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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2015, 10:38:54 AM »
Back to being serious.   One thing I am seeing in our mini camp is that on power sweep our wings are really in the alley right now....It seems like an easy 5 yards almost every time we call it.....may be a great play for us this year...

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2015, 10:42:55 AM »
Back to being serious.   One thing I am seeing in our mini camp is that on power sweep our wings are really in the alley right now....It seems like an easy 5 yards almost every time we call it.....may be a great play for us this year...
Sweep was huge for Markham as you probably know. Whatever works.  :)

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2015, 10:44:06 AM »
yea i know it is amazing when I think about it....they are the fastest kids I have ever seen.....Matter of fact one of our wings played baseball (he is the fastest on our team).  The second baseball game of the year he hit a super hard ground ball up the middle and he was running so fast that the ball hit him in the ankle as he was rounding second base....it was amazing!!!

CANT WAIT TO RUN SWEEP

Nick isn't serious- just yankin chains, having fun and everyones falling for it  ::)
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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2015, 10:46:44 AM »
Nick isn't serious- just yankin chains and everyones falling for it  ::)
I have a tendency to jump at Nick and not see he is bating us.

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2015, 10:55:13 AM »
Nick isn't serious- just yankin chains, having fun and everyones falling for it  ::)

well, I am being serious about them being fast---obviously the times and the stories were a joke, but they are very fast and I think our sweep is going to be nice....

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2015, 11:15:04 AM »
well, I am being serious about them being fast---obviously the times and the stories were a joke, but they are very fast and I think our sweep is going to be nice....

Im sure they are- best of luck. Will be fun experience Im sure.

I totally get Steve truely believes in his heart of hearts that the DW is the best offense and works even better when you have great Backs. He has been very consistent about this from as long as Ive known him.
Don Markham definitely proved that great backs can score a boatload of points in that scheme, set national scoring records etc. And Steve has proven he can score lots of points with slower kids with multiple teams.

My thoughts on this is- the more speed you have, the more space is your friend. The more speed we get, the more we run our Single Wing out of Spread SW sets and IF we have kids who can consistently throw and catch- we will throw more. We are always a vertical passing threat team- but get more horizontal in our threats the more speed we have.

The most weve run out of spread in a season- about 40%. Sometimes it's as low as 5%- always depends on the kids.
If space is your enemy when you have little athleticism, DW is a great choice if that is your equation
 Im not sure why space its not your friend when you have speed though

Are you thinking about making some changes due to your fortunes/unusual speed at RB? Nice problem to have
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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2015, 11:26:46 AM »
The thing about playing in a phone booth with speed is if they bust out of that booth it is 6 points. The question is will those speedsters be tough enough to break through all those bodies at the poa. If so, they should be able to score some points.

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #37 on: June 16, 2015, 11:29:44 AM »
Im sure they are- best of luck. Will be fun experience Im sure.

I totally get Steve truely believes in his heart of hearts that the DW is the best offense and works even better when you have great Backs. He has been very consistent about this from as long as Ive known him.
Don Markham definitely proved that great backs can score a boatload of points in that scheme, set national scoring records etc. And Steve has proven he can score lots of points with slower kids with multiple teams.

My thoughts on this is- the more speed you have, the more space is your friend. The more speed we get, the more we run our Single Wing out of Spread SW sets and IF we have kids who can consistently throw and catch- we will throw more. We are always a vertical passing threat team- but get more horizontal in our threats the more speed we have.

The most weve run out of spread in a season- about 40%. Sometimes it's as low as 5%- always depends on the kids.
If space is your enemy when you have little athleticism, DW is a great choice if that is your equation
 Im not sure why space its not your friend when you have speed though

Are you thinking about making some changes due to your fortunes/unusual speed at RB? Nice problem to have

nope no changes we will run the system....sprint sweep and power sweep get us in plenty of space....we are still going to base our offense out of power and trap but we will take sweep when it is there......counters off of seep and power look real good too....way intil you see our fb!!! sophomore--big and fast!!!

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #38 on: June 16, 2015, 11:30:56 AM »
Rob

I totally get that if everyone on the D is packed in really tight within 5-6 yards of the LOS and right off the outside shoulders of the WBs- like Ive seen some guys play against the DW
Im just not sure everyone plays D that way against the DW- especially if Nick has all the speed he's been talking about
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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #39 on: June 16, 2015, 11:33:08 AM »
nope no changes we will run the system....sprint sweep and power sweep get us in plenty of space....we are still going to base our offense out of power and trap but we will take sweep when it is there......counters off of seep and power look real good too....way intil you see our fb!!! sophomore--big and fast!!!

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2015, 11:42:12 AM »
Reading post from Steve it is clear that he understands that you need to strectch the field now and then to keep the d honest. So he installed 4 verts and it worked well for him. So the safeties and corners end up backing off a bit and the off tackle stuff works a little better. Any good coach gets that for sure.  With that in mind and with Nick having some speed I think he should have success with sweep as long as he can make power work, or vica versa, either approach has merit. Sometimes the long runs because a fast kid shoots out of the blob of bodies at the poa like a cannon and they catch the secondary coming forward.

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2015, 12:08:28 PM »
Rob

I hear you, even when you don't have a great passing threat, you need to appear like you may
For us, we constrain a defense via the pass threat or implied one- depending on what we have for talent

Im just not sure 4 Verts from a compressed formation makes the most sense
The results are the results, so if Steve is making it work, great

However I see very fast DBs being able to make plays on more than 1 receiver when compressed and with many 4 verts concepts
The only 4 vert concept I run- we do it out of spread and I want to get as much spacing as possible- as much distance as we can get and have the ability to legitimately make the throws
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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2015, 12:38:36 PM »
Rob

I hear you, even when you don't have a great passing threat, you need to appear like you may
For us, we constrain a defense via the pass threat or implied one- depending on what we have for talent

Im just not sure 4 Verts from a compressed formation makes the most sense
The results are the results, so if Steve is making it work, great

However I see very fast DBs being able to make plays on more than 1 receiver when compressed and with many 4 verts concepts
The only 4 vert concept I run- we do it out of spread and I want to get as much spacing as possible- as much distance as we can get and have the ability to legitimately make the throws
4 verts certainly isn't our choice from dtdw either but if it works for someone who am I to say otherwise. I like getting guys wide quickly personally and we use our te probably more than most from dtdw.

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2015, 01:36:57 PM »
Rob

I totally get that if everyone on the D is packed in really tight within 5-6 yards of the LOS and right off the outside shoulders of the WBs- like Ive seen some guys play against the DW
Im just not sure everyone plays D that way against the DW- especially if Nick has all the speed he's been talking about

THEN WE RUN POWER, BLAST ETC...

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Re: fast good backs? not a great line?
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2015, 01:39:39 PM »
Rob

I hear you, even when you don't have a great passing threat, you need to appear like you may
For us, we constrain a defense via the pass threat or implied one- depending on what we have for talent

Im just not sure 4 Verts from a compressed formation makes the most sense
The results are the results, so if Steve is making it work, great

However I see very fast DBs being able to make plays on more than 1 receiver when compressed and with many 4 verts concepts
The only 4 vert concept I run- we do it out of spread and I want to get as much spacing as possible- as much distance as we can get and have the ability to legitimately make the throws

WE USE LANDMARKS FOR OUR 4 VERTS....the wings get width NOW and get to the top of the numbers...te's get very slight width and run up the seams....country cover 3 cant cover it----