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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2016, 12:11:08 PM »
That comes from the common mistake of placing scheme over fundamentals, in terms of importance.  I see coaches brag about whatever system they run, as if it were some new car.  I rarely hear anyone bragging about their approach to fundamentals.

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I love the passing game....at any level....and have the experience to coach it up.

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The current team I am coaching has one QB that is tough as nails but struggles with accuracy. The other is accurate but is not very mentally tough. To get either fundamentally sound has been a real chore. Its driving me crazy.
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2016, 12:25:36 PM »
That comes from the common mistake of placing scheme over fundamentals, in terms of importance.  I see coaches brag about whatever system they run, as if it were some new car.  I rarely hear anyone bragging about their approach to fundamentals.

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Im guilty! So fugin guilty of this BUUUT in order to make my mad scientist X n O scheming work we had to get our shit straight with the basics; footwork, pad level, handwork, drive for 5, etc etc

That being said I had 9-10 year olds ON A SOLO INSTALL!!! thats right no help, i installed a direct snap double wing, balanced single wing, wing T styled offense I made up, did it alone 100%.

all plays could be run to left and right

POWER: pulled backside G & T
SWEEP: pulled playside G & T
COUNTER: pulled both guards, run like bucksweep
TRAP: pulled backside guard
WEDGE:
CROSS: pulled playside guard, run like DOWN
REVERSE: sometimes like counter sometimes off of fake wedge


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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2016, 12:29:23 PM »
Yeah, you don't see a lot of guys diagramming drills on napkins.
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2016, 12:39:13 PM »
Yeah, you don't see a lot of guys diagramming drills on napkins.

Dude...are you a ghost or something?

I am diagramming drills on napkins right now. You are freaking me out !
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2016, 01:50:43 PM »
Yeah, you don't see a lot of guys diagramming drills on napkins.

Yep. Pretty much my point.

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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2016, 03:09:52 PM »
Sorry I just don't agree, no big deal.
My guess is if I said  that kids cant pull and trap, you would not be so lethargic about the discussion.
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2016, 07:41:08 PM »
kids not being able to pull or trap, sounds familiar?? Now where was that I heard this....oh yah

FOR 5 FREAKIN STRAIGHT YEARS, THATS WHERE, 4 DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS, SAME FUGIN MANTRA.

"if they cant block the kid right in front of them then we cant angle block, trap or pull" I proved them all wrong for 12 teams now.

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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2016, 07:43:50 PM »
kids not being able to pull or trap, sounds familiar?? Now where was that I heard this....oh yah

FOR 5 FREAKIN STRAIGHT YEARS, THATS WHERE, 4 DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS, SAME FUGIN MANTRA.

"if they cant block the kid right in front of them then we cant angle block, trap or pull" I proved them all wrong for 12 teams now.

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I am in no way saying that cannot.
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2016, 07:48:38 PM »
I didnt care if it was said or not...I read that, and it sparked memories of a hundred arguments over 5 years with coaches that said this exact thing

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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #39 on: October 04, 2016, 09:04:18 PM »
Not sure what is exactly your saying but for the record and obviously from the offensive schemes I pointed out I 100% percent believe kids can learn pulling and trapping at the youth level as I have taught it several times at the early age of 8yo. This is what I'd base my whole offensive schemes on with a strong fundamental development of all facets of the game.

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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2016, 09:45:05 PM »
He is just saying it reminds him of when people say kids can't pull.

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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2016, 10:24:05 PM »
kids not being able to pull or trap, sounds familiar?? Now where was that I heard this....oh yah

FOR 5 FREAKIN STRAIGHT YEARS, THATS WHERE, 4 DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS, SAME FUGIN MANTRA.

"if they cant block the kid right in front of them then we cant angle block, trap or pull" I proved them all wrong for 12 teams now.

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How did I get pulled into this?....or do you just like typing my name.  8)
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2016, 12:02:41 PM »
So can every kid on your team do a handstand and walk around on his hands?

Of course not - I don't care how much you "teach" a kid, if they don't have the innate balance and strength to do it, they ain't doing it.

Pulling and trapping, as has been said on here so much, is just running and colliding.  Every age kid can do that.  That said, can EVERY PLAYER on your team effectively pull and trap block?  No, because some of them won't make contact with water falling out of a boat, some are too slow to get there in time, etc.  But they can execute the steps, sure. So they "can do it".

Passing and catching is NOT running and colliding.  It's a fine motor skill that cannot just be taught, you have to have some innate ability. You can talk all you want about how you can teach kids certain things, but if you don't have a kid who can pass to some extent innately, and a couple of kids who can catch when they already get to you, you ain't teaching it in the 12 weeks of a season or whatever. You have to have SOME basis to build on.

That said, I'd guess most teams have a kid who can throw well enough, and a couple of kids who can already catch well enough, to where a good coach can execute an effective passing game.

But, IMO, you better be a damn good coach, because there are a hell of a lot of moving parts.




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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2016, 05:06:07 PM »
So can every kid on your team do a handstand and walk around on his hands?

Of course not - I don't care how much you "teach" a kid, if they don't have the innate balance and strength to do it, they ain't doing it.

Pulling and trapping, as has been said on here so much, is just running and colliding.  Every age kid can do that.  That said, can EVERY PLAYER on your team effectively pull and trap block?  No, because some of them won't make contact with water falling out of a boat, some are too slow to get there in time, etc.  But they can execute the steps, sure. So they "can do it".

Passing and catching is NOT running and colliding.  It's a fine motor skill that cannot just be taught, you have to have some innate ability. You can talk all you want about how you can teach kids certain things, but if you don't have a kid who can pass to some extent innately, and a couple of kids who can catch when they already get to you, you ain't teaching it in the 12 weeks of a season or whatever. You have to have SOME basis to build on.

That said, I'd guess most teams have a kid who can throw well enough, and a couple of kids who can already catch well enough, to where a good coach can execute an effective passing game.

But, IMO, you better be a damn good coach, because there are a hell of a lot of moving parts.
Again, I could say the exact thing about trapping and pulling. I am one of those people did not have that fine motor skill, and I am no athlete.  I cannot run fast, I am not naturally coordinated, I just learned. And early.
One more thing the actual act of a good block, not just leaning against somebody takes a hell of a lot of work, especially if you are not athletic. Same thing with tackling.
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Re: 5th/ 6th grade Air Raid - possible?
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2016, 08:01:29 AM »
Again, I could say the exact thing about trapping and pulling.

Actually, no, you can't say that unless they cannot run.  It's not the same, because trapping/pulling is not a fine motor skill or whatever you'd call it. If you can run, you can trap and pull. And I'm assuming the kids you have can (kind of) run or they wouldn't be playing.