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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2016, 01:34:27 PM »
Things that we do that are "different"
Flip the OL
TKO and use TKO in almost every blocking scheme we run. 
Use power blocking for some counters
Passing wise we use different patterns than many wing-t teams
We use tighter splits to get the edge
We use a lot of different backfield sets from the hybrid guys

We will be a little different this year in that we will pull the tackles instead of the Gs on plays.

flip O line an ABSOLUTE must, love it!

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 01:58:45 PM »
It cuts down on learning a ton and allowed me to get new players playing faster.  One thing I didn't like about it was if we went hurry up it made things harder on us.  I never had a quick side attack I was overly happy.  Jet and Rocket were our quick side plays.  Due to a few changes we wont flip the OL this year which has created some interesting problems for me to solve both scheme and teaching wise.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 03:29:43 PM »
FLIP

if Im in 100/900 Delaware wing T formation and I call flip, the guards and tackles flip sides, nobody else moves. NOW what this does for me is TOSS sweep. QB reverse pivots and tosses to the HB who gets ball almost directly behind center, the quick guard and quick tackle both pull around the TE and the wing, add the QB and the FB and thats 4 lead blockers in front of the ball carrier to the perimeter...and I likes that!

I get down and snap ball quick enough that nobody has time to "read" let alone actually adjust


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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 07:46:23 PM »
Hybrid guys don't just run everything under the sun.  Many use blocking calls like 31 X or 36 XW.  The first letter tells who is kicking and the second tells who is wrapping if there is one.  They also use terms like Tan, DoDo and some other stuff.  They use a very modular set of terms to be able to create whatever blocking scheme they want.  Modular blocking terms and lots of formations tend to be the calling card of the hybrid guys.  There are of course others that just base off of jet/rocket and use more traditional rules.

As far as nothing new or nothing left to add that is pretty much true.  Of course I am not sure there is much of anything new in any offense.  I guess the closest thing would be RPO but Yeoman did some of that in the SBV. All that really happens is concepts get rediscovered, refined and new ways of teaching.

Cobliegh has added some stuff but really all he has done is taken what spread teams have been doing for years and packaged it with his wing-t.  He is just using the passing and screen game to protect his run game instead of having to use all of a series.
Up this way J Wright is our biggest Hybrid guy and someone i talk to often he says the biggest difference from traditional and hybrid is the hybrid guys aren't series based and no 100-900 which makes sense when your basing out of Jet and Rocket instead of Buck. He also say's Herschel Moore was 1st Hybrid Guy i tend to think Klausing and Erdiley are based on my studies they also didn't believe in series bottom line is it's all great to me it's based on what's best for you your staff and kid's and more importantly what can you teach.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2016, 08:45:41 AM »
Moore and Elrod are both from TN and I believe they worked together. J Wright uses their blocking calls. Wing-t guys are kind of funny in the sense they get credit for certain things that I'm not sure they should. Jet is fairly new to the wing-t but Fly (which is pretty much the same thing) has been around for a much longer period. All the things wing-t teams run with jet has been the fly offense. In fact wing-t guys have adopted the fly terminology of yellow and red sweeps. Rocket is newer than jet to the wing-t but was run by Georgetown College as there popcorn series.

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2016, 11:57:17 AM »
And heres a interesting bit of info Iv seen several times, red/blue wing T teams that base from JET also have a series that sends the motion back towards the FBs butt ball is snapped when he is about half way to the FB. From this I have seen the belly and buck series ran. AND if you pause just before the ball is snapped you see this

.......O..............O..O..C..O..O..O
...............................O.............O
.........................O....O.......the bold here has motioned from wing to here and here is where he is at when ball is snapped....LOOKS JUST LIKE 100/900.


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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2016, 12:16:34 PM »
And heres a interesting bit of info Iv seen several times, red/blue wing T teams that base from JET also have a series that sends the motion back towards the FBs butt ball is snapped when he is about half way to the FB. From this I have seen the belly and buck series ran. AND if you pause just before the ball is snapped you see this

.......O..............O..O..C..O..O..O
...............................O.............O
.........................O....O.......the bold here has motioned from wing to here and here is where he is at when ball is snapped....LOOKS JUST LIKE 100/900.
I've seen that plenty from wing T teams that didn't even have jet.

If you look with faster eyes, though, you see that they snap the ball (or should snap it) sooner than that.  The reason is that a back in motion & facing that direction is going to get where he needs to be faster than one standing still facing straight ahead.  So he shouldn't already be at "halfback" position.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2016, 01:18:58 PM »
I have also found that the balanced attack from the red/blue "spread" aka the flexbone look, offers a lot of wing T friendly series and plays, and obviously option if thats your cup-a-joe

....O.........O.O.C.O.O..........O
..............O.....O......O..........
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.....................O

then you can run TOSS and quick & fly series by bringing the tailback up close and make him a FB
....O.........O.O.C.O.O..........O
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2016, 01:56:08 PM »
And heres a interesting bit of info Iv seen several times, red/blue wing T teams that base from JET also have a series that sends the motion back towards the FBs butt ball is snapped when he is about half way to the FB. From this I have seen the belly and buck series ran. AND if you pause just before the ball is snapped you see this

.......O..............O..O..C..O..O..O
...............................O.............O
.........................O....O.......the bold here has motioned from wing to here and here is where he is at when ball is snapped....LOOKS JUST LIKE 100/900.
When your in red or blue your snapping ball when wing gets to outside leg of tackle and 3 step motion aka orbit never goes that deep aiming point is thru fb heels  this pic has me  confused honestly.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2016, 02:10:55 PM »
When your in red or blue your snapping ball when wing gets to outside leg of tackle and 3 step motion aka orbit never goes that deep aiming point is thru fb heels  this pic has me  confused honestly.

coach I cant adjust the players positioning because of the font line spacing...and by way I did mention "aiming at the FBs butt"

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2016, 06:04:58 PM »
We will flip the base.. run double wing.  Belly and Buck series.   Here they are in our spread sets..

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2016, 09:44:21 AM »
I know some teams run buck from that spread set without motion. If you run fly/jet you can have that FB at just about any depth. In regular 100/900 on buck doesn't the HB go in quick motion?

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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2016, 09:56:24 AM »
The wing T has a ton of variations built in. The original wing T was all about being a system of communication, and a way to move the ball by putting defenders in conflict.

This is why if you watch Delaware game tape. You will see 3x1 formations, empty formations, gun formations...

And you will see just about any play you can think of.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2016, 06:08:46 PM »
I know some teams run buck from that spread set without motion. If you run fly/jet you can have that FB at just about any depth. In regular 100/900 on buck doesn't the HB go in quick motion?
If 100/900 never 1 step unless on down play to get in option pitch relationship. If were talking DWT anything else i'm not sure of honestly speaking.
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Re: wing T and "other" series, plays & schemes
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2016, 11:38:35 AM »
tackle trap variations

I know there are several ways of blocking this play, most are aimed at play side DT, some target the playside DE for a kick out. I wanted to ask if any of you have treated it like a basic guard trap? What I mean is with a standard guard trap you have center and psg blocking towards the pulling guard who in turn kicks out 1st defender showing past the down block of the psg. To apply this to tackle trap, and just for clarity sake, I will say the left tackle will be pulling, you would have the left guard and center block back towards the left tackle and the LT would pull and kick out 1st defender showing past the centers down block or more accurately in this case a back block.

Yes this means you could target the 0 tech noseguard as the kick out.

how do you run tackle trap? Any variations or tags/cues/adjustments? and have you ran it as above?

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