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Offline str8outtajerzy

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2015, 11:49:50 PM »
I knew this to be a tough question for he DC 46 to answer...the answer would probably be some game time adjustment. That being said a tilted DT does not stop my guard from meeting him half way and creating a stalemate, also doesnt stop my T from folding inside.

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I know that this is an old topic, but it's new to me. The Tilted DT absolutely stops your tackle from folding inside, remember the objective of the DT is to hit the Guard with so much force that he actually closes the A Gap, with him already tilted and your guard facing straight ahead I'd say advantage defense, so where exactly does your tackle fold to when there is no gap to go through?

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2015, 08:36:18 AM »
In tubbys book the Rev and blue we're designed for 2 reasons...1. Muddy reads , there used to be more to the wing then away. 2. The false sence of 4 verticle

It was not intended to be jet sweeped from.

Having coached with guys who were coached by tubby at delaware...there's only a few things that can slow a wing t and I've said the most common way multiple times
Can you say those things again? I'm a horrible listener... I'm even worse at reading.

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2015, 08:51:35 AM »
man you guys really to get on tangents....from the dc 46 what stunts and blitzes do you like ?   do you like verse counter xx....let us stay on topic please...thanks
I thing about counter is that if your defensive end does a good job of closing it down, the play will be stopped up in the gap, especially since it takes a while for the backfield action. Since the DE in the DC 46 wants to spill, just have him spill. The wing back will probably just try to go inside anyway. If it's really a threat you can have your OLBs cross key. Then you've at least got a man for every one of their men.

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2015, 08:54:17 AM »
dc-46 vs the wing T is the topic, so discussing different facets of either would be well within forum etiquette.  Bringing up the rarity of the wing T and/or dc46 is very much on topic, therefor on par with common thread protocol.

Sense I am a wing T minded coach and the dc46 is a highly successful defense...answer me this, how does the DC46 defend the GUT blocking cue? GUT as you may recall is the guard blocking out and the tackle folding back inside up thru to LB. I can add GUT to most any run plays targeting the 1 thru 4 holes.

here are some

32/43 wing trap 
23/24 
23/24 lead
21/22 counter

I can also call GUT for
T & TE
TE & Wing

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Gut can be called on even more than that. My understanding was that the gut call was for the guards, but my basic understanding was that it meant that the first puller would loop up field and wall off while the second puller kicked out. I never really understood why gut would be called.

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2015, 02:08:29 PM »
OK the traditional GUT play call is the bsg pulling behind center and going up to LB (as far as I know) My GUT cue stands for Guard Under Tackle G.U.T. - where the guard blocks out 1st then the tackle pulls behind this out block and blocks down on defender - if there is no defender then he shoots up to FBI. So my GUT is not the traditional.

I have another cue that pulls backside guard to block up thru designated hole mimicking the traditional GUT. 1 year I added the bsg on all my "power" calls, then I just used "G" which the kids eventually renamed George...so it was George 1 year

I have since broadened the GUT cue from the guard blocking out 1st then T blocking back to all holes. The inside man kicks out 1st te outside linemen pulls behind so I could run it with C & G, G & T, T & TE or T & wing, TE & wing or TE and SE if I am in TIGHT formation.

FYI: I also added cross & gut to my hitch screen when I had trips...

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2015, 01:17:14 AM »
Can you say those things again? I'm a horrible listener... I'm even worse at reading.

Cross key with inverts
3 tech maintains b gap if guard pulls trail and seek the runner...even on gut (false pull)
Quick nose tackle
MLB must east the fb (if 2 mlbs key guards or key near back)

It's not gonna stop wing t...I find scheme only helps, if they don't see the plays in practice and are walked through them it's useless.

The old high school I coached for shut out a wing t team (top of divison) this past  fall with cross keying and a weird safety fire they came up with
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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2015, 03:46:20 PM »
Cross key with inverts
3 tech maintains b gap if guard pulls trail and seek the runner...even on gut (false pull)
Quick nose tackle
MLB must east the fb (if 2 mlbs key guards or key near back)

It's not gonna stop wing t...I find scheme only helps, if they don't see the plays in practice and are walked through them it's useless.

The old high school I coached for shut out a wing t team (top of divison) this past  fall with cross keying and a weird safety fire they came up with
I can see how those three things would cause problems for the offense. I would add that DE's that are either really good or give a muddy read are difficult to defend against. Defenses that run plays that cause them to be inconsistent often make it more difficult. Messing with our center and the middle can cause some havoc. Penetration will kill the sweep. Stuns are confusing. So are alignments that we're not used to seeing. Team's that tackle well in the secondary are tough because we score more slowly and less often.

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2015, 05:30:36 PM »
teams that sit back and play disciplined football....just my opinion here but are doing exactly what the wing T wants

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Re: stopping wing t counter xx
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2015, 08:56:35 AM »
teams that sit back and play disciplined football....just my opinion here but are doing exactly what the wing T wants
The Wing T is all about moving people laterally away from the play. I think that a team that sits and plays disciplined football is can definitely cause problems if they aren't moved out of the hole. If a team penetrates, they can cause problems if they are actually able to penetrate. I think that the method of sitting is much more forgiving.