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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2016, 03:25:40 PM »
That's how I understood belly.  The blocking was like what Coach Metz illustrates, but it was the HB leading and the FB carrying.
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Do we agree then that Coach Metz has this mislabeled or is using unusual terminology for this play?  Hard for me to accept any run hitting the B gap as a sweep.
I am guessing his has his own terminology as I have NEVER seen that version run by any Delaware WT team
So then what is belly sweep?  My understanding had been that it was similar to buck sweep, except that the buck fake was replaced by a belly fake to the same side.
That's a decent way to put it, except it is most likely that only the playside guard pulls.
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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2016, 12:02:05 AM »
Belly sweep is a WB play off a FB Belly fake. I'm not sure what the confusion is here. It can go outside or inside the DE depending on his technique. Coach Metzelars is a long time WT coach that I first came across over on bucksweep.com back in 2003 or 2004, when I first started studying the wing t. He is legit.

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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2016, 12:38:42 AM »
Belly sweep is a WB play off a FB Belly fake. I'm not sure what the confusion is here. It can go outside or inside the DE depending on his technique. Coach Metzelars is a long time WT coach that I first came across over on bucksweep.com back in 2003 or 2004, when I first started studying the wing t. He is legit.
I know only of Metz that runs his belly sweep inside of the DE.  Everyone has their own little wrinkles.  His Down Sweep looks more on point. He also has his WB/HB block backside on Keep Pass.  Not wrong, just a different take.  His Belly Sweep looks exactly like a traditional double dive.
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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2016, 02:43:05 AM »
I know only of Metz that runs his belly sweep inside of the DE.  Everyone has their own little wrinkles.  His Down Sweep looks more on point. He also has his WB/HB block backside on Keep Pass.  Not wrong, just a different take.  His Belly Sweep looks exactly like a traditional double dive.

That's interesting. I had always thought it was inside or outside of the DE based on how the DE was playing it. Slow play or feather = kickout; block down step down = log. IIRC, I read that in a post on bucksweep, though admittedly it's been a while. That's how the old GB Packers sweep used to work - take the DE the way he wants to go. Either way, he's wrong.

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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2016, 01:28:16 PM »
That's interesting. I had always thought it was inside or outside of the DE based on how the DE was playing it. Slow play or feather = kickout; block down step down = log. IIRC, I read that in a post on bucksweep, though admittedly it's been a while. That's how the old GB Packers sweep used to work - take the DE the way he wants to go. Either way, he's wrong.
Well, the Bellevue guys run it outside the DE every time, but Metz would run it outside vs. an even and inside vs. an odd (without an eagle).
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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2016, 06:33:02 PM »
I had always thought it was inside or outside of the DE based on how the DE was playing it. Slow play or feather = kickout; block down step down = log.
If it's block down, step down, then do you even have to log him?  He'll be taking himself out of the play, might as well not have your blocker look too hard for him, but find someone downfield to block.

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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2016, 08:33:34 PM »
AHH the Bellevue bellysweep, a reknown play, they execute usually very well. Unlike their last game vs East Cath WA in final championship IMO, NOT! a well called game! Very predictable. That being said, the Bellevue belly sweep is a lethal weapon, QB has back to defense, ahh its poetry in motion, the Homer play, leaving defenses saying DOOOWW!

I have seen many times Bellevue not pulling anybody to the outside and the belly fake sucks defenders in, the wing running down sideline for big gains.

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Coach, do you have a diagram for what they're doing?

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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2016, 09:56:32 PM »
Yes Bellevue can get away with not pulling anybody because of how many times they run belly but not only that how many ways the run belly. Bellevue to me run's the WT believe it or not as close to Delaware as i ever seen.  They have the ability to get it done running very few plays but switch there blocking scheme play after play. For instance i've seen them not only run belly sweep but down sweep also. Belly sweep alone I've seen it with a log without a log I've even seen them pull both guards. We will save there counter game for another thread. For the most part they are by the book with there rule blocking when it comes to WT with all the little tweaks but they also venture into wishbone,power i and tee from what i seen. You can see them run belly sweep a number of times on youtube punch in Bellevue Oline Clinic.
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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2016, 11:16:53 AM »
Coach, do you have a diagram for what they're doing?

a diagram? of belly sweep? they run it puritan...the Quaker bellysweep model, plain jane Amish wing T...nothing you cant see diagrammed on line in 25 different areas. Weell they mix up blocking a bit, but I dont know all of their cues or blocking schemes but they seem to load block HB vs DE if wider than tackle - not always, just often.

Correa hit it on the head they run between tackles SOOOOOO much, belly, buck, counters, traps...even if it aint working!!! to a fault they wont quit attacking between the tackles, repeatedly...THEY REFUSE TO STOP RUNNING BETWEEN TACKLES - EVIDENCE BEING LAST GAME THEY PLAYED!!! And this leaves defenses inevitably looking inside...they see this and call the bellysweep...its a set up play, much like trap is. When set up right the ball carrier will fly right by linebackers who wont even be looking in his direction!


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Re: Belly Sweep
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2016, 12:28:49 PM »
a diagram? of belly sweep? they run it puritan...the Quaker bellysweep model, plain jane Amish wing T...nothing you cant see diagrammed on line in 25 different areas. Weell they mix up blocking a bit, but I dont know all of their cues or blocking schemes but they seem to load block HB vs DE if wider than tackle - not always, just often.

Correa hit it on the head they run between tackles SOOOOOO much, belly, buck, counters, traps...even if it aint working!!! to a fault they wont quit attacking between the tackles, repeatedly...THEY REFUSE TO STOP RUNNING BETWEEN TACKLES - EVIDENCE BEING LAST GAME THEY PLAYED!!! And this leaves defenses inevitably looking inside...they see this and call the bellysweep...its a set up play, much like trap is. When set up right the ball carrier will fly right by linebackers who wont even be looking in his direction!
I've been looking for it, and it looks like for the most part nobody seems to pull their guard, although it is mentioned that it can be done. I also wonder why the belly sweep might be considered better than the belly keep or belly follow.