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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2016, 10:31:24 PM »
Folks:

This is all excellent material and words to live by. 

Reminder to Youth Coaches.

Adjust your thinking and patterns to the ability of your QB. Also remember to adjust your passes to the number of Safeties. For my Pea Brained thinking the best deep ball is the one where only your guy has an opportunity to catch it!  Against a single safety Chuck a few Deep (relative term) fades and outs, then launch a Sluggo from the slot!

I'm am curious to discover if the back shoulder fade is/was intentional or accidentally discovered due to a short armed QB.    ;)
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2016, 08:43:35 AM »
Joe is the verts master. His qbs hit the receivers at about 17 yards so no way a 3 ball would work. The ball is out fast and much more like a 2 ball. Plus, he is right, down here, in 8a, those "bombs" are easy pickins. Unless you have the better athlete you will lose those throws.

The way I coached it, the throw you describe is what we want for a MOFC pre snap read. The 3 ball is ok for a MOFO read. But Joe's QB is a polished 6'-4" 18 year old. My kid is a work in progress 5-'6" 12 year old.
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2016, 09:01:22 AM »
Matt

That is exactly why I describe the throw as just enough air under it to complete it. It will vary depending on their ability & arm strength. Too often how to adjust things gets overlooked.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2016, 02:57:56 PM »
The way I coached it, the throw you describe is what we want for a MOFC pre snap read. The 3 ball is ok for a MOFO read. But Joe's QB is a polished 6'-4" 18 year old. My kid is a work in progress 5-'6" 12 year old.
You're right. Throwing to the outside receiver in youth ball is going to have more arc because of the athlete involved. I will point out that most of the time we see 1 high. Most as in probably over 80%.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2016, 04:36:46 PM »
You're right. Throwing to the outside receiver in youth ball is going to have more arc because of the athlete involved. I will point out that most of the time we see 1 high. Most as in probably over 80%.

I would have said that as well before this year. I was VERY surprised at how much teams went to 2 high just for us. Even teams that started in 1 high went to 2 pretty quick during the game.
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2016, 06:24:03 PM »
I would have said that as well before this year. I was VERY surprised at how much teams went to 2 high just for us. Even teams that started in 1 high went to 2 pretty quick during the game.
Well, you're running spread. We generally stayed in C3 against most spread teams.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2016, 09:27:19 AM »
We typically only see 2 high in obvious passing situations (3rd / 4th & long, end of half / game, etc.).
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2016, 11:41:03 AM »
We are still probably running C3 in those situations. Obvious passing downs don't scare me one bit unless the opponent is a good passing team. If they are a good passing team, every down is a passing down and we would of game planned for it. I like my chances against 4 verts in C3 against most teams. C4 is something we install as a 4th and forever type thing. We ran some C2 in the past. A good man under C2 would be a challenge in youth to install.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #83 on: March 07, 2016, 09:39:10 AM »
Well, you're running spread. We generally stayed in C3 against most spread teams.

I guess I more expected teams to think like you and stick with their base. I was really surprised how fast they abandoned those plans.

Of course, like you mentioned, it's a tough teach so all of their cover 2's were poorly executed. So, it just made things easier on us when they made the change.
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #84 on: March 07, 2016, 02:55:21 PM »
I guess I more expected teams to think like you and stick with their base. I was really surprised how fast they abandoned those plans.

Of course, like you mentioned, it's a tough teach so all of their cover 2's were poorly executed. So, it just made things easier on us when they made the change.
I think most pass defenses in youth are poorly executed. We stay with our base because that is what we do well. When we ran a C2 it was basically an inverted C2 with a 5-3. Very simple teach. I think when you start adding in man it becomes a difficult install just due to time. By the time we teach our base zone we rarely have time to teach something like man under.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #85 on: March 11, 2016, 07:17:08 AM »
Traditionally the worst coached unit on most Youth teams is the secondary. In the man/zone debate, many simply argue that coaching man makes their easier. There comes an arrogance with saying you won't play 1 high against us. We force teams to adjust or loose.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #86 on: March 11, 2016, 09:43:08 AM »
Traditionally the worst coached unit on most Youth teams is the secondary.

This is the #2 reason I made the move to spread a few years back. The #1 reason is I got to learn the system in Joe's kitchen drinking cappuccinos and eating Mama Nonna's pizza.

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In the man/zone debate, many simply argue that coaching man makes their easier. There comes an arrogance with saying you won't play 1 high against us. We force teams to adjust or loose.

Joe


I agree that's how most youth coaches think. But I would say it's more popular because it's easier for the coaches to understand Man, not the players. Kids pick up zone very fast as long as it's taught well. Of course, everything becomes man eventually but I would argue that just means the lowest common fundamentals are more universal.

Like I said above, my favorite part of coaching this system is when youth teams try to go 2 high and it's poorly coached. It makes running easier and passing is just as easy as it was when they were in their 1 high base. From what I've seen, even well coached teams struggle to be good at both families of coverages in youth.
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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #87 on: March 11, 2016, 04:02:32 PM »
Traditionally the worst coached unit on most Youth teams is the secondary. In the man/zone debate, many simply argue that coaching man makes their easier. There comes an arrogance with saying you won't play 1 high against us. We force teams to adjust or loose.

Joe

I think against a good spread team(one who can run well and pass) I would make you beat me that way(one high that is). I would assume(well, I would know through scouting) that you run well and have a good screen game. Also I would figure that your X and Y are probably your more dangerous receivers. Against you I also know that no matter how I align with my safeties you are going to be able to throw 4 verts. In youth I will make you beat me throwing if I can so I want that extra guy down low. We always ran a 4-4 C3 against spread teams.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #88 on: March 11, 2016, 04:08:22 PM »
Rob

I am in the same thought process as you, but I also never had to play us. The real key is you would have something else prepared.

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Re: QB Basics
« Reply #89 on: March 11, 2016, 04:18:59 PM »
Rob

I am in the same thought process as you, but I also never had to play us. The real key is you would have something else prepared.

Joe

Against really good teams you have to have something else ready. That would depend on your personnel vs. my personnel. However we thought we could match up better. We always worked on other things in practice so if we needed something else it wasn't starting from scratch. It just wouldn't be as good as the base but it might not have to be. And Jeff would of had you scouted weeks ahead and started working other stuff in.  :P He only did that for a special few though. We always used our weeks against weak opponents to work on stuff we thought we might want to use against our good opponents. We never tried to get something game time ready in a week unless it was absolutely necessary.