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DB Run Support
« on: September 22, 2015, 07:09:47 PM »
Joe,

We discussed what the DBs do vs Fast Flow but what do they do in Ball On and Off the line? Obviously it's a backpedal & pass read first but then what?
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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 09:55:46 AM »
Greg

Ball Off the line is either going to be a run off tackle to inside or a play action pass.

Ball On the line is Option or PAP

As the DB takes his 3 steps he reads this, Ball off the line the corners look to #1 & the FS to #2. If they get a pass release they keep gaining depth. They do not collapse on the ball until the ball crosses the LOS.

Ball on the Line again he see's this during his 3 read steps he now looks to his option key & reacts accordingly. In youth ball you don't worry about option keys because at best you will see speed option.

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2016, 01:01:24 PM »
Here is the the Rotating C3 Power Point.

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2016, 11:16:49 PM »
Joe.

Just asking.  I teach my Zone Corners to read the OT at the Youth Level.  3 drop steps reading same.  I feel I accomplish better run support 99% of the time simply reading the OT.  If they come forward its Run.  If they stand up or drop off, its Pass. 

Its not be all end all but the basis of what I teach for simplicity reasons. 

What say you for the Youth Game?

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 07:50:58 AM »
Dusty

A couple of issues exist trying to teach High Hat & run reads at the Youth level & even at HS. Every lineman stands straight up out goes the High Hat. We teach the 3 reads; Ball on the line, Ball off the line, & Fast flow. It's very easy to recognize & eliminates an confusion.

Now, we do teach our OLB's to read EMOL to the near back. That is a different set of reads.

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2016, 10:20:40 AM »
Ball on the line, Ball off the line, & Fast flow. It's very easy to recognize & eliminates an confusion.
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Can you explain Ball on the line, Ball off the line, & Fast flow?

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2016, 10:46:06 AM »
Ronnie

UTC ball on the line can only be option

UTC ball off the Line  can be pass play pass or a deep hand off which we still play as a pass.

UTC fast flow think Toss Sweep, Jet etc.

Pistol or Gun it simply becomes ball off the line (the ball is going backwards).

I hope that makes sense.

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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2016, 10:47:38 AM »
I use Clark's KB reads for my corners and safeties. The only change I made was, I have my OLBs reading a TE. It worked very well, unless the coverage technique was bad. I would have kids stop in their tracks as soon as they seen the ball in the air. I don't know why that happened, but I know what I have to spend more time on.
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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2016, 11:24:59 PM »
E:

Generally speaking Coverage Break downs happen:

A)  When the DB's are flat footed like Fence Posts.
B) When DB's constantly sneak peaks or stare into the backfield. 

I respect Joe (MH) a TON.  One thing comes to mind when talking about DB's.  They are 100% Pass first.  As such, right or wrong, they are responsible to acquiesce to their first responsibility, in spite, of the Run! 

Chuck, Jam, Drop Step, etc...Then read the play.  I get Hi Hat, Low Hat, and agree with Joe.  Yet I go back to my "rudimentary" read to start from. If the OTackle drops off the LOS its pass. If the OTackle comes across the LOS, it's Run!  That's my Cover 3, Zone mentality.  Yet, I have played a ton of Tampa 2 with Jacks Defense and simply said throw it before I get there! Essentially a Tight Corner Blitz from Both Sides!   

IOW, prove to me you can pass consistently and I might let up on the running game! 
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Re: DB Run Support
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 12:52:17 PM »
I think the real issue of the type of reads you use depends on the coverage's. In our rotating C3, we are looking to play pass first & foremost. Now, when we play another coverage the reads will vary. The thing is we change coverage to fit our opponent as well as down & distance.

The most important thing in Youth Football is to get the Defense to play fast, I always want our guys reading on the run. This is why we teach read steps. If on the snap of the ball anyone on our defense is flat footed then it's a problem. The problem is coaching & we have to fix it.

In some years we would play 3Bail, where the corners walk up & bail on the cadence. Coaches think we are doing this to confuse the offense, the real reason is get the corners moving so they can take their read steps. Playing defense isn't always about the offense as it is about getting your players to do the right thing.

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