think you know all the basics. I used to think I knew alot and then I learned that I knew nothing. A decade of coaching and I still feel the same way. As you peel back the onion you realize that the layers are endless. One could write a book just on the first 2 steps of an offensive lineman. Literally. That is basic stuff. Go into it with an attitude that you don't know anything about the game. Realize that you can learn something from a youth coach with 1 year of expreience as well as Bill Parcell's or Bill Walsh. Oh, and books by those 2 guys are highly recommended. Be humble but aggressive with your learning approach
As far as a reading list be careful. Jumping into advanced scheme will blow your mind at first. What you consider advanced and what others consider advanced are 2 completely different things. You have years to learn advanced scheme. Most hs coaches don't truly understand advanced scheme. I would stay away from scheme based books for now and stay with books written by coaches about coaching and books about fundamental skills. We could give you a list of books about advanced scheme that would blow your mind(heck, they blow my mind and I have a decent amount of experience and am exposed to very knowledgeable hs coaches on a daily basis) but that won't help you much.
Remeber coaching football is not about scheme. It never has been and it never will be. Coaching fundamental skills at a high level is what makes a good coach. Running a simple pass concept like Smash is worthless if the qb reads, steps, throwing technique, and the wrs reads and route running aren't correct. Then don't forget pass pro or the qb is on his back. Same thing with running a basic power play or inside zone. The fundies have to be right for the play to work.
Learing as much as you can about coaching the oline will do wonders for you. Good oline coaches at every level are hard to find. Plus, you really start to get a quick understanding of the offensive and defensive game from the trenches. Many people have no desire to coach the oline. Once you dive into it the line becomes really interesting.

If I were just starting out, I would re-read this as many times as possible.

--Dave
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: mahonz on June 10, 2015, 09:50:03 AM
Hello members of dumcoach,

 My name is Chase and I'm a 14 year old kid who aspires to be a college football coach. I know all the basics of football but basics won't cut it as a coach. Does anybody know of any sites or youtube videos where I can learn advanced football strategy, coverages, schemes, etc.


               Thanks!

Chase

Will you be playing for your HS? If so tell your coaches what your plans are and become their Gopher until you graduate. That would be an excellent start....along with what the others have suggested although Im not sure what you can do at the youth level since everyone must submit to a background check....and I do believe you must be 18 for that too happen.

Then when you get to College become a General Assistant and hopefully continue to play even if you are the last man on the depth chart. 

Its a huge commitment. Be ready to live a very nomadic life for a while after you graduate from College.

Remember this....its not necessarily what you know....its really does matter who you know. Never let contact info slip past you whether its at a Clinic or on the phone or some AC on a Staff that you meet. Everyone matters so shake a lot of hands! You never know who or where or what or why or how a particular person might become the most important person in your life someday. It really is a small World.
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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on June 10, 2015, 09:53:36 AM
Hello members of dumcoach,

 My name is Chase and I'm a 14 year old kid who aspires to be a college football coach. I know all the basics of football but basics won't cut it as a coach. Does anybody know of any sites or youtube videos where I can learn advanced football strategy, coverages, schemes, etc.


               Thanks!

Are you playing in High School?  I suggest that if you want to coach at least try out for the team.  If you dont make the team at least you can see it from a Player perspective.  Even then if you dont make the team volunteer to tape games, learn the game from the sideline and above.  Be everpresent with the Coaching Staff ask them what you can do to help.  However, it all starts with the words "Hi I'm ....., I'd like to learn how to play and coach football."   Just like players, being a good coach is about time and effort. 
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Post by: patriotsfatboy1 on June 10, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
We take students, 16+, to help our youth programs.  It counts as volunteering and the kids realize that they don't know as much as they thought.

In addition to some huge points mentioned already (it is not schemes, formations, and such - it is technique and fundamentals that are key), I would make sure that you understand one thing that is very applicable to life and not just football.  You don't start at the top, you don't even start in the middle.  You start at the bottom and you learn.  Learn everything that you can and understand all of the details that go into making a team (or program) successful. 

I see lots of kids getting out of college and they can't figure out why they can't get a job.  For many of them, it is that they are expecting to be a manager, VP or some high up position.  It does not work that way.  While your goal might be to be a college coach, you first need to figure out how you get that first unpaid assistant job.

Good luck!
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Post by: CoachOCD on June 10, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Hello members of dumcoach,

 My name is Chase and I'm a 14 year old kid who aspires to be a college football coach. I know all the basics of football but basics won't cut it as a coach. Does anybody know of any sites or youtube videos where I can learn advanced football strategy, coverages, schemes, etc.


               Thanks!

go to local youth league be an asst coach to somebody that knows what they are doing...after you learn basics, go to local HS and asst there  see what they need as far as help...it might be holding a board up for signals or statician. Dont matter get in someway and absorb whats going on around you.....or you could just join the football team your 14 right??
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Post by: chasemac211 on June 10, 2015, 12:00:59 PM
Thanks for the advice everybody. I will try out for the football team at my high school team and if I don't make the team I will relentlessly try to somehow get on the sidelines as a waterboy or anything possible. I feel like to not overwhelm myself I should just kinda start fresh at the beginning of football knowledge and learn as much as I can.
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Post by: Monster on June 10, 2015, 01:27:01 PM
Thanks for the advice everybody. I will try out for the football team at my high school team and if I don't make the team I will relentlessly try to somehow get on the sidelines as a waterboy or anything possible. I feel like to not overwhelm myself I should just kinda start fresh at the beginning of football knowledge and learn as much as I can.

Chase, I noticed that you have a Jaguars helmet as your profile picture. As a Jacksonville fan myself (yes, there are a few of us out here) I'm going to hit you up with some Gus Bradley knowledge that echoes what Coach Rob pointed out above;

STAY

HUMBLE

As a coach, there cannot be any task beneath you and no player that is not worth your time. I have nowhere near the experience level of a lot of coaches on here, but I will tell you that I really do learn something new about football every time I coach. Keep open to that and keep a keen eye on your humility. It will take you a long, long way.
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Post by: CoachOCD on June 10, 2015, 04:31:37 PM
hay kid as a side note you may say what town or area your in and find a coach on this site that's close by and willing to take on a youngster. Dont give any personal info of course, just an area so coaches will know if they are close enough to you.

If you find one here that says "sure come on out" fine... BUT there's a catch! .....kid+adult+internet+meeting can become an issue, you understand, Im sure. 14 Your a minor, you might/you should have mom or dad contact any coach prior to making a meeting here first and go from there...if you were my son Id have to go down to the practice field and meet coach my self, I would not allow my boys to communicate with some random guy on internet then arrange a meeting place...no way! Id want to go down and see the program myself and shake hands personally.
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Post by: chasemac211 on June 10, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
hay kid as a side note you may say what town or area your in and find a coach on this site that's close by and willing to take on a youngster. Dont give any personal info of course, just an area so coaches will know if they are close enough to you.

If you find one here that says "sure come on out" fine... BUT there's a catch! .....kid+adult+internet+meeting can become an issue, you understand, Im sure. 14 Your a minor, you might/you should have mom or dad contact any coach prior to making a meeting here first and go from there...if you were my son Id have to go down to the practice field and meet coach my self, I would not allow my boys to communicate with some random guy on internet then arrange a meeting place...no way! Id want to go down and see the program myself and shake hands personally.

Thanks for the idea coach! I currently live in Jacksonville, FL but next month I am moving to Marietta, GA. so if there is anyone in the Marietta area please let me know!
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Post by: CoachOCD on June 10, 2015, 05:45:46 PM
Thanks for the idea coach! I currently live in Jacksonville, FL but next month I am moving to Marietta, GA. so if there is anyone in the Marietta area please let me know!

Good luck son

OC
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Post by: MHcoach on June 10, 2015, 06:39:59 PM
Chase

Where In Marietta, I have contact with a few HS coaches there?

Joe
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Post by: chasemac211 on June 10, 2015, 07:21:33 PM
Chase

Where In Marietta, I have contact with a few HS coaches there?

Joe

Hey Joe,
              I'm going to be in East Cobb going to Joseph Wheeler high school
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Post by: MHcoach on June 10, 2015, 11:37:31 PM
Chase

Good Luck! I know they have already started practice.

Joe
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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on June 11, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
Tons of things happening North of Atlanta!  Football is King!  I suggest walking into the Off Workouts. Even more I suggest sending an Email to the Header telling him you are moving into the area and asking when Work Outs are!

Get out ahead of yourself!  Proactive!   

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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on June 11, 2015, 12:54:18 AM
Mike Collins
Head Football / Head Boys Golf

Athletic Director:
Chase Stroempl
770-578-3266 x016
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Post by: parone on July 01, 2015, 08:00:02 AM
you really have to play if you want to coach.  the reason being, we all are guilty of thinking what we are asking the kids to do is easy.  it's not easy.  you need to go through that process yourself to appreciate it for the sake of your future players.  also, players can sense if you have no idea what you are talking about.  you really need to play.

that said, you don't have to be great or even good.  I myself was a middling player, and only that good because I wanted to play so badly.  I actually think it helps me in the teaching phases of coaching that I wasn't really gifted.  I NEEDED to be technically correct to win my battles on the football field.  everyone I played was bigger/faster.  my footwork and target points had to be correct, and I had to be able to anticipate plays. 

so play my friend.  even if you just end up being a scout teamer, play.  find ways to compete.  and remember them.

also, becoming a coach is a LONG humbling process.  you will put in a lot of time doing stuff that doesn't directly relate to coaching.  whatever you do, do it well.  that is the way to get noticed(even if you don't think they do).  put in your time. 

I envy you though.  you are young and know what you want.  chase it, kid.  don't stop chasing it.  that's how you get there.
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Post by: PSLCOACHROB on July 01, 2015, 08:33:21 AM
you really have to play if you want to coach.
Hogwash. One of the most successful coaches on here did not play. Todd Haley of the NFL never played. Most coaches played but it is no way a prerequisite. Not playing would put you behind the learning curve but as long as you are willing to put in the time it can be done. Also, look at the pretty high percentage of NFL and college coaches who never played at the level they are coaching or even beyond hs.
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Post by: Michael on July 01, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
You have to play but you don't have to be great.

What a coincidence!
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Post by: CoachOCD on July 01, 2015, 11:46:28 AM
THE LITTLE SLOW UNTALENTED GUY who tried out but got cut, or was just used as a tackling dummy...if this "player" has a passion for the game, love of the sport, for whatever reason, he will learn more about the game up n beyond size speed and strength, he will learn and study those little things like technique, Xs n Os, maybe because he was originally he was trying to find a way of making himself a viable player
But now he has something to bring to a coaching table.

I know a couple of the "little smart kids" I played with went on to coach HC at HS and asst coach at the college level, they were 5th quarter kids
5 4' 125lbs each

those that cant...teach/coach
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Post by: mahonz on July 01, 2015, 12:02:30 PM
I think knowing what the inside of a helmet smells like during the 4th quarter helps...but its not imperative.

I believe Coach Potter never played and I'd be his Assistant Dummy Holder anytime anywhere for any reason.
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Post by: Michael on July 01, 2015, 12:24:57 PM
I think knowing what the inside of a helmet smells like during the 4th quarter helps...

I'm guessing that can be taken care of during the first game you coach.
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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on July 01, 2015, 12:34:09 PM
Hogwash. One of the most successful coaches on here did not play. Todd Haley of the NFL never played. Most coaches played but it is no way a prerequisite. Not playing would put you behind the learning curve but as long as you are willing to put in the time it can be done. Also, look at the pretty high percentage of NFL and college coaches who never played at the level they are coaching or even beyond hs.

While having played certainly helps a bit, I'll take this a step further to say its those former players who struggled the most that make better coaches.  Why?  Because, like the majority of others, they had to bust their arses to be decent players.  Whereas the kids with natural abilities dont think most things are hard.  They tend to bring a "This is easy" attitude to caoching and quickly find that they cant teach it because they cant explain the why or how, they just know they did it.

I agree that playing is not a manditory prerequisite to being a coach.  The ability to teach is right up there and perhaps even more important!! 

:)
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Post by: CoachOCD on July 01, 2015, 12:58:49 PM
While having played certainly helps a bit, I'll take this a step further to say its those former players who struggled the most that make better coaches.  Why?  Because, like the majority of others, they had to bust their arses to be decent players.  Whereas the kids with natural abilities dont think most things are hard.  They tend to bring a "This is easy" attitude to caoching and quickly find that they cant teach it because they cant explain the why or how, they just know they did it.

I agree that playing is not a manditory prerequisite to being a coach.  The ability to teach is right up there and perhaps even more important!! 

:)

samething I said...yours just sounds better / more edumecated
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Post by: CoachDP on July 02, 2015, 04:15:33 PM
you really have to play if you want to coach.

--You do?  I wish someone would have told me that 18 years ago.

the reason being, we all are guilty of thinking what we are asking the kids to do is easy.

--Uh...no.  Not by a long shot.  There's nothing about what my players do that's easy.  As a matter of fact, if anyone makes it harder and more difficult than I do (Jack Gregory excluded), then I want to know who it is, because I'm stealing it.

you need to go through that process yourself to appreciate it for the sake of your future players.

--I don't have to bear crawl backwards for 240 yards to appreciate its difficulty.  I don't have to do Jack's Enduro drill for 30 minutes to appreciate the commitment that a player makes to complete the drill.

also, players can sense if you have no idea what you are talking about.  you really need to play.

--Players know exactly what I'm talking about.  It's probably my best attribute as a coach; the ability to communicate.

--Dave
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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on July 02, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
You do?  Dang it!

--Dave

Thats it Dave, hang up the Whistle!!    :P
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Post by: parone on July 03, 2015, 07:16:20 AM
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

that said, I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.  this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

also, I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.  I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships, and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.  I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.  I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.  but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.
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Post by: CoachDP on July 03, 2015, 10:02:07 AM
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

--You didn't offend.  You simply made a blanket statement that wasn't true.

I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.

--"Easier to coach?"  That's your point?  Or that you're a better coach, if you played the game?  Who cares if it's easier or harder?  What matters is if you do it well...how good you are at what you do.  If I wanted "easy" I'd just go ahead and finish last.

this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

--Absolutely.  No one is saying that he shouldn't.

I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.

--What does it matter if I "know what it's like?"  I can SEE what it's like when/if they struggle against a superior talent.

I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships

--I wondered how long it'd take before you brought out the "when I played."

and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.

--And therefore it must be the "most valuable" way to gain coaching acumen.  ::)

I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.

--Yes, I see that too.  A lot.  And by coaches that have played the game.

I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

--Perhaps you should, since you played and all.  They could benefit from all of your playing expertise against D1 players.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.

--You're sure?  You don't sound it.  lol

but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.

--True enough.  And I'd venture to guess that there are far more bad ones who have been players, simply because most who coach have also played.

--Dave

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Post by: mahonz on July 03, 2015, 11:34:55 AM
apparently struck a nerve here, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

that said, I do stand by the idea that it is easier to coach football if you have actually played the game.  this young man has the opportunity to play and get that experience, he should avail himself to it. 

also, I have to say this:  if you have never played against a guy who is A LOT better than you, you really don't know what it's like.  I played two games against guys that got full boat DI scholarships, and I honestly think it's one of the most valuable experiences of my coaching career.  I see other coaches berating their guys because one of our best players is kicking their ass, even though their kid is trying.  and that's wrong.  I want to say, "coach, he can't block our guy, change his assignment or get him some help' but of course I don't.

i'm sure there are good coaches out there who never played.  but i'm also sure there are plenty of bad ones.  then again, some former players are just awful coaches.

P

I believe really good managers make great coaches. The hardest part about coaching a Team is dealing with all of the different personalities.
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Post by: Michael on July 03, 2015, 11:42:07 AM
P

I believe really good managers make great coaches. The hardest part about coaching a Team is dealing with all of the different personalities.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of guys who are basically the low man at Burger King talking about how you have to have played.  OK, but maybe being in charge of something other than the fries timer once in your life would have helped, too.

(To be clear, I don't know if the fry machine actually has a timer that has to be set.  And if it does have one, I don't know if the fries guy actually sets it or if someone higher up does that.  And if anyone here ever worked at Burger King, can you explain why the shake machine always seems to be out of service?)
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Post by: mahonz on July 03, 2015, 11:48:59 AM
Yeah, I've seen a lot of guys who are basically the low man at Burger King talking about how you have to have played.  OK, but maybe being in charge of something other than the fries timer once in your life would have helped, too.

(To be clear, I don't know if the fry machine actually has a timer that has to be set.  And if it does have one, I don't know if the fries guy actually sets it or if someone higher up does that.  And if anyone here ever worked at Burger King, can you explain why the shake machine always seems to be out of service?)

M

Your BK too?....every time I want a shake with my cheeseburger....sorry its out of service.
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Post by: Michael on July 03, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
M

Your BK too?....every time I want a shake with my cheeseburger....sorry its out of service.

It's ridiculous.  It's like every Burger King.  I stopped going.  I don't go to McDonald's much, but I don't go to Burger King at all.
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Post by: parone on July 03, 2015, 12:47:46 PM
Lol. Wow. I think if u feel the need to respond to every sentence I write, taking each out of context, we can all agree I struck a nerve, ie you seem to have some existing insecurities about not ever playing the game you are teaching. Which is only natural. Which doesn't mean you can't coach.  Heck for all I know, u r Knute Rockne on wheels. I don't know and I don't care. I wasn't writing for you, I was responding to a young man who asked what he could do to further his coaching career.  And I think he ought to play. I think it would help him. 
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Post by: CoachDP on July 03, 2015, 02:29:51 PM
I wasn't writing for you, I was responding to a young man who asked what he could do to further his coaching career.

No, you were writing for (about) yourself.  If you were really interested in what he could do to advance his coaching career, you would have encouraged him to get his education, suggest that he volunteer to work with a collegiate program while pursuing his post-secondary education, attend clinics (local, Glazier, Nike and those offered by whatever local college/universities in his state), print up business cards and make as many contacts at clinics and camps as possible, volunteer to work football camps, learn video-editing, concentrate on a specific area of coaching expertise while still learning the entire game.  Learn the rules (forwards and backwards) specific to his desired level of football.  Learn to deal with parents and administrators and how to best communicate with them.  Learn structure, organization and detail.  Ask coaches what are their five top priorities for consistent success.  Learn to fund-raise.  And understand that simply playing the game doesn't qualify you to teach it.

--Dave
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Post by: CoachOCD on July 03, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
now now boys gooooosfrabaaaaahhhh

BK...yuck! IHOP is never broken
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Post by: parone on July 03, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
I think i'll excuse myself from this thread, as I signed on to try to learn more on coaching and find some ideas that could help the team this year, not play keyboard Komando against a message board bully(does every message board have a guy like that, by the way?)

kid, good luck with your pursuit of coaching.  if you've learned anything from this thread, it's likely that coaching(like any profession) has some real A holes in it-try to avoid them!!
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Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on July 03, 2015, 08:59:22 PM
Apparently another thing to learn is quit when folks disagree with you! 

Really?  Raise your hand if you have never been harshly overridden by anyone!! 

You inferred that a person MUST play to coach the game.  There are a few folks here at DumCoach who never played and are well respected for their coaching ability.  A few responded in such a manner as to correct your thinking and broaden your scope of thinking.
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
 ;)
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: PSLCOACHROB on July 03, 2015, 09:42:32 PM
Apparently another thing to learn is quit when folks disagree with you! 

Really?  Raise your hand if you have never been harshly overridden by anyone!! 

You inferred that a person MUST play to coach the game.  There are a few folks here at DumCoach who never played and are well respected for their coaching ability.  A few responded in such a manner as to correct your thinking and broaden your scope of thinking.
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
 ;)
I think i'll excuse myself from this thread, as I signed on to try to learn more on coaching and find some ideas that could help the team this year, not play keyboard Komando against a message board bully(does every message board have a guy like that, by the way?)

kid, good luck with your pursuit of coaching.  if you've learned anything from this thread, it's likely that coaching(like any profession) has some real A holes in it-try to avoid them!!
No need to excuse yourself. Your pov is actually important. It brings up the reality that a coach need not to have played a sport to coach it. Some people don't understand that and they need to. DP is one of the best coaches on this site and has the creds to prove it. He will also always call out bs if he thinks he sniffs it. Every coach on here has had a preconceived notion about something or another and was wrong. You either learn from being corrected or you don't, your choice.
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: parone on July 04, 2015, 06:30:06 AM
I think I stated twice that I was wrong in that initial assertion.  if not, let me clarify, I WAS WRONG THAT PLAYING IS A NECESSITY.   


But it can be a help, and DP stated that too, so I guess there is a bit of common ground there.

in any case, I think further comment isn't helpful to the OP.
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: parone on July 04, 2015, 07:00:09 AM
   
We dont all sit and sing Kumbaya!  You want to get better?  You want your team to get better?  I suggest ya pull up a chair and read.  Just sayin. 
 ;)


you are absolutely right here.  and I will keep reading. 
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: Dusty Ol Fart on July 04, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Rob:

I was told I was wrong once and discovered ,shortly thereafter, that I was merely mistaken.  Huge difference.  LOL

 8) :P
Title: Re: First Post! Feedback wanted!
Post by: Monster on July 13, 2015, 04:13:47 PM
No need to excuse yourself. Your pov is actually important. It brings up the reality that a coach need not to have played a sport to coach it. Some people don't understand that and they need to. DP is one of the best coaches on this site and has the creds to prove it. He will also always call out bs if he thinks he sniffs it. Every coach on here has had a preconceived notion about something or another and was wrong. You either learn from being corrected or you don't, your choice.

Another point I'd like to add on to Rob's statement is that it points out that if, by the time he becomes a coach, it turns that that he had never played there may be other coaches on his staff whose trust he is going to have to try that much harder to earn.

As a coach who has never played beyond the Little League level, I can state that it's a challenge that I face almost every season.

And why are y'all going to Burger King anyway? Everybody knows the Frostys at Wendy's are better!