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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 03:18:40 PM »
I am not a straight Zone system yet.  However, our Inside game was very much based on Joe's system.

My 90 pound FB was very good at reading and using the Read and Landmarks.  In turn, those 2-3 yard dives were 4-6 yards!  You betcha it makes a difference! 

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2016, 03:52:22 PM »
Dusty: what formation were you in? Were you using the T as the landmark?

The teaching progression for the OL would go something like
Base block
Combo block
Combo off to LB

Is that the general thinking?

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2016, 10:21:20 PM »
Ironically a ton of Double Wing and Pistol 2 X 2.

I was determined that we would establish the inside running game both Left and Right! Playside call was always C-G or G-T combination-drive to the LB.  However, the most important thing was to clear the LOS at the POA and Read the LB. 

This year I will seek to add Stretch and include more of the Backside line calls to establish TRUE IZ. 

Baby Steps.

Mind you we still have specific blocking for Trap, Counters, and Sweep.

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2016, 10:36:58 PM »
The teaching progression for the OL would go something like
Base block
Combo block
Combo off to LB

Is that the general thinking?

I pretty much skipped the middle one.  To me, it's not a combo unless somebody leaves.  If nobody leaves, it's just a double-team, and in that case, I agree with this woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLMSf4afzo
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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2016, 10:44:13 AM »
I pretty much skipped the middle one.  To me, it's not a combo unless somebody leaves.  If nobody leaves, it's just a double-team, and in that case, I agree with this woman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLMSf4afzo

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2016, 11:06:46 AM »
D

No problem... Threademus Interuptus.

Counter wise I am not a fan of Q counter from the bone, I prefer Quick which is a Trap Scheme counter & a full HB counter with a trap & lead.Also a FB counter dive.

I was thinking at 11 full sprint game with Flat Curl & Paw. You can also add a swing that is close to a Stick concept.

Option wise a Speed or load is a fairly easy install & is something you can work on without being time consuming. Progressing to say a double option like a belly option is again something to work towards if & only if the Speed or Load become successful.

All of this will really depend on the individual team.

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Thanks Joe. I will be definitely using a Sprint Out series.  (HB Draw, QB Blast, QB Sweep, HB Counter) Thank you for the suggestions of which pass concepts work well.  The sprint out Passes won't be true Play Action (no fakes, just same backfield action). I also will use a Throwback Screen to attack an aggressive Backside pursuit.

Back to the important part.  Blocking all that, in the most simple way possible.  I have a few books that show the Sprint Out passing from Wishbone, so I will study what I have and see what speaks to me, and Fits with what we will be doing in the run game. 
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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2016, 11:13:16 AM »
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I hope you put in a waggle out if your belly.  Especially in your broken formation. As for zone, is putting man not covered back further than covered man work? Question is to get more of an angle than a bucket step.

Yes.  I have a flow side Flood Concept off of Belly Action and Waggle and TE Pop off of the Counter Dive Action.

As far as my O-Line depth, they will all be recessed pretty deep, at least to start, and I will use "Smart" splits, starting at 2 ft.  so I anticipate being able to get very good angle's on any defender not aligned head-up.
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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2016, 06:08:30 PM »
Morris:

As far as Landmark,  Last season it was Outside Butt Cheek of the OG.

Most calls were "Deuce" since a lot of out opponents Gapped.  Remembering that Joe teaches HS kids I am trying to find a way to make it easy for 6-8th graders to call the backside. 

Since I dont really care that much about the Backside DE, its more about where the Backside Tackle aligns.  Why?  If the backside DE is making the play, I have more to worry about than Blocking!  LOL



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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2016, 07:14:32 AM »
We put it in yesterday and the OL did a pretty good job of picking it up. We went 2 ft splits between the C-G and 3 between G-T. We got to the combos but not a lot of push. Which I'm ok with. The OL also did 3 cone and slow Oklahoma.

A couple of things
Dusty I coach the same age group so it's interesting to hear what you're doing.

We just used the interior 5 OL and I'm wondering if it would be easier to make the OL calls starting with the Gs.

It didn't take long for the defense to start calling out other words to confuse the the OL. We'll get better at that.

Rich Kelly only teaches zone but changes the RBs landmark according to IZ and OZ. his Ol blocks it the same way. I wonder if you can do the same with Joe's.

We did use an H to run some split zone and at times to block force. We popped one outside run on force and came out the backside one good time too. Past some snap issues with our youngest center we had no negative plays. Everything was positive or a breakout.

Joe on zone you do have the QB crow hope and J step correct?

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2016, 07:23:01 AM »
Mo

Crow hop & Jstep is on Pistol Power read only.

Zone Read from the Gun is open & crow hop.

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2016, 08:28:01 AM »
I'm going to have to start putting together a reference page of everything to keep it all straight. 

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2016, 09:43:05 AM »
I'm going to have to start putting together a reference page of everything to keep it all straight.
I see you lost the faith brother lol....
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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2016, 12:32:31 PM »
I haven't lost faith.  We just only have so much practice time.  To get everything timed up in a wing-t run game takes more time. We are opening up our passing game more do a few other things. It doesn't help we have 3 wing-t teams already in our league lol

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Re: What is Zone Blocking & why would I use it?
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2016, 08:27:20 AM »
Our formation Varied so there were times when I had a true TE other time he was Split.

Lets recall our main emphasis was to establish the inside running game that many youth squads lack.   Truth be told were I to run a 100% Zone Scheme, I prefer to have a TE even if that TE used a Crazy Split like Clarks DCWT. 
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