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Punt Team
« on: July 12, 2015, 11:39:50 AM »
How did you align your Punt Team at 14U and what was Punter depth? What were your main coaching points on Punt Team?

Also, what were your favorite fake punts?
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2015, 10:33:18 AM »
How did you align your Punt Team at 14U and what was Punter depth? What were your main coaching points on Punt Team?We had 2 things at 14u that really determined our punt team. First we always had a great snapper, it's something we worked on everyday. Second we usually had a pretty good punter, these 2 things allowed us to put the punter at 15 yds deep.

Also, what were your favorite fake punts?We would need pages upon pages I have so many!

In youth the simplest punt to use is what I call Syracuse. We line up with 2 SE's who are the gunners going directly to the football. Our Guards take a normal large split(you will see why in a second) & the tackles a medium split. After the snap the center will not block but release to cover. Usually our snapper is an ILB for us so they are decent cover guys. The guards & tackles will block their outside gap, we want them to kick slide as if in pass pro. Once the ball is kicked they will widen & run their lane. The 3 backs will align 4yds behind the guards with one man behind another. The stacked back usually calls the signals, on the snap he will fill for the center, the other two back must each take an A gap. Once the ball is kicked the stacked back will run the center of the field, the 2 up backs will become contain players & the punter the FS.

It becomes easy to adjust against a team trying to run a 9 or 10 up punt block by making a tight call & bringing in the SE's. We always use a 2pt stance & make sure we can punch to our outside.

The HS I coach at now is well known for fake punts. We have run 4 different fake punts in a single game. Everything from a simple pass to the hidden WR. The thinking behind running so many fakes is very simple. Nothing changes a game faster than having a punt blocked. When we are in district play every team has seen us run a fake on film. This makes them leery of sending a heavy rush. Now, it is easier for us to punt & cover.

If you are using a Syracuse punt the easiest fake is the inside/out fake. The inside part is simple, snap to the stack back & run straight ahead with the 2 backs leading. The out is he runs speed option with the punter. That then leaves the Out Pass as your third fake he runs like speed option & throws a speed out the SE.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 09:21:04 AM »

The 3 backs will align 4yds behind the guards with one man behind another. The stacked back usually calls the signals, on the snap he will fill for the center, the other two back must each take an A gap. Once the ball is kicked the stacked back will run the center of the field, the 2 up backs will become contain players & the punter the FS.


Joe - the up backs are at 4 yards - what depth is the stacked back? Which side does the stacked back align behind - does it depend on the punter's strong foot?
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 09:12:54 AM »
Joe - the up backs are at 4 yards - what depth is the stacked back? Which side does the stacked back align behind - does it depend on the punter's strong foot?Usually Strong foot but he is filling directly over the center. He is at 6 yds
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 04:51:03 PM »
Any suggestions on the long snap? My best snapper (who plays Mike) is pretty consistent from 10 yards but struggling from 15...

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 07:40:14 PM »
Any suggestions on the long snap? My best snapper (who plays Mike) is pretty consistent from 10 yards but struggling from 15...I always love having a LB as the snapper, he makes a great cover guy & I always release him on the snap. Having trouble getting the ball back at 14 means he isn't using his legs & hips.

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Check if he is using his hips & snapping his legs up on the snap. It sounds to me like he is leaving his legs out of the snap.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 12:03:21 AM »
How did you align your Punt Team at 14U and what was Punter depth? What were your main coaching points on Punt Team?

Also, what were your favorite fake punts?

GP

4x1 Gun quick kick. No wasted time teaching long snapping while you hold your breath.  ???

Right footed kicker align quads to the right...kick right-ish....now you have 4 gunners and have surprised the D. You will nail a few 60+ yard punts doing this.

Fake punt....run or pass when the D drops 2 or 3 deep for the punt.
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2015, 12:41:30 PM »
Mike

While I agree that for for smurfs that's a fine idea, it isn't sound for 14U's. Once players hit 12 you really need a punting plan, even if it's to never punt. Lining up in shotgun for all your punts with no back we would have scouted it & blocked the punt.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2015, 05:33:53 PM »
How did you align your Punt Team at 14U and what was Punter depth? What were your main coaching points on Punt Team?

Also, what were your favorite fake punts?
My favorite and only punt formation is the DC Fake Punt. It's in his DC Wing T playbook.

98% of the time we actually punt the ball to nobody. I've had teams that average over 35 yards of field position, and we don't typically have our punter fumble the ball. It makes as much sense as kicking onside every time.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2015, 05:43:07 PM »
Mike

While I agree that for for smurfs that's a fine idea, it isn't sound for 14U's. Once players hit 12 you really need a punting plan, even if it's to never punt. Lining up in shotgun for all your punts with no back we would have scouted it & blocked the punt.

Joe

You think that, but I agree with Mike.

Here's the logic:
- If you put someone deep to return the punt you are putting one less player into coverage/run stopping
- With 5 receivers to cover, you are likely only left with 5 players in the box and suddenly I have everyone blocked
- If you only use 4 players in coverage, then I have an uncovered receiver
- If you don't send someone deep to return the punt, then I will kick it over your head

Math is always on your side. Your best bet is to rush 6 and cover with 5 so that you can block it, but we're good at getting the punt off in less than 2 seconds.



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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2015, 06:41:48 PM »
Kyle

5 can't block 6, 5 can cover 5 oops you are in trouble! That is Joe math.

The point is if you are going to punt do it the best way you can. That doesn't mean not use to the shot gun idea, but 4th & 14 from your 4 game on the line is that really what you want to do? I come from the old school coaching mentality. We kick, we play defense, these things are important. If you are coaching older players than coach them accordingly.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2015, 07:07:52 PM »
Mike

While I agree that for for smurfs that's a fine idea, it isn't sound for 14U's. Once players hit 12 you really need a punting plan, even if it's to never punt. Lining up in shotgun for all your punts with no back we would have scouted it & blocked the punt.

Joe


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Learned the 5 wide quick kick coaching semi pros.

Works fantastic....BUT...you have to run a little 5 wide to make it work.  :)

Heck....quick kick outta 3x1.

We've quick kicked out of Beast before.
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 08:37:43 PM »
Mike

Again, quick kick is one thing punting is another. What happens on that 4th & 14 from the 4? I think the issue that gets lost is against most teams it will be effective, but you really need it against good to very good teams. That is where the problem arises.

When I coached Youth I never worried what worked against poor opponents only what we needed to do against the best. It was like practicing defending Trap. We didn't see Trap till the regional's yet we were prepared because it made us better.

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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2015, 09:16:24 PM »
Mike

Again, quick kick is one thing punting is another. What happens on that 4th & 14 from the 4? I think the issue that gets lost is against most teams it will be effective, but you really need it against good to very good teams. That is where the problem arises.

When I coached Youth I never worried what worked against poor opponents only what we needed to do against the best. It was like practicing defending Trap. We didn't see Trap till the regional's yet we were prepared because it made us better.

Joe


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4th & 14 from the 4?

Run outta the back of the endzone and free kick from the 20 :)

Hey...Im with you...traditional punting has its place and can get you outta trouble.
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Re: Punt Team
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2015, 09:35:17 PM »
Joe

4th & 14 from the 4?

Run outta the back of the endzone and free kick from the 20 :)Up by 1 with 3 minutes left you op for the safety?

Hey...Im with you...traditional punting has its place and can get you outta trouble.

Mike

Seriously, at the younger ages I know many who argue not punting is the wisest choice. Once you start dealing with the ages where coaching really can make a difference, the entire kicking game becomes just as important as offense or defense.

My first year as HC of the 16's (I was young & following a legend) we went to play our arch rivals. We had a 4th & 2 from mid field. I elected to go for it. We made the first down & went on to score. After the game my mentor called me aside from the bus. Here I am thinking he is going to congratulate me on beating the arch rival. Instead he chews me out for not punting. He said you are much better than those guys, so be better & punt.

Joe
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