Author Topic: run pass options  (Read 11563 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ZACH

  • Administrator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 10333
  • Total likes: 910
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 10-1
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: run pass options
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2015, 06:08:51 PM »
I guess I looked at your diagram wrong. So you're going to be under center?

Yes...biggest issue with zone we found was the lack of the quick hitter.  We want the ball going places with speed.
"Some athletes have division 1 dreams and jv work ethic" - random

Offline MHcoach

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7731
  • Total likes: 1820
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: run pass options
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2015, 06:19:10 PM »
Zach

Ok, now I am confused. A quick Hitter? While Zone isn't as Quick as a SPV dive, it shouldn't be slow either. Now for us Trap hits lighting fast.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline ZACH

  • Administrator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 10333
  • Total likes: 910
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 10-1
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: run pass options
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2015, 06:24:48 PM »
Zach

Ok, now I am confused. A quick Hitter? While Zone isn't as Quick as a SPV dive, it shouldn't be slow either. Now for us Trap hits lighting fast.

Joe

It wasnt slow for us... but I felt we couldve been a lot better with more quick hitters.  Tight zone was great...wide zone took time...the fronts we saw a lot of dictated us to run wide zone a lot.
"Some athletes have division 1 dreams and jv work ethic" - random

Offline MHcoach

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7731
  • Total likes: 1820
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: run pass options
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2015, 06:28:17 PM »
Zach

Ahh IZ & OZ, yes OZ needs to develop. What depth were your backs at? I think too often Youth Coaches don't adjust the depth of the backs. I see 9/10's at 6 1/2 yds deep & it takes a day to get to the LOS.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline ZACH

  • Administrator
  • Diamond
  • Posts: 10333
  • Total likes: 910
  • Coaching: 12 & Under
  • Defense: 10-1
  • Offense: One Back
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: run pass options
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2015, 06:34:12 PM »
Zach

Ahh IZ & OZ, yes OZ needs to develop. What depth were your backs at? I think too often Youth Coaches don't adjust the depth of the backs. I see 9/10's at 6 1/2 yds deep & it takes a day to get to the LOS.

Joe

6 steps from center
"Some athletes have division 1 dreams and jv work ethic" - random

Offline MHcoach

  • Platinum
  • Posts: 7731
  • Total likes: 1820
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Other
Re: run pass options
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2015, 06:39:11 PM »
Zach

That's the right distance. Zone for us hit fairly quick.

Joe
"Champions behave like champions before they're champions: they have a winning standard of performance before they are winners"
Bill Walsh

Offline matt8188

  • Silver
  • Posts: 1068
  • Total likes: 6
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Assistant
Re: run pass options
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2015, 07:36:39 PM »
Zach

Ok, now I am confused. A quick Hitter? While Zone isn't as Quick as a SPV dive, it shouldn't be slow either. Now for us Trap hits lighting fast.

Joe

Coach, could you elaborate on why your trap hits so much faster than your zone? Is your RB moving earlier?
"People think I'm the best damn coach in the world, but Neyland taught me everything l know"-Bear Bryant

"The measure of who we are, is what we do, with what we have."-Vince Lombardi

Offline TexomaTitans

  • Copper
  • Posts: 15
  • Total likes: 1
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: run pass options
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2015, 08:36:02 PM »
For 10 yr olds RPO are tough. Passing at all is tough at 10. At ten a RRO is possible Run Run option known simply as one read option football. .You can teach a smart n athletic 10 yr old to read one defender and to keep or give. I like packaged run plays. Example ISZ OSZ is possible with the right kid its rare but possible Jet Sweep \QB Power is possible reading the MLB. We start basic RPO at 14u  ISZ\Bubble Stick/Draw etc. These are all designed to keep over hang players in conflict because it is what you must do to be successful in the spread we want to get them ready to shine in HS.

Offline TexomaTitans

  • Copper
  • Posts: 15
  • Total likes: 1
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: 3-5-3
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Head Coach
Re: run pass options
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2015, 08:58:49 PM »
For us trap hits very quickly as well it has to because we are allowing a down DL free access into our backfield until out pulling guard or tackle ear holes him. Ideally we want the ball in the RB hands before our lineman crunches him therefore by ness it develops faster.

Offline somecoach

  • Copper
  • Posts: 112
  • Total likes: 22
  • Coaching: High School
  • Defense: Other
  • Offense: Spread Formation
  • Title: Coordinator
Re: run pass options
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2016, 04:05:21 AM »
Here's My $0.02 on RPO's at the lower levels.

Personally as a Spread coach at the highschool level I am looking to STEAL as many yards as possible.

The purpose of an RPO is to leverage the defense to get out of the 6-man box look in order to run the ball.

What kills majority of Run pass conflicts with the guys in the box? One high safety defenses, Especially Cover 1 "man free".

Now by all means there are RPO concepts that can be ran against 1 high structures, but they are not as effective as the when you are playing against a 2 high defense (simple math).

Well, probably 90% of you will see some form of 1 high. So keep all of this in mind when choosing the concepts you install.

That is why RPO's are becoming more popular as you go higher in the football ranks (older players, better passes, more 2 high defenses... until you get to the NFL where the Defenses are too quick to run RPO's as effectively but that is a different discussion)

Also keep in mind there are 2 types or RPO's pre snap (throw based on alignment) and post snap (reading a defender post snap and pulling the ball in order to throw it)

IMO youth linebackers (even in highschool) are slow to come up on the run, therefore just by not reacting, the qb might actually have a cloudy read and not have a clear throwing lane to throw the RPO, and might even get picked by dumb luck!!
Keep in mind the read is a split second read due to the fact that the qb is meshing with the running back

Now, how can RPO's help you down at the youth level?

1 when a defender is defending a pass route/ screen they are "blocked" from the run play called. IMO a smaller kid running a fake bubble will be more consistent when "blocking" then if you put him in the box as a backside tight end (as he would be in the double or single wing). (aslo a great way for a minimum play player to ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE!!!

2 Due to the 1 high structures and slow line backer play i discussed before, I would ONLY install PRESNAP READ RPO's (even at my level I do not rely on post snap stuff ... yet). There is no point in investing you and your kids time on post snap throws that schematically might not be there, or will have too cloudy of a read to have an open throw.

3 Kids are kids, If you are uptempo like me, sometimes they might simply forget or be too tired to even cover the RPO and you will STEAL yards.

4 One thing i didn't touch upon is the fact many youth teams rely on MAN coverage. They have to live in that world of football. If your kid is better then theirs (or gets lucky) they can be beat. Packaging an inside run with a quick throw can be deadly combo.

5 IT is FUN. keep in mind, if you split a kid out wide, and all you have him do 80% of the game is stalk block, he will get bored. If you are having him run routes atleast 50% he will actually think (wow I have a chance to catch a football this play... instead of oh great ANOTHER stalk block

Here is a great site on pre snap Rpo's Coach Mac is really good at what he does.
http://playfastfootball.blogspot.com/2014/06/run-access-throws.html