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Dealing with a Bear Front
« on: May 12, 2015, 01:34:03 PM »
Joe,

How do you best attack a Bear front?

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2015, 01:53:46 PM »
Dan

First off I am going to assume that it is 3 techniques by the DT's & not 2's like the diagram.

DC & I were just talking about playing a bear front. I haven't played against one in several years & the last time we did we scorched it for over 60. The thing is if they a play true bear front with press man, conventional wisdom calls to throw off the lid of the defense. Now, second play of the game we went vertical & missed the throw. It put a fear into our opponent where they stayed in coverage as we ran Zone right by them. It was Zone to the HBack side & Power to Z's side that really hurts this defense. The 9 technique is usually very wide, & half the time we don't even block him & hit underneath.

Because they are in press man it does limit the Fast Screen game, you do have to be willing to take the shot over the top. Also any of the Pump's($ calls) are in play.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2015, 03:21:51 PM »
Thats "red"

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 03:25:46 PM »
Yeah but that MLB is still hard to get to and there is another L reading the H.   

I really like the T power vs that, tackle pull on power.   But it's not a play we would normally use. 

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 03:28:18 PM »
Center psg combo to climb to mike
bsg gets 0 tech (chop)
bst get 3 tech
pst man on 6/9 tech...

H back still free to lead through or Influence elsewhere
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 03:35:02 PM »
My B didnt pay attn to the section...sorry
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2015, 07:42:13 PM »
Here is some Wisdom, The ATTACHED describes RED/WHITE (in GREAT DETAIL).  The IZ (run to outside leg of ON G) is much better to WHITE:

INSIDE ZONE:  We prefer INSIDE ZONE to the “WHITE” side because the RB has a chance to CRAM the B Gap (because of the “bubble” over the ON G) without having to always make a CUT (“the BEST cut is NO cut”), & because we frequently get 3 double teams on the IZ to the “White” side:
   
GETTING 3 “VERTICAL” DOUBLE TEAMS ON INSIDE ZONE PLAY TO “WHITE” SIDE:

OBJECTIVE:  PUSH LEVEL 1 (DLM) BACK INTO THE LAPS OF LEVEL 2 (LBers)

----------------------------W/S

C----------------------------------------------S/S-----------C
--------------------W-------M------S
-----------------------E-----N---T----E
----------------------O-O-O-C-O-O-O
O----------------------------Q-----------------------------O

------------------------------R

INSIDE ZONE LEFT:

LE & LT = (ZONE) DOUBLE DE (#2) TO WLB (#3)

LG & CTR = (ZONE) DOUBLE NOSE (#0) TO MLB (#1)

RG & RT = (ZONE) DOUBLE DT (#1) TO SLB (#2)

RE = (MAN) CUTOFF DE (#3)

RB = 1st. STEP LATERAL WITH PLAYSIDE FOOT, ROLL, CROSSOVER, AND AIM NOSE FOR OUTSIDE LEG OF LG.   CRAM B GAP

QB = OPEN TO 7 O’CLOCK.  AFTER HANDOFF – FAKED NAKED FOR 5 STEPS AWAY FROM P.O.A.
 
WR’S  “PUSH/CRACK” FROM CORNERS TO SAFETIES


PS:  The BIGGEST MISTAKE I see offensive coaches make it that they (in a given game) try to run ALL their plays, from ALL their formations, & run them ALL both right & left (& run them ALL to both "RED" & "WHITE"). That is a recipe for "getting your ass beat".
   

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2015, 07:51:59 PM »
Dan

I can only tell you, the last couple of times we have a bear front we dominated it. IMHO the thing is we are always prepared to do 2 things when teams load the box:

1) We aren't afraid to throw it deep.
2) We simply won't block those wide 9 & run under them.

Remember our splits make it difficult for them also.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2015, 07:17:50 AM »
Here is some Wisdom, The ATTACHED describes RED/WHITE (in GREAT DETAIL).  The IZ (run to outside leg of ON G) is much better to WHITE:

INSIDE ZONE:  We prefer INSIDE ZONE to the “WHITE” side because the RB has a chance to CRAM the B Gap (because of the “bubble” over the ON G) without having to always make a CUT (“the BEST cut is NO cut”), & because we frequently get 3 double teams on the IZ to the “White” side:
   
GETTING 3 “VERTICAL” DOUBLE TEAMS ON INSIDE ZONE PLAY TO “WHITE” SIDE:

OBJECTIVE:  PUSH LEVEL 1 (DLM) BACK INTO THE LAPS OF LEVEL 2 (LBers)

----------------------------W/S

C----------------------------------------------S/S-----------C
--------------------W-------M------S
-----------------------E-----N---T----E
----------------------O-O-O-C-O-O-O
O----------------------------Q-----------------------------O

------------------------------R

INSIDE ZONE LEFT:

LE & LT = (ZONE) DOUBLE DE (#2) TO WLB (#3)

LG & CTR = (ZONE) DOUBLE NOSE (#0) TO MLB (#1)

RG & RT = (ZONE) DOUBLE DT (#1) TO SLB (#2)

RE = (MAN) CUTOFF DE (#3)

RB = 1st. STEP LATERAL WITH PLAYSIDE FOOT, ROLL, CROSSOVER, AND AIM NOSE FOR OUTSIDE LEG OF LG.   CRAM B GAP

QB = OPEN TO 7 O’CLOCK.  AFTER HANDOFF – FAKED NAKED FOR 5 STEPS AWAY FROM P.O.A.
 
WR’S  “PUSH/CRACK” FROM CORNERS TO SAFETIES


PS:  The BIGGEST MISTAKE I see offensive coaches make it that they (in a given game) try to run ALL their plays, from ALL their formations, & run them ALL both right & left (& run them ALL to both "RED" & "WHITE"). That is a recipe for "getting your ass beat".
   

Can,t beat it.

that isnt a bear front

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2015, 08:26:36 AM »
Dan

I can only tell you, the last couple of times we have a bear front we dominated it. IMHO the thing is we are always prepared to do 2 things when teams load the box:

1) We aren't afraid to throw it deep.
2) We simply won't block those wide 9 & run under them.

Remember our splits make it difficult for them also.

Joe

Joe if you ignore the 9 on zone where is the PST going vs that front?

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2015, 08:35:20 AM »
Center psg combo to climb to mike
bsg gets 0 tech (chop)
bst get 3 tech
pst man on 6/9 tech...

H back still free to lead through or Influence elsewhere

Problem is you can only do those combos from tight splits against that front. 

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2015, 08:37:47 AM »
Problem is you can only do those combos from tight splits against that front.

We did fine with 2ft splits last season.... is that tight
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2015, 08:38:05 AM »
Joe if you ignore the 9 on zone where is the PST going vs that front?

If he has a 3 tech his base rule would give him a Gator call. The hard part is the 0/00 stack.
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2015, 08:39:44 AM »
Problem is you can only do those combos from tight splits against that front.

Dan

PST- Gator the 3 to Mike
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