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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #240 on: May 21, 2015, 07:41:14 AM »
Nick

I will say again & again that you keep putting your defenders in 1on1 situations. You can tell me how much you drill them, video says otherwise. When you break it goes to the house.

Do you honestly believe we don't drill our offensive players? Do you think we average over 40 points a game on shear talent?

The relevance Nick is that when I look at your team, for all the drilling you do they still make mistakes. The relevance is not what my team would do against a Bear rather what it has done. This season should be interesting for you, stepping up in class let's see just how well drilled your team can be. It's a shame you refuse to learn anything. The ones that get hurt by your arrogance is your team.

At some point read through the posts again because you have missed so much, look at the 4 or 5 plays I have described that we use against the bear look. I have even outlined what down & distance I would use them on.

I am amazed at your arrogance; even more amazed at your ability to not understand basic concepts. Your offer for Skype for free will expire so I suggest if you really have interest in learning anything you have someone help you set it up.

Joe
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #241 on: May 21, 2015, 07:55:49 AM »
Joe's team is often the team with less talent on the field Nick. 5 or 6 D1 kids on a team down here is pretty common believe it or not. Talent all the same, coaching is not and never is. Joe is on a staff of really good coaches top to bottom. They win because they have talent and a top notch staff. There are some teams down here that win because they have overwhelming talent. That happens everywhere. This is not the case where Joe is at.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #242 on: May 21, 2015, 07:59:57 AM »
Nick

I will say again & again that you keep putting your defenders in 1on1 situations. You can tell me how much you drill them, video says otherwise. When you break it goes to the house.

Do you honestly believe we don't drill our offensive players? Do you think we average over 40 points a game on shear talent?

The relevance Nick is that when I look at your team, for all the drilling you do they still make mistakes. The relevance is not what my team would do against a Bear rather what it has done. This season should be interesting for you, stepping up in class let's see just how well drilled your team can be. It's a shame you refuse to learn anything. The ones that get hurt by your arrogance is your team.

At some point read through the posts again because you have missed so much, look at the 4 or 5 plays I have described that we use against the bear look. I have even outlined what down & distance I would use them on.

I am amazed at your arrogance; even more amazed at your ability to not understand basic concepts. Your offer for Skype for free will expire so I suggest if you really have interest in learning anything you have someone help you set it up.

Joe

well I  disagree we still have other players on the field--like the nose and the 3 technique.  it is not like ours guys are having a one on one game with your athletes on the field.....if we go freeze it isnt one on one--we have an extra guy---so the things you are saying I disagree with.... it isnt personal...it is football.....I just am not going to accept, as it seems  others will, that you "torched" the bear with your great scheme......you may hae torched it because your players made plays or the bear wasnt coached up correctly....

p.s. I dont have skype but i would be happy to have a phone conversation with you and you could record it and post it here for all to hear....we could set it up for tonight if you want....

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #243 on: May 21, 2015, 08:17:09 AM »
Nick

A phone conversation would be fine.

As to what we have done against a Bear I can only relate what we actually did. I was questioned I replied. What I think you don't understand, is my teams have pretty much done that against most teams. The last time we faced a Bear look was with a team that went 16-0 scored 759 points. So yes we torched the bear, but then again we torched everyone.

The last 3 seasons here in Florida my teams have gone undefeated in the regular season. That's 1 season at 2A with 21 players, & 2 seasons at 8A playing top competition in the State. All 3 seasons we have averaged close to 40 points a game. Now, we haven't seen a bear front here in Florida. We do see M2M all the time, especially since we play a lot of man coverage.

When asked, I have replied that what gives us the most trouble is a 2 High shell. Every team that has tried to play us with 1 high has been torched(this is not conjecture it is fact).

Joe
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #244 on: May 21, 2015, 08:37:57 AM »
we have all your guys covered either way--follow me here

you guys are pistol one by two by two with a wing.....

in base:  corners are on number 1, sam is on the wing(number 2)  will is on the slot.....one high look

freeze: will stays in the box in a 40 tech with mike at the other 40 tech, fred is on the slot.......(sam and fred could flop depending on match ups)

all covered now what do you do?  describe the play?  in freeze we have you outnumbered....

Dude i just drew it for you and you are asking for the 100th time for someone to describe a play. 

    You don't have it outnumbered.    You are one on one across board in pass game and your front has to make a great play in run game even in cover 0.   

Every time you lose a single play it may go to the house. 




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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #245 on: May 21, 2015, 08:58:49 AM »
Dan

Since he can't figure out Skype, I will have the phone call & I guarantee he will still insists his scheme is the best. That's ok, I understand about believing in what you do.

The crazy thing is the difference between the hypothetical & the real. DC & I were having the conversation about facing the Bear front before this all started. What we both talked about was when the Defense broke it would be for a TD. You see the difference is I understand what the defense is trying to do, while he is confused about what the offense is trying to do. That is just a difference in coaching experience, it's ok because several others have gained a lot of good information.

You are the guy who started this post, so either all the credit or all the blame should fall on your shoulders. I hope you have gotten what you needed from the posts.

Joe
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #247 on: May 21, 2015, 09:04:47 AM »


You are the guy who started this post, so either all the credit or all the blame should fall on your shoulders. I hope you have gotten what you needed from the posts.

Joe

I learned stretch power from this thread and got clarification on blocking assignments for Bear, plus I had one great comedic line following a Michael comment (in my mind anyway).   

Ended up being a great thread for me.   

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #248 on: May 21, 2015, 09:07:52 AM »
I just dumped my coffee in my lap!

S

Hey am I here to amuse you? Funny? Funny how what am I a comedian?

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #249 on: May 21, 2015, 09:39:12 AM »

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #250 on: May 21, 2015, 09:45:12 AM »
Hmm the bear front ate the like button!
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #251 on: May 21, 2015, 09:53:33 AM »
I don't know where you're located, but football in most places uses a points system nowadays.
This forum really needs a like button!  :D

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #252 on: May 21, 2015, 10:00:35 AM »
Lessee here, is this the defensive looks?(for us visual guys)
This is the formation shown in the Hudl clips.
Queen? Who gives a rat's a$$, it's a name!

Base 4-6 Cover 1 press

……………………….………F

………..W……………..….M
…C…….………..E....T….N….T…..$..E………C
..O………………….O..O..X..O..O……………..O
……………O…………………………..H
……………………………………...T
………………………………..Q


4-6 Freeze Cover 0

…….………….……….……W……....M
…C…..………F………E.…T.…N….T….$…E………….C
..O……………………….O..O..X..O..O…………………O
…………………O…………………………….H
…………………………………………….T
………………………………………Q

Now, I do not run the Spread Option, but I have studied it. I know what I think I'd be running, but I'll leave it to Joe to answer the questions.
Eventually it breaks down to argument of scheme versus Jimmies and Joe's (sorry). We cannot compare the talent differences here.
But football games at the level Nick, Joe and I coach at is played by 16-18 year old kids who don't always do what they are coached to do or are not able to achieve the coaches expectations. Always have to keep that in mind.
Alright Joe, have at it!
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #253 on: May 21, 2015, 10:39:49 AM »
The biggest thing to take into consideration here is, and MH has mentioned it a few times

YES your D might do great 1 play, my O might do just "pretty good" another play...when my O does anything just "pretty good" against defense like this there's a high % chance WE SCORE! (or at least its a good gain.) We dont even have to be "great" just "pretty good" 33% of the time. Just 33% means we are making 1st downs moving the chains repeatedly and every completion vs no safety has a greater chance at scoring....this is why coaches are saying cover 0 will get torched.

They only need to win a battle every once in awhile to hang 40+ a game. Lets say they get 65 snaps...33% pretty good plays = your defense is screwed!

Nick your defense might be an occasional D seen by spread teams. BUT if you were really on to something here, and Im just spit ballin, there's a lot of coaches out there looking at how to stop the spread consistently. AND IM SORRY TO SAY THE BEAR JUST AINT BEING PICKED NOR IS COVER ZERO NOR IS COVER 1 (cover 1 sometimes)...wee a spread team and basically its goal line we see your D

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #254 on: May 21, 2015, 11:00:22 AM »


Ok, first thing is no one will try to play us with a 1 high shell. If they do we are down right arrogant about blowing the roof off the defense. So right off the bat we will test your athletes ability to run. Our QB will throw the Quick Game in 1.2 to 1.4 seconds. Matt C & PSL Rob just were visiting our practice & I actually asked them to time us between plays, & how long from snap to release on our quick game so I know those numbers are quasi accurate.

Next, we will run IZ Read to the Hback & Stretch/Power read to Z's side. We think our running QB is going to give you some trouble to account for.

Our RPO's are new, so I will leave them out of the equation because to be honest they are almost like stealing.

Probably one most 1st downs we will continue to try the top off, & when we need a 3rd & medium/long (5-9yds) it will probably be Mesh to get the M2M guys to collide. We really want to see what adjustment you will make to the Stretch/Power & who covers the Bubble.

Joe

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