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Offline Michael ODonnell

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Alignment basics of 4-4
« on: July 17, 2015, 10:01:06 AM »
Joe,

I apologize if I have missed this discusion thread but could you outline the basics of your 4-4 alignment? Are you a true split middle with a pair of three technique DTs or are you aligned in a "3" technique to one side and a shaded DT on the center or in a 2i on the offensive guard? Secondly, where are you typically playing your OLBs? Are they typically off the LOS? Thirdly, where are you aligning your ILBs - in a 20 alignment or will they vary how they align?

Lastly, you have stated that you used to be in a 50 front (and maybe some other fronts as well). What was your reasoning for changing to the 4-4? Would you say you are truly a 4-4 type of team or more of a 4-2-5? I see the biggest difference between the two being that the 4-4 has a pair of OLB type players committed to being primary run stoppers while the 4-2-5 has a pair of Rovers who are more like DBs.

Thanks for the information.

Mike
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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 10:30:00 AM »
Mike

Wow, where do I start. I think a phone call would be best Pm me for my number. I will give a general outline here.

We played a slanting 50 Monster for many years & had great success with it. Over the years 2 things were very apparent. First it was very coaching intensive, I needed AC's who could coach & understood what we were trying to do. Second it required a pretty high FBI from my players in order to make all the adjustments needed. I had tried several times to integrate a 44 look & to be honest didn't do a great job of coaching it. I actually was over coaching it & over thinking it. I then started coaching here in Florida with a very good coach he showed me how I was over complicating things & how to fix things when they broke. This evolved to the 44 I took to Mint Hill.

Our base alignments are:
DT's- 3 & 1
DE's- 6I vs TE 5 vs Open
M- 20
W-40
S- 90 1x2 off EMOL
R- 80 3x3 off EMOL

Secondary base coverage is a rotating C3.

This is more of a true 44 than 4-2-5 although the Ram tends to be a hybrid player. The other thing is at a minimum we will flop all 4 backers & play Field & Boundary corners.

I hope that helps I do realize it is only a taste.

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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2015, 01:29:51 AM »
Joe,

How do you typically align your 4-4 vs a spread shotgun team that utilizes 2x2, 3x1, and 3x2 receiver sets? Their basic running plays are QB iso into the B gap area, the tackle trap power play to the RB, and the speed option between the QB and the RB. Their QB is a solid D1 prospect as a thrower and runner. Thanks.
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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2015, 12:20:53 PM »
Joe,

How do you typically align your 4-4 vs a spread shotgun team that utilizes 2x2, 3x1, and 3x2 receiver sets? Their basic running plays are QB iso into the B gap area, the tackle trap power play to the RB, and the speed option between the QB and the RB. Their QB is a solid D1 prospect as a thrower and runner. Thanks.


Mike

Traditionally we play 31 opposite the back(3 technique & 1 technique), this is to make it difficult on the Zone teams. If QB iso is their best play then go 13 opposite the back.

VS 2x2 you need a few different looks. We start regular with the OLB's having inside leverage on the slots about 3 yds off the ball. If they are a good Bubble team you will need adjustments.

3x1 we play 1/4,1/4, half in the secondary & will either bump our backers or make a rover call which puts our 2 OLB's to the trips side.

Empty you have to make a choice. I believe 5 can't block 6.

Joe
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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2015, 01:19:50 PM »
Hey coach Joe,

Good stuff!!!  Listen would it be fair to say you are pretty simple in your 44 ?  seems like it--fundamentals intensive with a few looks in order to have the  kids play fast?

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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2015, 06:26:44 PM »
Hey coach Joe,

Good stuff!!!  Listen would it be fair to say you are pretty simple in your 44 ?  seems like it--fundamentals intensive with a few looks in order to have the  kids play fast?


Nick

I loved the 4-4 at the Youth level for that very reason. We tackled very well & were sound. Now, there was times we were a lot more complex, but usually we used complexity to hide a weakness.

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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2015, 10:59:33 PM »
Joe,

How do you align your base 4-4 vs a tight (nasty - 2 yard) split? I am concerned about a pretty large hole in the off-tackle area. What front adjustments do you make vs two TE sets? Thanks.
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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2015, 01:07:05 AM »
We are using JR TITANS Split 4-4 as Base this season. 

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Re: Alignment basics of 4-4
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2015, 11:23:20 AM »
Joe,

How do you align your base 4-4 vs a tight (nasty - 2 yard) split? I am concerned about a pretty large hole in the off-tackle area. What front adjustments do you make vs two TE sets? Thanks.


Mike

It really depends on what the opponent is doing with the Nasty Split, we have several adjustments. If they are balanced & Nasty we may play 22 Tight where the DE move to 5 tech & Sam & Ram(OLB's) walk up. If it's to the Wide side/Strong side we may play 31 Wide & place the DE outside the Nasty & bump the backers to the Hole.

Joe
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