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Offline Popcoach11

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verticals
« on: January 19, 2016, 04:41:26 PM »
How much time does it take to become good at this concept? Are you more successful from 2x2 or 3x1 with the bender?

What are the coaching points?
How far are you hitting these passes downfield?
How much does are strength come into play?
How often are you hitting the inside slot with the QB throwing the ball on a rope?
Do you run your guys to landmarks?
How quick is this throw out of your QBs hand?

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Re: verticals
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 01:06:21 AM »
Coaching points:
QB - five-step drop (gun plus 3), no hitch, throw the ball on rhythm - get the ball out of your hands on time; keep the offense on schedule.
      - pre-snap look at your matchups on the outside and if anyone is in position to collision the slots on the inside.
      - if you like an outside matchup, take it for the big gain (throw the ball with some air under it - not a big rainbow, but enough to allow the receiver to adjust to the throw (keep it long and outside) - these throws will typically get caught around 30-35 yards downfield (if memory serves), less for younger kids, obviously.  If your QB doesn't have the arm strength for these throws, don't even allow them to be options - throws to the #1 receivers that come up short and/or inside are usually picks - don't risk it if you are not 100% confident in your QB's arm.
      - more typically we'll be looking at the inside receivers - they can NOT get collisioned coming off the line (at least not enough to throw off the timing of the pattern).  Look off the safety and throw the other way (or more simply, throw away from whichever way the safety moves).  The ball MUST be thrown on time - if the QB hitches or delays his throw, it will allow the safety to make a play and may very well get your receiver blown up and/or injured.  Throws to the seams should be completed at 18-22 yards (14-17 yards for the younger age groups), and the ball should be thrown on a frozen rope.
      - if you don't have good matchups outside and your inside guys get collisioned (or just never get separation), either pull the ball down and run, or check down to your RB if he's available.  You can also have him scramble if you've worked on scramble rules with the receivers in practice.

#1 WRs - stay on the numbers, work to the outside hip of the defender.  Use your body to shield the defender from the ball.  Catch the ball over your outside shoulder to keep the ball away from the defender.  This is a lot harder to coach than it sounds.

#2 WRs (slots) - stay on the hashes, avoid getting collisioned by OLBs or SS's (beating press coverage and avoiding collisions is something your receivers should work on daily if throwing the ball is going to be a big part of your offense).  Start looking for the ball by about 10-12 yards down the field.  Do not allow your route to bend in vs. a single high safety - we want to stay as far away from that safety as possible.  Be prepared for the ball to come in like a missile and to take a big shot after the catch.

RB & Line - slide protect (slide away from the RB, who has the edge defender on his side - once the RB loses contact with that defender, he should look for an open patch of grass within 5 yards or so and he becomes the check-down.

We typically run 4-verts from 2x2, but we have done it successfully from 3x1 and I know plenty of teams that prefer 3x1. Either way is fine - go with whatever works best for you and your players.

Strength? You mean formation strength? Wide side of the field? What we do best?  Not sure what you're getting at, but none of those things are a major consideration, except we don't want to run 4-verts from the hash if we're in 2x2, although it would be fine if we're in 3x1.

The throws to the inside receivers are always on a rope (well, unless it's Cover-0, I guess, in which case the QB can and should put some air under it, but if we're throwing between safeties, there better be some mustard on the throw.

Landmarks? Yes - outside receivers on the numbers, inside receivers on the hashes (or just slightly outside).

Ball is out of the QB's hand as quickly as possible after a 5-step drop (gun plus 3). No hitch, no hesitation - throw the ball on rhythm, get rid of the ball on time, keep the offense on schedule.

If it sounds like I'm repeating myself, I'm doing it on purpose.  The kids need to hear these mantras repeatedly - if they start to make fun of you for it, you're probably doing it right.  I say things like "thrown the ball on rhythm" and "get it out of your hands on time" or "throw the ball on time" and "keep the offense on schedule" literally hundreds, if not thousands of times a season.

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Re: verticals
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 02:57:37 PM »
Coach Doug.......awsome!!!! Thanks for taking the time to do this. Pretty much answered all my questions. Now only thing to top this off is film to watch.

Thanks

Danny

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Re: verticals
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 04:40:15 PM »
You should make it a point to get Joe's take on this as well.  His teams run 4-verts better than anyone else I've seen (certainly waaaaaayyyyy better than my teams do).

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Re: verticals
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 05:01:46 PM »
Doug

As always thanks for the kudos.

We have had nice success running 4 Verts the last 3 years. Here is our QB's highlights, there are a couple of Verts in there.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3896761/highlights/309946376/v2


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Re: verticals
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 06:23:59 PM »
Here is a post from my section on 4 verts there is also a Powerpoint.


http://www.dumcoach.com/offense-197/4-verts/

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Re: verticals
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 10:27:53 PM »
If I may...

His Avatar says 11 and under!  "Verts" is a relative term!  Can you pass block well enough for the 5 step drop or 3 from Gun?  Do you have 4 kids who can get off the LOS with Speed to spare?  Can one of them Catch on the run? 

Sorry to be a downer but putting all this together is friggin hard and, like the Option, requires rep after rep after rep. 

My Verts.....Skinny Post at 7 steps w/ Corner at 5 from Slots!  In other words...If the timing is just right...Intermediate Rub/Crossing Routes!  :)   

« Last Edit: January 20, 2016, 10:29:45 PM by Dusty Ol Fart »
Not MPP... ONE TASK!  Teach them!  :)

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Re: verticals
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2016, 10:01:29 AM »
You can throw verts off of a 3 step drop from UC

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Re: verticals
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2016, 10:11:27 AM »
Good points - I didn't get that Popcoach11 was talking about 11u.  Yeah, 3-step drop completed at about 14-17 yards is probably more appropriate.

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Re: verticals
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2016, 04:59:58 PM »
That sounds doable. Well be mostly 12s this year, so this is a plausible concept for us. Just need to go over the fine details of verts.