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Offline morris

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Re: Tips: Combining Zone and Gap Runs
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2016, 04:32:35 PM »
We already run power and counter gt. So I could go ether way.

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Re: Tips: Combining Zone and Gap Runs
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2016, 05:16:43 PM »
For us, we don't kick Power with the backside G.  Our backside G would be wrapping around to the PSLB and we'd kick the DE with a back or read him with the QB.

I think I see what you're saying about this.  So... in the example you gave, instead of kicking out the DE, the OL would all zone play side, but the backside G would still pull around and lead up to LB.  Is that correct?

The issue I see with that is that you'd be left with too few blockers on the backside.  On our zone stuff, we want everyone working to his play side gap.  If we were to zone and then try to pull the backside G as well, what we'd wind up with is the backside T to block 3 gaps, which probably have 3 guys in them.  We have to fill backside A-B gap for the puller or someone's going to blow that play up from the backside... if I'm picturing this correctly.  I'm afraid I may not be.

Thats pretty much what I'm trying to say. And I get your point on the back side. You could leave the G and use a blocking back or H back.. Drawing it out I think it keeps more blockers playside of the ball. Example..with a defender in the A gap playside, the center zone blocks playside. In gap blocking he would most likely block man on man away. So zone blocking playside with gap scheme keeps more blockers playside....yada

Now you CAN run a variation of Power where you base block the front side and pull the backside G around to lead up onto the LB.  Lots of college and pro teams live off this.  That works a little differently, though.  In a count system, you could do that easily enough by declaring "0" (the C's man) as the first defender on or backside the C, then starting the count from there, but tell your OL to skip over the first LB to the play side when they're counting men since that's the backside G's man.

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Re: Tips: Combining Zone and Gap Runs
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2016, 10:26:52 PM »
If you need to insert a back to fill for the pulling G, why not just use the back as the wrapper or kick out man instead of the G?  That's how we block our Power and Counter.  That way, we don't risk a back getting blown up by a big DL.

You need to be gap sound.  Generally, each man in the line=one gap, with a blocking back inserting and creating an extra one somewhere.

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Re: Tips: Combining Zone and Gap Runs
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2016, 11:58:38 PM »
That works, too.  That's a system I'm familiar with and like, as well.

After coaching count schemes in the past, I've come to prefer this because I feel it's simpler to teach, it's not as vulnerable to movement, and our kids take better angles--be base our gap stuff off SAB ideas.  If a 3 tech stunts or the defense stems late in a count system, or if a kid just gets confused on how to apply his count against something crazy, bad things can happen if you don't have another layer of rules in there to give your kids a track and direction for their eyes and steps.

Agreed we also have plan to run into this and dictate our game plan to not let it happen.

The oldest  ive coached as a coordinator was 14 and never had a shift done with success... stunts were done and ide say 90% were picked up correctly ... but like i said we plan for it and dedicate 10 min a practice to it

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