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Head up on Tackle
« on: November 18, 2015, 08:10:05 PM »
Ok, let's see if I can even explain this right:  one opponent I have every season is a team that runs a 4-4 with a 1 or 2i and a 4 both sides (that's what I'm calling an A gap defender and an end heads up on the tackle.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.)  The 4 is usually their best athlete with an attitude and very difficult to block.  Running Zone, how would I block this front?  Do I start there with a Tiger call?  What if I'm in Ace or Trips - I'm guessing that makes the Tiger call impossible?  (or do we even run Zone without the H nearby?)  And if we end up with Gator, the center has a tough job on that A gap guy especially if he's inside shade of the RG?

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 08:24:18 PM »
Ok, let's see if I can even explain this right:  one opponent I have every season is a team that runs a 4-4 with a 1 or 2i and a 4 both sides (that's what I'm calling an A gap defender and an end heads up on the tackle.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.)  The 4 is usually their best athlete with an attitude and very difficult to block.  Running Zone, how would I block this front?  Do I start there with a Tiger call?  What if I'm in Ace or Trips - I'm guessing that makes the Tiger call impossible?  (or do we even run Zone without the H nearby?)  And if we end up with Gator, the center has a tough job on that A gap guy especially if he's inside shade of the RG?
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I'm not sure where the D is exactly lining up. What it sounds like is Double 1's(or 2I) then double 4's. Are the 4's 2 gapping? Where are the LB's aligned? If it's the way I am thinking you have several different options on how to block it. What do they do to Jack? There are a lot of ways to attack this front. A phone call would probably be best.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2015, 08:27:53 PM »
Does your OT have an attitude?
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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 01:29:01 AM »
I don't know how the LBs would align to this.  Whenever I've played them it's been from UBSW or base WingT.  You are correct, they are double 2i and double 4, and the 4 I believe is 2 gapping.

I've read every post in this forum page, listened to all the podcasts, and I'm testing what I've learned by trying to game plan against the toughest defense I see.  I appreciate the offer to talk, will take you up on that soon. I think  I'm at the limit of what I can get from the forum.

Michael - I dream about a season with OTs with bad attitudes, but sadly, not yet.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 07:52:05 AM »
A

I would assume the ILB's are either in 20's or 30's with the 30's being more likely. The OLB's are the key here, I am thinking either 80's or 90's. I would think they are either Force or Contain. We would start with a Tiger to the Play side backer & a Cougar to the Back Side backer. The left side would simply Zone to the play. In this scenario both OLB's are unblocked, we often did this having our back run under them. If the play side OLB is making plays now you have several options to block him.

1) Formation to get an extra blocker to that side.
2) Motion to get a kick man
3) Call a Cougar now the C must block the play side 1 alone.

I hope that all makes sense.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 08:08:13 AM »
Michael - I dream about a season with OTs with bad attitudes, but sadly, not yet.

I don't think I've ever had a season in which they didn't.

There are things you can do.
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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 08:37:44 AM »
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This is where so often Youth Coaches play the wrong players on the OLINE. My Guards will always have attitude over size every time. Most times these players were FB's or RB's on any other team. I look for athletes to my Tackles.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 11:55:44 AM »
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I would assume the ILB's are either in 20's or 30's with the 30's being more likely. The OLB's are the key here, I am thinking either 80's or 90's. I would think they are either Force or Contain. We would start with a Tiger to the Play side backer & a Cougar to the Back Side backer. The left side would simply Zone to the play. In this scenario both OLB's are unblocked, we often did this having our back run under them. If the play side OLB is making plays now you have several options to block him.

1) Formation to get an extra blocker to that side.
2) Motion to get a kick man
3) Call a Cougar now the C must block the play side 1 alone. Do you mean Gator?

I hope that all makes sense.

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It is making sense.  I think I'm starting to get it.  My next questions would be about the O line technique, and specifically how to handle the 2-gapper or the heads up guy who slants one way or the other.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 12:08:07 PM »
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This is where so often Youth Coaches play the wrong players on the OLINE. My Guards will always have attitude over size every time. Most times these players were FB's or RB's on any other team. I look for athletes to my Tackles.

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I'm trying to imagine a way around the drama that comes with running better athletes at O line.  I tried to do it this year, but it led to unmotivated blockers and pissed off parents.  But then, this year was interesting.

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Re: Head up on Tackle
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 05:17:21 PM »
I'm trying to imagine a way around the drama that comes with running better athletes at O line.  I tried to do it this year, but it led to unmotivated blockers and pissed off parents.  But then, this year was interesting.Drama... hmmmm never had any drama..... then again our record took care of that.

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Most times our coaches didn't have a son on the team, & the fact that we won made all the drama disappear. Honesty always worked for us, we told our players just how important the OLINE was, & we meant it. We always made scoring a team thing never a me thing. I would tell a player would you rather start both ways or be the 3rd string RB. If they answered the later I probably didn't want them on my team.

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