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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2015, 01:32:54 PM »
Can we ask a bigger question

Besides youth...why would anyone wanna defend a spread with bear front or 46?
VA tech did it to beat OSU last year
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2015, 01:41:59 PM »
Nick

I know you don't see it that way, & too bad for that. I just spent the last hour on the  white board with an ACC DC. He was showing us all his adjustments to what we do, & telling us how difficult it is to defend. Maybe that's the difference, I am always looking to improve & you are looking to prove.

We got into the whole Power/Read game, & he gave us some idea's that I really like. They have some interesting ways to attack Spread option teams. We have continually been killing our own D on the bend back by the QB. He showed us what they do, they started doing it last season & wow it's nice.

He was saying not many teams do it the way we do(from multiple  sets) & where it presents the problem was exactly what I was saying to you. You have a problem accounting for our QB & the Power, now if your Will stays with the Bubble you have no help & are out the gate. The insert block is a new addition this season. This year we a couple of players who fit the HBack role nicely. So, through trial & error we added the insert & it really cleans things up.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2015, 01:48:39 PM »
VA tech did it to beat OSU last year

They ran bear front in press man all day?
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2015, 01:50:14 PM »
Nick

I know you don't see it that way, & too bad for that. I just spent the last hour on the  white board with an ACC DC. He was showing us all his adjustments to what we do, & telling us how difficult it is to defend. Maybe that's the difference, I am always looking to improve & you are looking to prove.

We got into the whole Power/Read game, & he gave us some idea's that I really like. They have some interesting ways to attack Spread option teams. We have continually been killing our own D on the bend back by the QB. He showed us what they do, they started doing it last season & wow it's nice.

He was saying not many teams do it the way we do(from multiple  sets) & where it presents the problem was exactly what I was saying to you. You have a problem accounting for our QB & the Power, now if your Will stays with the Bubble you have no help & are out the gate. The insert block is a new addition this season. This year we a couple of players who fit the HBack role nicely. So, through trial & error we added the insert & it really cleans things up.

Joe

Love to hear what the ACC DC and you talked about sometime soon.
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2015, 01:52:51 PM »
After, Va Tech did it, a few schools tried it only to give up 60. It's amazing how fast these guys adjust to things. The ACC DC that we just sat down with, had us laughing our asses off. He was also gracious enough to share what is giving him the most trouble to defend. He was saying how everyone adapts so quickly & why guys are always adding the wrinkles to that they do.

He started complaining about one of the RPO's we run, our HC was giving me the stink eye. So I blurted out SeaHawk, & he goes you guys are already running this. So I had to diagram all 3, he then said no invite for barbecue to his house. Several of my ex players are at his school, 3 Mint Hill players & a LB from here. So we always get a good show when he comes through.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2015, 01:55:45 PM »
Craig

It is definitely a Skype discussion. I'm sure some guys will be able to figure out who it was, but I'd just not rather say. I know him too long to give him up.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2015, 01:55:52 PM »
Can we ask a bigger question

Besides youth...why would anyone wanna defend a spread with bear front or 46?

many reasons---1.we make them throw because we out number them in the box  2. our ends our wide so we get immediate pressure from the edge.  3. most hs qbs struggle to throw with pressure on them  4.  man to man limits confusion in the secondary as each man simply has a man and they cover him...5.  since we are man to man there are an unlimited number of pressure packages we can bring   6. easy to pull the nose and add another safety ans s till get pressure form edge and a have man under two deep(obvious passing downs)   just to name a few reasons

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2015, 01:58:56 PM »
Nick

I know you don't see it that way, & too bad for that. I just spent the last hour on the  white board with an ACC DC. He was showing us all his adjustments to what we do, & telling us how difficult it is to defend. Maybe that's the difference, I am always looking to improve & you are looking to prove.

We got into the whole Power/Read game, & he gave us some idea's that I really like. They have some interesting ways to attack Spread option teams. We have continually been killing our own D on the bend back by the QB. He showed us what they do, they started doing it last season & wow it's nice.

He was saying not many teams do it the way we do(from multiple  sets) & where it presents the problem was exactly what I was saying to you. You have a problem accounting for our QB & the Power, now if your Will stays with the Bubble you have no help & are out the gate. The insert block is a new addition this season. This year we a couple of players who fit the HBack role nicely. So, through trial & error we added the insert & it really cleans things up.

Joe

thats fine and i am sure what you do is succesful but I am just reading what you write and i dont see any great advantage you have over the bear---your schemes are sound but so is the defense--it is even to me--you the one saying you "dominated the bear"---not I---

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2015, 02:00:51 PM »
i will talk to you fine guys later this weekend as I am heading to the weight room and then down to atlantic city!!!!!  8)

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2015, 02:10:20 PM »
Nick

I have said we rarely see a bear look & when we do we tend to put those teams on the clock. Remember now we are talking big boy football.

The other thing I think really causes some confusion here is when you see a "Spread" team it usually isn't anything like what we do. When we see a bear front it usually isn't a very good team.We take large splits & recess our OLine, those wide DE's of yours will never get there because the ball is long gone. Bad "Spread" teams will have smaller splits & your DE can have a field day. Bad "Spread" teams won't have match up problems for you.

It's similar with me facing a DW team, my limited exposure has been to bad teams. Well we dominate bad teams. Does that mean I think the DW is a bad offense? Of course not, it just isn't something we see here.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2015, 02:17:10 PM »
I think the issue here is, where Nick coaches, he sees bad Spread teams. Where Joe coaches, he sees bad bear/46 front teams.

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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2015, 02:18:16 PM »
i will talk to you fine guys later this weekend as I am heading to the weight room and then down to atlantic city!!!!!  8)

Really ...who cares?
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2015, 03:53:28 PM »
Love the 46....eat sleep and drink it....for years. Know it like the back of my own hand.

I would NOT run it at the HS level and beyond. It would be a great goal line or short yardage package and that's it.
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Re: Dealing with a Bear Front
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2015, 03:56:22 PM »
Love the 46....eat sleep and drink it....for years. Know it like the back of my own hand.

I would NOT run it at the HS level and beyond. It would be a great goal line or short yardage package and that's it.
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