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Title: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 20, 2018, 02:22:09 PM
I am an assistant with our 10U team this year. The team is split with 9-10 year olds, 24 kids in total. We are a pretty small team, but I think we can do well. First game is this Sunday at 2. We have had 5 total practices with the full team, do to all late sign ups. Very very behind, but I am not worry. I will focus on the very basics and go from there. So far I have Blast, gap, stretch, cross, and counter with 4 formations. We will be running Cox's power pistol.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on August 20, 2018, 03:30:00 PM
I am an assistant with our 10U team this year. The team is split with 9-10 year olds, 24 kids in total. We are a pretty small team, but I think we can do well. First game is this Sunday at 2. We have had 5 total practices with the full team, do to all late sign ups. Very very behind, but I am not worry. I will focus on the very basics and go from there. So far I have Blast, gap, stretch, cross, and counter with 4 formations. We will be running Cox's power pistol.
You getting video of this? Finding Cox's Power Pistol Game film is nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 20, 2018, 03:58:07 PM
The header is supposed to have someone film the games.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 20, 2018, 10:08:09 PM
We have 5 players the size of 6 year olds. The 6U team came and mirrored us today, coach didn't show, and 5 of our players were there size. I am having a hard time on what to do with them. They do have to get 8 plays, including special teams.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on August 23, 2018, 01:13:16 PM
We have 5 players the size of 6 year olds. The 6U team came and mirrored us today, coach didn't show, and 5 of our players were there size. I am having a hard time on what to do with them. They do have to get 8 plays, including special teams.
DTs or WRs! If they are tough, DTs. If they are wimps, WR!
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 23, 2018, 01:28:43 PM
I was thinking at wing back, when we run stack.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on August 23, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
I was thinking at wing back, when we run stack.
The issue when you do that is you need the offensive plays to get 5 kids in at 8 plays each.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 23, 2018, 01:37:53 PM
True. One of these players is 44lbs. The rest are in the 60 lb range. WR, Wing, maybe backside tight end. Honestly one could play corner, great tackler, but the rest probably won't see time on defense. I could be pleasantly surprised, as the season progresses.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 26, 2018, 08:26:49 PM
We took a 25-0 loss today. Defense played great and offense struggled. They scored on 1 punt and 1 kick off. We stopped them on the 2 yard line to end the game. We turned the ball over 3 times with 2 bad snaps and 1 bad hand off. Line stood up and blocked no one and backs we just lethargic. Heat index was 109 today also, but the other team had to play in it also. Coin flip was won we deferred and they chose receive. Ref ask if we wanted to kick.... obviously. They made us kick off to begin the 2nd half also, because we chose to kick.....what? They returned that to go up 12-0. Reverse got us on both TDs they scored on offense. I did not put wedge in this year and regret it.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on August 26, 2018, 08:29:40 PM
We took a 25-0 loss today. Defense played great and offense struggled. They scored on 1 punt and 1 kick off. We stopped them on the 2 yard line to end the game. We turned the ball over 3 times with 2 bad snaps and 1 bad hand off. Line stood up and blocked no one and backs we just lethargic. Heat index was 109 today also, but the other team had to play in it also. Coin flip was won we deferred and they chose receive. Ref ask if we wanted to kick.... obviously. They made us kick off to begin the 2nd half also, because we chose to kick.....what? They returned that to go up 12-0. Reverse got us on both TDs they scored on offense. I did not put wedge in this year and regret it.
I had that happen to me on the coin toss once. My first ever HC gig. Boy did I look foolish when we had to kick off twice.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 26, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
I ask the head" are you sure the refs understand what is going on" . There is always bad calls, but it isn't why we lost. Everything is fixable. Our best athletes and football players were tapping out on me. Not acceptable, my fault, I will get it right.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on August 29, 2018, 12:42:25 PM
Coin flip was won we deferred and they chose receive. Ref ask if we wanted to kick.

I don't understand this.  If you won the toss and deferred your choice, your opponent made the choice to receive.  Why would they ask you if you wanted to kick?  Your opponent already made the choice.

I also don't understand (if your choice was deferred) that you had to kick-off in the second half.  I know you didn't choose to kick it.

--Dave
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: SingleWingGoombah on August 29, 2018, 12:55:21 PM
I had that happen to me on the coin toss once. My first ever HC gig. Boy did I look foolish when we had to kick off twice.


Yeah, but what happened here was incorrect procedure by the refs. 

I wonder what would happen if you said we will receive, after deferring.  How would the ref address that when doing his little who won the toss dance.

"Team A has won the Toss, and deferred."

"Team B has elected to receive"

"Team A has also elected to receive"

Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 03:26:28 PM
The refs completely botched the coin toss. The header said of course we are kicking, should of clarified everything with the refs. Although the refs were wrong, him saying of course we are kicking, screwed us over. I am sure the phrase" are you kicking" was supposed to be " which direction do you want to kick" . Then when we kicked in the second half the ref kept saying " you said of course we are kicking" end of story, court is adjourned. Doesn't make any sense, but that's how it played out. While arguing with the refs, players were not mentally ready. Cut your losses and pull players together to get them focused.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 03:27:57 PM

Yeah, but what happened here was incorrect procedure by the refs. 

I wonder what would happen if you said we will receive, after deferring.  How would the ref address that when doing his little who won the toss dance.

"Team A has won the Toss, and deferred."

"Team B has elected to receive"

"Team A has also elected to receive"

Good question
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 03:31:30 PM
Never leave anything up to chance. You better make sure all parties understand. The opposing coach could have let us receive, but the game was close. He didn't say a word.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 03:32:40 PM
The situation has been taken to the league board.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: coachmiket on August 29, 2018, 03:58:15 PM
The situation has been taken to the league board.

If they side in your favor are they going to restart the game from that point in time or something?
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 04:19:49 PM
If they side in your favor are they going to restart the game from that point in time or something?
No, but I guess it makes the header happy. Honestly I moved on when I knew they weren't going to reconsider. It isn't why we lost anyway.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: bigshel on August 29, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
I've seen this happen before. If you win the toss, but want the ball to start the second half, you have to use the word "defer". That means you prefer the alternating possession by half to be yours to start the second half. If you win the toss and say you want to kick, you are actually forfeiting your alternating possession, and your opponent will get your alternating possession (to start the game) and theirs (to start the second half).

Most referees know this is a fairly common misunderstanding and will explain that. Some , like the population at large, are just a$$h*les.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on August 29, 2018, 11:37:08 PM
Watched film of the game Monday. OK, I attempted to watch film, but it was ground level and close up. I could see the back of the defense, but only the guys in the middle. I am glad that the images of the game were still burned in my brain. Going to request a different camera man/woman.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 01, 2018, 11:01:02 PM
We were taken down by a formidable opponent 13-31. They received the ball first. We had them on a 3rd and 10 and our safety decides to run towards the line of scrimmage. They throw deep middle and score. They kick off recover an onside kick. They ran a double reverse to our 1 and punch it in. Down 12-0 with 5 minutes left in the first quarter. We received the kick and went backwards 30 yards on penalties and bad runs. Called off tackle and we kept trying to get the edge. 4th down we punt, snap goes over punters head and he stopped and threw his hands up. They recover a touch down. 19-0 at the end of the first quarter. We received the kick and put together some nice runs, but they were sending the house. 2nd and 2 we throw a flood pass and score. 19-6. We kick off and they returned it for a TD. Halftime score 25-6. We returned opening kick off for TD 25-13. Subs go in and they ran the ball and got the edge no one around and they score 31-13. After all that we stalemated the last half of the 3rd and rest of the fourth. Much better than last week and against a better opponent. Lots of coaching issues and players not paying attention. I feel we will be on the twice as good next game. Still having players tap out and going in when not supposed to be in. Plan is in place for practice this week and I think will turn this thing around.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 05, 2018, 09:55:35 PM
We are regressing. Nobody is remembering their jobs. Chalking, talking, walking and running it over and over again. Guards don't pull or the wrong guard pulls, fb goes wrong way on kick out, qb can't handle snap, hand off or run fake. TEs and tackles don't know rule ( inside gap/on/backer ) and wing blocks wrong man. All at different times and frustration is starting to set in. The same base plays since the beginning of practice. I will even have them point and tell me what the job is and someone still gets it wrong. One more practice before our game and hope we can get it together. Rant over. I am not getting through to them and I am starting to yell a lot. I got to calm down and breathe.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 09:23:49 AM
We are regressing. Nobody is remembering their jobs. Chalking, talking, walking and running it over and over again. Guards don't pull or the wrong guard pulls, fb goes wrong way on kick out, qb can't handle snap, hand off or run fake. TEs and tackles don't know rule ( inside gap/on/backer ) and wing blocks wrong man. All at different times and frustration is starting to set in. The same base plays since the beginning of practice. I will even have them point and tell me what the job is and someone still gets it wrong. One more practice before our game and hope we can get it together. Rant over. I am not getting through to them and I am starting to yell a lot. I got to calm down and breathe.

I feel you. I've been saying "we block towards the ball" for weeks now.  I've literally said, "We block toward the ball" (looking at the left side of the line). "We block toward the ball" (looking at the middle of the line). "We block toward the ball" (looking at the right side of the line). "You snap the ball and relax" (looking right into the Center's soul). Then I ask all 7 linemen "which way do we block?". I get 2 pointing left, 2 pointing right, and 3 pointing straight ahead.

One of my linemen still brags about how he tackled his guy. Another likes to get into his d-line sprinter's stance (one foot in front of the other). He doesn't even play defense. My best o-lineman? When I give him a number to block, he turns at a 45 degree angle and faces him.

My options are a) to see the humor in it and try to find a more effective way to communicate, or b) to simply go insane. Option b is far from off the table.

They are giving me tremendous effort, just not in all areas (focus) and are having fun (except for when they are crying) and so am I (except for when I am crying).
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: coachmiket on September 06, 2018, 09:59:56 AM
I feel you. I've been saying "we block towards the ball" for weeks now.  I've literally said, "We block toward the ball" (looking at the left side of the line). "We block toward the ball" (looking at the middle of the line). "We block toward the ball" (looking at the right side of the line). "You snap the ball and relax" (looking right into the Center's soul). Then I ask all 7 linemen "which way do we block?". I get 2 pointing left, 2 pointing right, and 3 pointing straight ahead.

One of my linemen still brags about how he tackled his guy. Another likes to get into his d-line sprinter's stance (one foot in front of the other). He doesn't even play defense. My best o-lineman? When I give him a number to block, he turns at a 45 degree angle and faces him.

My options are a) to see the humor in it and try to find a more effective way to communicate, or b) to simply go insane. Option b is far from off the table.

They are giving me tremendous effort, just not in all areas (focus) and are having fun (except for when they are crying) and so am I (except for when I am crying).

Is it possible that some of the OL think "block towards the ball" means wherever the ball is traveling?  Like they are to literally block towards wherever the ball is and that means once it is snapped, handed off, thrown, whatever. Ask them to explain what they think "block towards the ball" means.  Maybe you need to rephrase it to something like "we block towards the guy that snaps the ball".  Just spit-balling here.

With the young ones you've got to be very literal in your instruction.  They don't always pick up on phrases the way we might think.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 06, 2018, 10:15:16 AM
I am going to calmly point out what was in correct and ask if they would like me to help them fix it. Whatever that answer maybe, I will go with it. They might start caring what their job is supposed to be. I haven't tried this approach yet.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 10:43:22 AM
Is it possible that some of the OL think "block towards the ball" means wherever the ball is traveling?  Like they are to literally block towards wherever the ball is and that means once it is snapped, handed off, thrown, whatever. Ask them to explain what they think "block towards the ball" means.  Maybe you need to rephrase it to something like "we block towards the guy that snaps the ball".  Just spit-balling here.

With the young ones you've got to be very literal in your instruction.  They don't always pick up on phrases the way we might think.

I'm open to any possibility. However, they typically have no idea where the ball is going unless they just assume because we nearly always run off tackle to the long side. I'll try that. "Block towards Jimmy".
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 10:47:22 AM
I am going to calmly point out what was in correct and ask if they would like me to help them fix it. Whatever that answer maybe, I will go with it. They might start caring what their job is supposed to be. I haven't tried this approach yet.

My guys may have used up my "calm" reserves for the rest of the season and are dipping into next season. I actually spoke with Mahonz at great length. After our last game, it's clear we need to turn up the heat in the physicality and accountability departments. This means turning down the heat on the yelling.

I throw my back pack out about 20 yards from our drill and calmly make them bear crawl around it if they lose focus. Seems to work much better than explaining or yelling.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 06, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
I'm open to any possibility. However, they typically have no idea where the ball is going unless they just assume because we nearly always run off tackle to the long side. I'll try that. "Block towards Jimmy".

I can see it now, " Why are you blocking Jimmy?".
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on September 06, 2018, 10:57:15 AM
I'm open to any possibility. However, they typically have no idea where the ball is going unless they just assume because we nearly always run off tackle to the long side. I'll try that. "Block towards Jimmy".
I have had them hold their hand out and move it until it points to the closest person inside of them our outside of them. You could also try Clarke's finger blocking technique.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 06, 2018, 10:59:06 AM
My guys may have used up my "calm" reserves for the rest of the season and are dipping into next season. I actually spoke with Mahonz at great length. After our last game, it's clear we need to turn up the heat in the physicality and accountability departments. This means turning down the heat on the yelling.

I throw my back pack out about 20 yards from our drill and calmly make them bear crawl around it if they lose focus. Seems to work much better than explaining or yelling.

We have one coach who does all the conditioning and discipline. You don't want sent to Coach Harvey, maybe they do. Some guys see him a lot.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 06, 2018, 11:04:05 AM
I have had them hold their hand out and move it until it points to the closest person inside of them our outside of them. You could also try Clarke's finger blocking technique.

Pointing to whom you are supposed to block and then not block him. That's where I am at. Not all the time. We just can't get it all together at the same time. It's like my golf game. If I am driving straight and long, my short game stinks. If my short game is good, then I am botching my drives. At least I can have a couple cold ones to ease the frustration.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: coachmiket on September 06, 2018, 11:05:25 AM
I'm open to any possibility. However, they typically have no idea where the ball is going unless they just assume because we nearly always run off tackle to the long side. I'll try that. "Block towards Jimmy".

Try asking them what they think it means.  Have a short discussion about it on their level.  Tell them there are no wrong answers because you guys are working out a problem and trying to find the solution. 
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on September 06, 2018, 11:21:17 AM
ask if they would like me to help them fix it. Whatever that answer maybe, I will go with it.

--Does that mean if they say "no," that you aren't going to help them fix it?

They might start caring what their job is supposed to be. I haven't tried this approach yet.

--They will care if you show them 2 things:  that you care about them, and that you care that they are successful.  This is not as easy as it sounds because it's not a 1-time thing ("I showed you that I cared last Tuesday!"), it's an all-the-time, every day thing.  And even if you show them (and most coaches believe that they do), are your players understanding and receiving it?  Many kids don't recognize it because they haven't seen it before, and they haven't seen it demonstrated this way.  (Through sport in general, and football specifically.)  So how do you expect them to comprehend that you care?  Most often, I see coaches who treat their players like $#!+ and then can't understand why their players don't "get it."

Add to that, for many kids you are just the next adult in line to let them down.  And you expect that kid to care?  It doesn't take 100 "Great jobs!" and "Attaboys!" to erase a "You're scared!  If you don't want to hit, then get off the field!"  Nothing will erase that.  And yet coaches continue to "challenge" players through insult, yelling, and threats ("Don't be last!...")

--Dave

Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on September 06, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
I honestly believe that most coaches are either:

1) So selfish they can only love and care about themselves. 

2) Have no idea how to show love.

3) Believe that showing love somehow makes them, or their players, soft.

Love can be taught and shown as a fundamental.  It has nothing to do with weakness.  It has nothing to do with being soft.  It has everything to do with getting a young man to believe in you, himself and his will to perform. 

When we do bearcrawls, something I do with the players when they have gone for a distance of 240 yards is when they are about 15 yards from the finish, I get down on my knees at the finish line and hold my hand out to them, yelling at them to "Take my hand, you're almost there!"  I strain my body towards them, sticking out my arm as if they were climbing a cliff and I am reaching down to give them something to hold on to, someone who is there to grab on to them and not let them fall.  There's nothing soft or weak about it, or what we do.  But when I tell them how proud I am of them for finishing, and I tell them I knew they were going to get there, it is the first small step in building that relationship of them wanting to perform because they want to achieve success, as opposed to wanting to perform because of the fear of punishment of negativity.  And you are showing them they can count on you.

--Dave

Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 12:44:20 PM
I can see it now, " Why are you blocking Jimmy?".

Which would be an improvement over "Coach, I just tackled Jimmy!"
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
I have had them hold their hand out and move it until it points to the closest person inside of them our outside of them. You could also try Clarke's finger blocking technique.

We're wall blocking now, so I have them put their outside hand on their inside buddy's shoulder. This reminds them what they are protecting and that no one gets between them and their buddy's shoulder. This is also how we get our splits. Unfortunately, every 10 minutes, they flush their brains, so all knowledge has a shelf life with these dudes. Remembering this from one day to the next? Forget it.

Not all of it is necessarily bad. Take my Y (TE) for example. I'll occasionally fan him out on a troublesome defender. When I did that in the game, he tilted 45 degrees at said defender. I took some hell for that and it was good for some laughs, but what it shows me is that he cares about his job and he has initiative. Right now, he has zero judgement to balance that initiative. One of our mantras is "No Robots!". We want free-thinking football players, so I believe this type of thing will pay off in time.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
Try asking them what they think it means.  Have a short discussion about it on their level.  Tell them there are no wrong answers because you guys are working out a problem and trying to find the solution.

You may be on to something. I'll try that.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 06, 2018, 12:57:41 PM
I appreciate the feedback. They are a good group of kids. I try not hit them with all negatives. There positive things they are doing. I reinforce those positives. I hold myself accountable also. I have done up downs and bear crawls with them, when the header made them, because I was to blame as much as them. They all run up to me with a million questions and want a fist bump when they do something great. Does this mean they buy in? No. I feel we have a great relationship, but I am losing my patience. I know if I keep up with my impatience and yelling, I will lose all of them. I just have to refocus and coach. I know myself, I can not allow them to do things wrong. Maybe what we are doing is getting mundane and lack of results is frustrating them also.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on September 06, 2018, 02:13:32 PM
he tilted 45 degrees at said defender. I took some hell for that and it was good for some laughs

Took hell for it, why?  Was he flagged?  Did he block his man?  Other than it perhaps being an illegal stance, should he not have tilted?

--Dave
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: coachmiket on September 06, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
You may be on to something. I'll try that.

I've had some real awakenings in my coaching life when I've asked a player that is doing something "wrong" what they thought I meant or what led them to those decisions and prefacing it by telling them I need them to be honest because I want to help them fix things.  It's amazing how insightful kids can be when you give them that trust like "hey, we're here to make YOU better, it's not about me."
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 06, 2018, 02:19:02 PM
Took hell for it, why?  Was he flagged?  Did he block his man?  Other than it perhaps being an illegal stance, should he not have tilted?

--Dave

Why? Because that's how we roll, LOL. At that moment, he looked like a poorly coached kid. No, he should not have tilted, but he didn't know that at the time. No idea what the rule is on legal stances.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on September 06, 2018, 02:24:10 PM
No idea what the rule is on legal stances.

Offensive linemen can't tilt.  It's the ref's perogative to determine how much tilt is legal.  But regardless, if he tilts and makes his block, then I'm leaving him tilted.

--Dave
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 07, 2018, 12:56:50 PM
We had an awesome practice last night. I got permission from the header to take a couple minutes to talk to the players. I talk to them about my frustration, yelling, and impatience this last week. I got asked if I was ok, is everything good at home, sorry we haven't been listening, that's alright coach, etc. Let them know I was fine and told them I had to refocus on what was important, them. Followed by," I know your frustrated also, so let's refocus, pull together, and just be better than we were yesterday, even if it's just small things. Let's take that approach every time we step on the field.". Speech was over and we split into groups for edds. I do the blocking drills. We do freeze frame LEG (on/left/right) on pads. Then full speed on live bodies. Then we do chip to backer drill freeze frame, the full speed. We finish only on 2 whistle blows. We got through it pretty quickly, while others group was doing tackling drills. Players want to do sumo drill while waiting. Circled up and they were calling each other out, loved it. I ended it and went to find out when other coach was done. He said, " I need to spicen up the drill, kids were lacking motivation.". I turn around and look, WrestleMania XXXX was going on. Called them all over to the spicened up tackling drill and proposed a competition. My group....against his group. We were destroying them for about 3/4 the time, then they started to even it up. EDDs went a little long, but they were having a blast. The attention, learning, and teaching they were doing was the best this year. Found a new QB, FB, and TE. We went full offense and it was night and day from any other practice. I was better, they were better. They were correcting each other and holding themselves and their teammates accountable. I know it wasn't from the speech, but more or less common ground. Common, because we were all frustrated and found out we were not alone. Don't know if this will carry over in the game, but is a building block.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 07, 2018, 12:57:54 PM
Still some mistakes, but cut down to very minimal.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on September 07, 2018, 01:18:38 PM
I was better, they were better. They were correcting each other and holding themselves and their teammates accountable. I know it wasn't from the speech, but more or less common ground. Common, because we were all frustrated and found out we were not alone. Don't know if this will carry over in the game, but is a building block.

Eric, it's called "coaching."  ;)

--Dave
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on September 07, 2018, 04:09:07 PM
I honestly believe that most coaches are either:

1) So selfish they can only love and care about themselves. 

2) Have no idea how to show love.

3) Believe that showing love somehow makes them, or their players, soft.

Love can be taught and shown as a fundamental.  It has nothing to do with weakness.  It has nothing to do with being soft.  It has everything to do with getting a young man to believe in you, himself and his will to perform. 

When we do bearcrawls, something I do with the players when they have gone for a distance of 240 yards is when they are about 15 yards from the finish, I get down on my knees at the finish line and hold my hand out to them, yelling at them to "Take my hand, you're almost there!"  I strain my body towards them, sticking out my arm as if they were climbing a cliff and I am reaching down to give them something to hold on to, someone who is there to grab on to them and not let them fall.  There's nothing soft or weak about it, or what we do.  But when I tell them how proud I am of them for finishing, and I tell them I knew they were going to get there, it is the first small step in building that relationship of them wanting to perform because they want to achieve success, as opposed to wanting to perform because of the fear of punishment of negativity.  And you are showing them they can count on you.

--Dave

I'm glad you brought this up. Last Friday was a true "wheels falling off the wagon" game for us. So many tears. It's been years since I've been on the wrong side of one of those games. I realized that we were too soft and unprepared for game day. I also believe that this is in no way their fault. No one on the staff is frustrated with the players.

I had long conversations with Mahonz that practices need to be physically harder and that we need high standards and consistent accountability. This meant for me that the yelling had to come WAY down to almost nonexistent, or that the yelling will be on the positive side. I am by far the "yelling" coach of this group, but I take the time to tell them every day that I love them, especially after I've sent them on a punishment run or tore into them. So I'm trying to replace yelling with calmly telling them to run Godzilla or bear crawl around the back pack of shame, explaining why, then building them back up when they get back.

Three things that I have been VERY careful of moving down to the 2nd graders:
1) cussing
2) anything that belittles, disrespects or hurts their feelings

In the heat of the game, I invited a player to get "pissed", then immediately apologized and corrected myself to "get mad".
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 08, 2018, 04:27:20 PM
It was a wet day today, but we pulled off our first win. The oline blocked extremely well, but the backs turned the ball over three times. We were also penalized 15 times for 110 yards. We came out on top 21-0 and it feels good. Wedge went for 125 yards, off tackle box went for 50, and stretch and reverse went for 180 yards. We still had a lot of little things to catch up on. It did seem that the last practice carried over to the game. #1 team next week at their house. We are now setting at 1-2 with 6 games remaining.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 13, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
Got to see some video of the team we are going to play. They are a single wing team and 4-4 defense. They do everything very good. Very disciplined team and have size and speed. I can see why they are a top team.

Meanwhile, we are still developing into a team. Ok I am a bone head. My lineman have worked on our footwork, explosion, punch, and our rules. I noticed yesterday, why are we not getting to our blocks? Because you have not done any fits to there blocks. So we worked that a lot today and what do you know? They are actually getting there blocks. I did fit for wedge, but not our base blocking scheme. How did I miss this very important aspect of the game. Oh well, we are heading in the right direction. Going to be a tough game, but I think we can make a game of it.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 14, 2018, 07:07:42 AM
It was just our down block, which is really important to know block fit.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 17, 2018, 08:03:08 AM
Ugh...we lost 0-35. Another 100┬░game and everybody was tapping out again. Some before the first kick off. We had holes to run through, but the blockers stopped and looked at the back. Our stretch and reverses were there, but the back kept trying to cut back instead of getting the edge. Left 3tds on the field. 2 turn overs for 2 TDs. Back to the grind.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 23, 2018, 05:55:25 PM
This week we had our game changed from Saturday at 10am to Sunday at 10 am. The problem with this is Me, our other Offensive coach, QB, backup QB, FB, and LG were going to miss this game. So I worked a direct snap wedge in this formation

       XXXXXXX
            X.  X.     X
               X
And a TE pop pass with it.
Also a beast formation all wedge blocked. Wedge was looking very well at last practice. Called Coach to get scoup about the game. He said we had 6 possessions and 2 turn overs against us, but had 4-6 minute drives for touch downs.
Defense had 16 sacks. We ended up winning 25-0. He said wedge went for at least 5 yards everytime. Going to work our Jet series and passes this week. Game was around 65┬░ and no one was tapping out. Would love to win out, but a couple tough opponents coming up.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 27, 2018, 12:46:57 PM
I finished in stalling trap and jet. Working on belly option and our roll out passes. Right now I have blast, gap, cut, counter ( IOL-Wash)  Wedge, Trap, Jet (perimeter blocking). Belly option is one play that may or may not be used. Rollout passes are just simple combos with the ends and wing. We are playing a team that we match up well with. Should be close, but hope to get a substantial lead.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on September 30, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
We lost 0-19 today. Had a TD called back at the end of the first half. 0-0 at halftime. We kick off they scored with a run back. They onside and recover. The kids were done at this point and they drive down and score. They onside again and recover again, then drive down and score. Onside again and recover we actually stop them. 30 seconds left we drive 20 yards, game over. Penalties killed us on offense all day. We would drive down the field with wedge and trap, then go back with penalties. Total second half collapse. 2-4 and have to now win out.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: mahonz on October 01, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
We lost 0-19 today. Had a TD called back at the end of the first half. 0-0 at halftime. We kick off they scored with a run back. They onside and recover. The kids were done at this point and they drive down and score. They onside again and recover again, then drive down and score. Onside again and recover we actually stop them. 30 seconds left we drive 20 yards, game over. Penalties killed us on offense all day. We would drive down the field with wedge and trap, then go back with penalties. Total second half collapse. 2-4 and have to now win out.

Can you win out?
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 01, 2018, 05:20:16 PM
I think this team could win out, but have major mental issues. They keep reverting back to what they were taught, or not taught, in our games. I don't know if it is selfishness, nerves, or a combination. Maybe I'm trying to much or expecting to much. I think having green players with same athletesism, would have been easier. We will keep pushing forward and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Rockets11 on October 01, 2018, 07:41:19 PM
We kick off and they returned it for a TD.


We kick off they scored with a run back.


How are you kicking? How are you covering it?
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 01, 2018, 08:46:28 PM


How are you kicking? How are you covering it?

We normally kick deep,. We huddle and kicker tells team direction. We maintain our lanes and converge to the ball carrier. First lost onside, kick went 5 yards and we yell poison and kid tries to get ball. The rest were kicked to open spot behind front line and return man bobbled it and kicked it forward twice. Front line didn't make there blocks either.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 07, 2018, 09:37:33 PM
We got a big win today 12-6. We started out on fire, well fire for us. We drove down the field 4 yards at a time. We took 8 minutes off the clock. They come out in quads, empty set and picked up one first down, then turned it over on downs. We methodically drove the ball down the field again and scored again. After this, throughout the game, we couldn't consistently move the ball. Our line completely fell apart. They we're slow, lethargic, and did there own thing. Backs were running to wrong spots. The defense was strong all game. They scored on our second string defense at the very end. The second string was in for three series, so I think they performed well. Our opponent scored on a nice pass and a better catch. They threw a fade, about 20 yards, kid jumps and made finger tip catch. Our corner hit him as soon as he caught it and he spun off the hit and took it 30 more yards. We have to fix the selfish and lazy play. A win is a win
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 07, 2018, 10:03:33 PM
We are at 3-4 with 2 games left. We win these next 2 and we are in the playoffs. Tough opponent next weekend.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: CoachDP on October 07, 2018, 11:18:12 PM
They we're slow, lethargic, and did there own thing.

--How fast do you need them to be?  What's "their thing" and how does that differ from "your thing?"

Backs were running to wrong spots.

--That happens when they have no confidence in their o-line and are just running to daylight, or they don't know the importance of running to their hole.  For most, they won't run to a hole that isn't there.  We teach them to do that anyway, as there isn't supposed to be a hole in our offensive line.

--Dave
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 08, 2018, 08:03:36 AM
After our first 2 series, they were walking from huddle to the line. We were not firing off on the snap. They were no longer wedge blocking, they just stood straight up. On trap they were blocking like blast. Blast was actually blocked decent, but the backs kept trying run outside their blocks. This team was giving us off tackle and middle all game. Nothing changed but what we were executing.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: coachmiket on October 08, 2018, 11:16:26 AM
After our first 2 series, they were walking from huddle to the line. We were not firing off on the snap. They were no longer wedge blocking, they just stood straight up. On trap they were blocking like blast. Blast was actually blocked decent, but the backs kept trying run outside their blocks. This team was giving us off tackle and middle all game. Nothing changed but what we were executing.

Were they tired?  Was it hot?  Did something happen that may have caused some sort of letdown?  Coach yelling or something?  Is this the first time something like this has happened?  If not, what are the common denominators in these occurrences?
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 08, 2018, 12:03:31 PM
Were they tired?  Was it hot?  Did something happen that may have caused some sort of letdown?  Coach yelling or something?  Is this the first time something like this has happened?  If not, what are the common denominators in these occurrences?

It was a nice day, low 80's and cloudy. They have had a lot of quit in them, from our first game. This quit is not just while on the field, but even before they go on to the field. Honestly it looks like they get bored and just play haphazardly. We go over these issues in practice. They know who to block and where to block, but don't seem to stay with it. We do the chaser drill on our backs and they run to there spots quickly. We have 22 players and never go on air. We call play out loud, have kids point to whom they are blocking and where the ball is being ran. The defense tries and overload the play, since we call it out loud, but the backs stay on track and make great yardage. In games something happens to everybody's brain. I can understand if the teams were changing what they did and who was doing it, but they aren't. I am not the play caller, I am watching the D and helping the play caller. HC is watching the OL, play caller is watching backfield, 2 other coaches are watching 1 left idea and 1 right side, last coach is working with kids who have been pulled out for mistakes and assess and fix what is going wrong ( also does substitutions ). None of us has a bad attitude towards the players, but do occasionally chew some ass.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 09, 2018, 10:09:50 AM
3 players getting fired and 3 players getting promoted today. LTE, LT, and wing back are main culprits for the line failures. Also have 7 players that can play in the backfield. 4 are clearly better backs, but need motivation. Losing a spot can be a great motivator.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 14, 2018, 03:00:14 PM
That's a winner. After giving up an opening series TD and onside kick, we buckled down and played some tough football. Tough, but not smart. We had 8 false starts and 3 holding penalties. Trap and wedge work well, which opened up our jet for 2 scores. End score 13-6. Setting at 4-4 with one game left.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 15, 2018, 04:14:53 PM
I can't figure out these last couple of teams we played and/or going to play. The scores are all over the place, as well as the wins. One team loses to a bad team, beats a decent team, and hangs with a very good team. This is our last 3 opponents. We have beat two of them and are playing another this week. We have to win this game and have not done any scouting. We have one video of us and it is so poor, I can see five players, only. We are just going to stick with what we do and play it by ear. All I can say is the middle of the road teams, including us, are inconsistent. I really hate going into games blind.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 19, 2018, 10:15:20 AM
8 teams will make the play offs. Standings with 1game left puts us in the playoffs.

1 JJK 8-0
2 O'fallon 7-1
3 Edwardsville 7-1
4 Belleville Knights 5-3
5 Fairview 5-3
6 Troy 4-4
7 Alton 4-4
8 Mascoutah's 2-6
9 Highland 2-6
10 Belleville Devil's 2-6
11 Jerseyville 1-7
12 Cahokia 1-7

This week's games: Alton(us) vs Jerseyville ; Troy vs Cahokia ; Fairview vs JJK ; Knights vs Mascoutah ; Highland vs Devil's
We could have a 3 or 4 way tie at 5-4. So looking at it, we are in, but don't know the seeding.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 19, 2018, 10:16:52 AM
The team we are playing have lost most of their games by 7 or less. They were blown out 1 time. Not a sure thing for us, but like our chances.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 20, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
We won 32-7 and we lost because we only had 2 refs at the beginning of the game. Both teams allowed one TD each for some extremely small players. Although I don't like players to allow anything, it was pretty cool. Our team carried our guy off the field chanting his name. The smile on the young man was priceless. The head coaches decided to do this because it was a forfeit and if the game was out of hand with 2 minutes left in the game. 26-0 with 2 minutes left in the game, so we allowed each team to score. We didn't instruct them to dive and flop, but the did and played it off well. It took our guy 12 seconds to run 50 yards. Into the playoffs we go.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: gumby_in_co on October 20, 2018, 09:00:17 PM
8 teams will make the play offs. Standings with 1game left puts us in the playoffs.

1 JJK 8-0
2 O'fallon 7-1
3 Edwardsville 7-1
4 Belleville Knights 5-3
5 Fairview 5-3
6 Troy 4-4
7 Alton 4-4
8 Mascoutah's 2-6
9 Highland 2-6
10 Belleville Devil's 2-6
11 Jerseyville 1-7
12 Cahokia 1-7

This week's games: Alton(us) vs Jerseyville ; Troy vs Cahokia ; Fairview vs JJK ; Knights vs Mascoutah ; Highland vs Devil's
We could have a 3 or 4 way tie at 5-4. So looking at it, we are in, but don't know the seeding.

Wow. I have family in your neck of the woods. I spent my first 4 years of life in Troy.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 20, 2018, 10:48:20 PM
Small world  :)
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 25, 2018, 08:44:53 PM
Playoff game this Sunday. We play a team that beat us 31-13. That was in week 2 this season. 2nd half we collapsed, kids were quitting and pulling themselves out of the game because of the heat. We have 4 different starters on our offensive line. We have 2 new players in the backfield and all 4 are in different positions. Also we did not have wedge or trap. I'm not ready to end this season.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 28, 2018, 05:14:59 PM
Our season is officially over. We lost to this team 31 to 13 in the second week of the season. Most of the game was a stalemate. We allowed one pass for a touchdown, it bounced off our cornerbacks helmet going for an interception to their receiver. And that's the score for you six to nothing. We out rush them 240 yards - 40 yards. We just couldn't punch the ball in. We had the ball inside the 10-yard line three times.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: Dimson on October 28, 2018, 05:34:50 PM
Tough way to lose but obviously you guys showed great improvement.
Title: Re: Renegade 10U season
Post by: angalton on October 29, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
Tough way to lose but obviously you guys showed great improvement.

They had the ball with 35 seconds left. It was a thrird down and us with 2 timeouts. We decide to send the house, our MLB strips the ball at the hand off exchange and was tackled at the ten. We had one shot to tie the game. We call our stretch play, that is now an RPO, QB misses the throw by a foot of out stretched arms of the receiver. Ball game was over as time tick all the way down.