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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 04:32:37 PM »
I figure that since I now have a year to think about things, I would start now. I've been seriously wanting to do something with megasplits, but I also wanted something that was power run oriented. I was on Youtube and saw the videos of this offense and really liked what I saw. I see John tried getting hold of Coach Bishop. I was able to this morning by emailing him at his school. He sells playbook and video wih installs and drills for a very modest $125. Definitely something I'll be getting more info on.

It's a little hard to tell, but the old Wishbone Double Dive series that Bob Christmas majors in was pretty basic up front.  A lot of those teams just started with a man scheme and declared "0" as the first man head up or backside of the C to get them moving that way.  That would give them a veer scheme (or a base against a 5-2).  Then they have the PSHB kick the DE.

They'd look to give it to the FB hitting the A or B gap bubble if the MLB isn't honoring the fake, but the real magic is the 2nd back off tackle behind the kickout.  Then run the QB Keep if the CB is falling in.  The Trap was a backside counter for when the BSLB was flying over too fast.  There was also a playside pop pass off it.  The keys to the whole thing were good rides and fakes by the QB and backs not getting the ball, as well as the OL techniques--they need to fire out hard and attack thighboards on good angles, not chest bump.  It's a true team offense and very deceptive.

It was originally designed to compliment the Wishbone Veer, but you can get a nice "steamroller" offense off it with other plays like Double Iso, Counter Iso, Toss Sweep, and Bootleg.  The whole offense only needs like 4 run blocking schemes (base, veer, reach, trap) for a ton of looks, with 1-2 pass protection and a very basic passing game.  For formations, you really need a 3 back set to run the base double dive series, but a lot of these teams would motion the HB out in a "broken bone" to get a twins or pro set for passing situations.  If you want to reverse engineer it, it's not hard.

Not sure if that's exactly what Christmas is running, but it could be.  I loved watching that film.  You could make it a pure track scheme and be OK.

Also... that field isn't white.  It's just dormant bermuda grass, which turns a pale straw color.  All of our grass fields look like that around here by late October when the frost hits, since it's the only turf grass that can stand our summer heat :)  Painting the lines in black looks great on it once it goes dormant.
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 10:36:45 AM »
It's a little hard to tell, but the old Wishbone Double Dive series that Bob Christmas majors in was pretty basic up front.  A lot of those teams just started with a man scheme and declared "0" as the first man head up or backside of the C to get them moving that way.  That would give them a veer scheme (or a base against a 5-2).  Then they have the PSHB kick the DE.

They'd look to give it to the FB hitting the A or B gap bubble if the MLB isn't honoring the fake, but the real magic is the 2nd back off tackle behind the kickout.  Then run the QB Keep if the CB is falling in.  The Trap was a backside counter for when the BSLB was flying over too fast.  There was also a playside pop pass off it.  The keys to the whole thing were good rides and fakes by the QB and backs not getting the ball, as well as the OL techniques--they need to fire out hard and attack thighboards on good angles, not chest bump.  It's a true team offense and very deceptive.

It was originally designed to compliment the Wishbone Veer, but you can get a nice "steamroller" offense off it with other plays like Double Iso, Counter Iso, Toss Sweep, and Bootleg.  The whole offense only needs like 4 run blocking schemes (base, veer, reach, trap) for a ton of looks, with 1-2 pass protection and a very basic passing game.  For formations, you really need a 3 back set to run the base double dive series, but a lot of these teams would motion the HB out in a "broken bone" to get a twins or pro set for passing situations.  If you want to reverse engineer it, it's not hard.

Not sure if that's exactly what Christmas is running, but it could be.  I loved watching that film.  You could make it a pure track scheme and be OK.

Also... that field isn't white.  It's just dormant bermuda grass, which turns a pale straw color.  All of our grass fields look like that around here by late October when the frost hits, since it's the only turf grass that can stand our summer heat :)  Painting the lines in black looks great on it once it goes dormant.
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 11:03:19 AM »
He sells playbook and video wih installs and drills for a very modest $125. Definitely something I'll be getting more info on.

Whoa, careful now Vince!  You're gonna exceed your football budget!  ;)

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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 11:15:21 AM »
Whoa, careful now Vince!  You're gonna exceed your football budget!  ;)

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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 11:45:40 AM »
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 10:34:35 AM »
General point of "mega" or "Michael splits" ... if the ball isnt gonna hit the los fast youre asking for trouble under center. Learned that the hard way trying to megasplit eco.

The stances and mindset of the online become speed and getting a great shot on the defender assigned. Its actually theoretically easier imo. Fire of fast hit and maybe step into a block amd have the ball carrier pass you. Sounds like 2 secs tops of actual technique. Which could be useful for folks who cant stalemate or run defenders laterally.
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 09:50:58 AM »
Just so we can get some scheme based football talk going posting on any and all subjects that i've tinkered with. Obviously over the course of 17 year's ive expieremented with a lot of different schemes and the Wishbone was what i thought i was gonna light the world on fire with in the early 2000's. Boy what a disaster. This is one of those deals if you not running the option your handcuffed. There only so much DOUBLE ISO you can run,and only so many times you can go to THE well with cross buck ctr. What happen's when they key you up what formation's are you gonna go to to change the picture ? Are you thinking about adding option ? What size split's you going with because out of all schemes out there this is the 1 were your gonna need at least 2 feet ? How will you attack the edge if option is not do able ? These are all the variables i'd run my self thru before i mess with anything.
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 12:46:00 PM »
Just so we can get some scheme based football talk going posting on any and all subjects that i've tinkered with. Obviously over the course of 17 year's ive expieremented with a lot of different schemes and the Wishbone was what i thought i was gonna light the world on fire with in the early 2000's. Boy what a disaster. This is one of those deals if you not running the option your handcuffed. There only so much DOUBLE ISO you can run,and only so many times you can go to THE well with cross buck ctr. What happen's when they key you up what formation's are you gonna go to to change the picture ? Are you thinking about adding option ? What size split's you going with because out of all schemes out there this is the 1 were your gonna need at least 2 feet ? How will you attack the edge if option is not do able ? These are all the variables i'd run my self thru before i mess with anything.

Coach, I have to disagree. The bone can be just as effective without option. I was following Smith Center (KS) during Roger Barta's  four year run running the belly bone as well as Statesboro (GA) running double Iso to multiple state championships. There is no holy grail offense. Just the one you know the best.  As far as the edge, believe me, if you can establish the FB dive on the inside belly series the second man and QB keep will open up big time. 
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 01:40:56 PM »
Coach, I have to disagree. The bone can be just as effective without option. I was following Smith Center (KS) during Roger Barta's  four year run running the belly bone as well as Statesboro (GA) running double Iso to multiple state championships. There is no holy grail offense. Just the one you know the best.  As far as the edge, believe me, if you can establish the FB dive on the inside belly series the second man and QB keep will open up big time.
Assuming your willing to run your QB . What happen's to the Coach that's trying to put this in without that type QB there unless your gonna break the bone or split TE's it minimal what you can do on edge .
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 02:04:37 PM »
More than one way to attack the edge.
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 04:25:55 PM »
Against this standard look here u got multiple ways ?  obviously im setting SS to field .
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 04:49:20 PM »
Obviously over the course of 17 year's ive expieremented with a lot of different schemes and the Wishbone was what i thought i was gonna light the world on fire with in the early 2000's.  This is one of those deals if you not running the option your handcuffed. There only so much DOUBLE ISO you can run,and only so many times you can go to THE well with cross buck ctr. Are you thinking about adding option ?How will you attack the edge if option is not do able ? These are all the variables i'd run my self thru before i mess with anything.


Coach, we managed to win 5 Maryland State Championships running the Bone without the Triple Option. We won another State Championship running the DW.
Our version was very much like a two Tailback Power I.

The only Option we ran was a Single Option off of an Isolation fake.

We broke the Bone many ways, and between Toss Sweep, Quick Pitch and Iso Option, we seldom had trouble getting outside.
Our Base play was "Outside Lead" nothing more than an Off Tackle Power play with a kickoff block and lead thru. Our second best play was the single and double Lead over the Guard, Veer Lead and Blast Lead, respectively.

In terms of there are only so many times you can run Double Iso, it is no different than what we do from the DW with Power. If they can't stop, why run anything else?
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Re: the multiple wishbone offense
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 06:54:44 PM »
I'm only asking because with out a wing or a split end it's tough to match numbers in the alley unless you break the bone or split ends out. Or do a little of both LOL.
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