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Offline Threepwood

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Ejection from game
« on: September 10, 2016, 07:26:06 PM »
NFHS rules.  Over past 20 something years, I've seen a few ejections, mostly for fighting or stuff like that.  Saw one today that I have never seen before - maybe some of you can shed some light on the matter for me.

Game of 12 & 13 year olds.  Close game 8-0 early and remained that way.  Not too many penalties,  Couple of holding, offside, etc.  No fighting or anything like that in game, no cheap shots accused by either side.  In fourth quarter, team A runs off tackle left. Team B linebacker charges, team A blocking back lowers his shoulder and plants it right in gut of linebacker.  At line of scrimmage, within 5 yards or less of player with ball.  Linebacker lays on ground with wind knocked out of him.  Head judge calls hitting defenseless player and ejects blocking player from game.

One, I didn't see it as blocking a defenseless player, it was a blocking back taking on a charging linebacker head on.  No side hit or anything.  But aside from that, I can handle a 15 yd penalty and a difference of opinion from the ref but what gets me is the ejection.  This is not an automatic ejection penalty by NFHS rules nor was it vicious.

I understand the refs need authority to protect players, but this was not anything like that.  The game was in control, no out of control coaches, no loud parents - nothing like that.  The worst behavior at the game was the opposing coaching and some of the words they yelled.  But we told our kids to ignore that and continue playing.

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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2016, 09:11:26 PM »
Totally beyond the spirit of the unnecessary roughness provisions.  An abuse of the rules and of the language!

Possibly the covering official just saw the player on the ground, didn't see the hit, and took a guess that it was a head hit.

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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 01:43:11 AM »
Sadly!  I had had a player warned by the Referee about "Hitting Too Hard!" Kid asked me what he should do and I said keep doing what your doing! A bit later, the same kid said Coach, there is some guy on the sideline calling me names because I keep hitting my man, I think its his Dad!

Me  "Just do your Job exactly as I told you to do it!  I'll deal with Dad, Coach, and the Referee!"     

That's 2 Games now where the Referee/Official has warned my kids about "Hitting too hard"! 

Win or Lose, most are doing as we ask!  Hit Hard, Be Aggressive!

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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2016, 04:21:41 PM »
Sadly!  I had had a player warned by the Referee about "Hitting Too Hard!"

I've always believed that you need to pick a job on the football field and stick with it.
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When you try to do more than one job, you end up sucking at both of them. Ref the damn game and let us coach it. If you see something illegal, throw a flag.
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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 04:30:29 PM »
A bit later, the same kid said Coach, there is some guy on the sideline calling me names because I keep hitting my man, I think its his Dad!

That's awesome.

That would be an automatic high ten with us.

We had a kid complain yesterday that his guy kicked him.  I told him great job and asked everyone else why they hadn't been kicked yet.
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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 10:57:27 AM »
Sadly!  I had had a player warned by the Referee about "Hitting Too Hard!"

We've had that complaint from the official.  And it was more than a decade ago before "concussion awareness."

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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 11:55:03 AM »
speaking of ejection from game...the junior college is trying to say "it was an accident, he was trying to slap his helmet missed and accidentally hit ref.... ;) yah he "accidentally" made a fist, cocked elbow back, dipped shoulder and turned head as he was "accidentally" knocking the ref out...


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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 02:23:11 PM »
I had a player disqualified for Targeting on Saturday.

Onside kick...my player's job is to make sure the bad guy we are kicking at does not get the football. Once he touches it, blow him up, separate him from the football.

Kick goes right at the bad guys, rolling a little slower, the player is looking at the football waiting for it to get to him, he steps across the restraining line just as my player is sinking his hip to deliver the blow. There was helmet to helmet contact, but I don't believe it was intentional, he lead with his shoulder. Anyway, the linesman throws the flag as soon as my guy hit him. The bad guys recover the kick. Play is whistled dead. The crew huddles in the middle of the field for a few minutes, I figured it would be interference or something as the ball had not traveled 10 yards when the contact was made. I was floored when they called targeting.

I argued that targeting was a penalty of intent, there was no intent to injure, they did not agree apparently. Texas UIL exceptions to NCAA rules, my player is eligible to play next week.
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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 05:11:49 PM »
I had a player disqualified for Targeting on Saturday.

Onside kick...my player's job is to make sure the bad guy we are kicking at does not get the football. Once he touches it, blow him up, separate him from the football.

Kick goes right at the bad guys, rolling a little slower, the player is looking at the football waiting for it to get to him, he steps across the restraining line just as my player is sinking his hip to deliver the blow. There was helmet to helmet contact, but I don't believe it was intentional, he lead with his shoulder. Anyway, the linesman throws the flag as soon as my guy hit him. The bad guys recover the kick. Play is whistled dead. The crew huddles in the middle of the field for a few minutes, I figured it would be interference or something as the ball had not traveled 10 yards when the contact was made. I was floored when they called targeting.

I argued that targeting was a penalty of intent, there was no intent to injure, they did not agree apparently. Texas UIL exceptions to NCAA rules, my player is eligible to play next week.
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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 05:17:39 PM »
I had a player disqualified for Targeting on Saturday.

Onside kick...my player's job is to make sure the bad guy we are kicking at does not get the football. Once he touches it, blow him up, separate him from the football.

I argued that targeting was a penalty of intent, there was no intent to injure, they did not agree apparently. Texas UIL exceptions to NCAA rules, my player is eligible to play next week.

Wow - I think the ejection rules are being too liberally dispensed.  However, how does Texas UIL justify exceptions to the ejection rule?  If ejections are just for that game, why wouldn't a player just deck someone at the end of every game?

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Re: Ejection from game
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2016, 01:26:08 PM »
Wow - I think the ejection rules are being too liberally dispensed.  However, how does Texas UIL justify exceptions to the ejection rule?  If ejections are just for that game, why wouldn't a player just deck someone at the end of every game?

Don't know :)

That said, this occurred in the first half, so under NCAA rules, he would be eligible to play next week anyway.
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