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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2016, 10:25:26 PM »
Whenever an OLB isn't biting on counter/reverse I see teams doing one of two things. First, they're cross keying our backs. Second, they're telling their OLB's to stay at home. If they cross key, that's an easy adjustment. We throw a fake counter at them, but what happens when they're staying at home, and regardless of what we do, they're going to stay at home. What sort of play do you call against that? I mean, obviously they're not going to get suckered into any sort of counter action if they do it effectively, but they should also be opening themselves up to a huge issue by having that guy essentially stay in one place. How do you take advantage of it?
They're playing counter so they are leaving the pass open.  Waggle all day.
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2016, 12:19:53 PM »
They're playing counter so they are leaving the pass open.  Waggle all day.
So I've been reading a bunch of wing T books, and I'm learning that waggle isn't a specific play. What does your waggle look like?

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2016, 03:21:11 PM »
So I've been reading a bunch of wing T books, and I'm learning that waggle isn't a specific play. What does your waggle look like?


oooooohhhh no you dont!
I said I ran waggle my way and maybe not the norm then I was accused of not being wing T, or wing T lite, just 1 calorie not evil enough, something like that.

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2016, 03:46:41 PM »

oooooohhhh no you dont!
I said I ran waggle my way and maybe not the norm then I was accused of not being wing T, or wing T lite, just 1 calorie not evil enough, something like that.
Well if you won't tell me what you run, then how can you get my gold star of Wing T approval?

Lol I'm just asking. We run it where the TE does a post, and the Wing does a 5 yard drag. So obviously if the OLB is stepping up, he'd probably be giving up the drag. I just read a book where they had like 15 different waggle plays.

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2016, 04:12:05 PM »
The idea is IMO to roll out 1 way towards you wider receiver, the backside receivers are to be in close that way they can remain viable pass option for your Qb rolling away from them. If they were out wide the QB would not be able to pass to them, BUT since the wing T has the TE and wing in close aaahhhaaa now you got 2 more receivers that can run play side.

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2016, 10:09:10 PM »
So I've been reading a bunch of wing T books, and I'm learning that waggle isn't a specific play. What does your waggle look like?
Delaware Wing-T waggle is a specific play.  Non- Delaware might be different.

Waggle Left (Standard 100 formation TE/WB right - SE left/HB left of FB)
SE - Waggle route (post corner)
TE - Crossing pattern (climb to 12 yards)
WB - Post
FB  -Fill for pulling left guard then release to flat
HB - Proximity fake with QB block first man outside of BST
QB - Reverse pivot/proximity fake to FB/fake to HB/option run or pass (read deep to short)

Important to teach the PSG to open up his hips on his pull to gain depth to pick up that DE
BSG pull flat on first step then bend path reding block of PSG then clean up chase
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2016, 10:31:00 PM »
WOW i really feel the WT needs its own section on this forum so we can have specific threads were we can talk all WT with the Hybrid stuff. Of Elrod, Moore, Cobleigh, Erdiley and Wright . I think it would help us all get a better feel for everything that's going on with the traditional stuff and the new age variations. Even the Double Wing Guys Like Mensing and Gutilla have a Hybrid thing Going on Mixing WT, I, and DW We need a section for this stuff it all helps. 
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2016, 12:36:42 AM »
WOW i really feel the WT needs its own section on this forum so we can have specific threads were we can talk all WT with the Hybrid stuff. Of Elrod, Moore, Cobleigh, Erdiley and Wright . I think it would help us all get a better feel for everything that's going on with the traditional stuff and the new age variations. Even the Double Wing Guys Like Mensing and Gutilla have a Hybrid thing Going on Mixing WT, I, and DW We need a section for this stuff it all helps.

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 12:35:16 PM »
Important to teach the PSG to open up his hips on his pull to gain depth to pick up that DE
BSG pull flat on first step then bend path reding block of PSG then clean up chase


I have thru trial and error and "some" reading always looked at stuff and then said I can do that...sometimes wrong sometimes right...But the good news is I dont keep doing bad stuff or wrong techniques, I keep what works and shit can the rest....So as a result, much along the line of natural selection theory, I sometimes can say to something I read...hay the old way I did that died, this new way sure works better.

And thats the case here. On psg log block I instruct them  " bucket step & open hips to sidelines, show the sidelines your numbers, point your pecker at the side lines...not like trap/cross/gut blocks where they with backside hand can shove the down blockers butt by them - stay in tight to dig out the defender...the BUCKPASS (aka waggle) the guard pulls deeper away from the LOS, & moves a lot faster when hips are open to the way he is going to go.

So who knew I mighta kinda accidentally did something almost not wrong...dare I say nearing correct..oops!
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2016, 07:12:44 PM »
Whenever an OLB isn't biting on counter/reverse I see teams doing one of two things. First, they're cross keying our backs. Second, they're telling their OLB's to stay at home. If they cross key, that's an easy adjustment. We throw a fake counter at them, but what happens when they're staying at home, and regardless of what we do, they're going to stay at home. What sort of play do you call against that? I mean, obviously they're not going to get suckered into any sort of counter action if they do it effectively, but they should also be opening themselves up to a huge issue by having that guy essentially stay in one place. How do you take advantage of it?

if he is staying at home, buck should go for days.

the hardest thing to run buck against is penetrating OLBs. - but if he is staying home... should be easy yards
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2016, 03:38:36 PM »
Important to teach the PSG to open up his hips on his pull to gain depth to pick up that DE
BSG pull flat on first step then bend path reding block of PSG then clean up chase
Exactly, as you you can get beat if you are too shallow, but you can recover if you are too deep.  I was at clinic last weekend and the video showed them pulling very shallow.  It just bothers me.  I like to practice against the worse case scenario at practice which makes game day easy.  From DW we trap a squeezing 2i.  Tough, tough block, but fully doable if you coach it up.
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2016, 04:02:24 PM »
our off tackle toss to FB would often have the psg pull deep so he could log or kick put DE

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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2016, 11:50:32 PM »
I dunno, I kinda like it when they stay home.  Straight ISO, G-Lead, Option, Play Action to the TE.   

Honestly I have yet to find an OSLB at youth who wont bite on Play Action.
I use a Loaded Option so the Read is the OSLB.
If the kid merely sits, the ISO and G-Lead. 

Honestly there is no one answer.  Its the combination of above to find the chink in their armor!  That's why, as least for me, the more plays you can run that look like the others the better. 
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Re: Play Against the "Stay at Home" OLBs
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2016, 10:47:53 AM »
I heard this same question and wings and thinhs clinic in Pittsburgh a while back.  The coach remarked something on the line of... "if he stays home we hit him... eventually he will move the way we want him to. "

Olb is a hard spot to play...you have the edge/force and cut back lane and a pass responsibility.  The avg olb at the youth level cant do all of that.

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