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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2017, 10:40:02 AM »
I look at the Punt as another offensive play.

As do I.  And your opponent will usually LET you do this.  Which of course makes things even easier.  I've seen youth coaches brag about "never punting."  Meanwhile they play these stalemate games between each other's 40-yard lines...whereas one decent punt could have had you playing between their 20-30.  I'd rather begin my next possession on my opponent's 30 while keeping him 70 yards away on every possession. 

I always go back to this: in 2006 we won the conference title playing against the defending national champions.  We won by 3 TDs (19-0)...while punting six times.  We played virtually the entire game on their side of the the field. 

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2017, 01:45:40 PM »
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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2017, 02:14:18 PM »
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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2017, 02:50:30 PM »
If we take as given that:

Punting is a bad tactic in most of youth football, and
people who run youth football leagues have as one object to expose children to as much of the game as possible, then
would they not be moved to change rules to encourage punting?

Some do that in a certain way by introducing punt plays as only semi-live balls.  For instance, we had one in most divisions of the Warriors that allowed no defensive rush or runback.  But the problem with that is, it cuts out some parts of the kicking game (rush, protection, runback, coverage) in order to encourage just 2 (punting & fielding the ball), and it makes fake punts impossible.  Does anybody know any leagues or divisions that allow live punting and in some way increase the reward for it to compensate for its risks?  Or have proposed doing so, or did so for a while?

For that matter, anybody know any leagues or divisions that alter the rules to encourage passing?

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2017, 02:51:03 PM »
Same here! We've lost big games bc of special teams, but won some huge games bc of special teams..

One of our keys to success was good specials. We were going to beat the average to above average teams. Specials is where you win or lose against the really good teams. Won some of them and lost some of them.
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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2017, 06:15:52 PM »
I guess you can count me among the dinosaurs that will still punt in youth football. Of course, that depends on whether we have someone who can actually do it. Maybe I've been blessed, but, until this year at the 8-9 yo level, I've always been able to find someone that can get it done.

I have also found it advantageous to quick kick on third and long, especially deep in our own end. We have actually been able to flip the field doing this since no return man is back.

That said, I completely understand the "no punt" youth coaching philosophy. There is nothing quite as terrifying as a fast kid with the ball and a lot of grass around him (unless he's on your team), and tackling in space is a difficult skill to teach and to acquire.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2017, 06:26:34 PM »
There is nothing quite as terrifying as a fast kid with the ball and a lot of grass around him (unless he's on your team), and tackling in space is a difficult skill to teach and to acquire.

Which is why you either punt out of bounds, or rugby kick rollers that are not easily or cleanly fielded.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2017, 02:36:48 PM »
How much time is one willing to coaching up this aspect of the game?  We lost our championship game this past season due to our inability to punt the football. Lost 19-13......two of their scoring drives consisted of about 15 yards of total offense because our punter didn't have confidence in his ability to get the punt off. I didn't work on this enough throughout the season, so I shouldn't have put the kid in that situation. I rode the fence. You either put time into it or you dont. If you don't believe in investing time in it, I would advise against. Special Teams mistakes are the most costly mistakes a team can make.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2017, 02:46:24 PM »
How much time is one willing to coaching up this aspect of the game?  We lost our championship game this past season due to our inability to punt the football. Lost 19-13......two of their scoring drives consisted of about 15 yards of total offense because our punter didn't have confidence in his ability to get the punt off. I didn't work on this enough throughout the season, so I shouldn't have put the kid in that situation. I rode the fence. You either put time into it or you dont. If you don't believe in investing time in it, I would advise against. Special Teams mistakes are the most costly mistakes a team can make.
I think this depends on your goals and your league. When I was at PSL, our goal was nationals. That was just how we were as coaches. We wanted to win every game. In a smaller league you might get away with almost no time on specials. In my league, not so much. With our goals, no way. Like I said earlier, we have lost and won games in regionals and nationals partly because of specials. We were one extra point kick away from winning 3 straight titles with 3 different teams.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2017, 02:57:23 PM »
I think this depends on your goals and your league. When I was at PSL, our goal was nationals. That was just how we were as coaches. We wanted to win every game. In a smaller league you might get away with almost no time on specials. In my league, not so much. With our goals, no way. Like I said earlier, we have lost and won games in regionals and nationals partly because of specials. We were one extra point kick away from winning 3 straight titles with 3 different teams.
I wont be making that mistake again for sure. Teams ultimately cost us our goal this past season. Been coaching a long time now and still learn lessons the hard way now and then.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2017, 05:01:15 PM »
Can someone provide coaching points for teaching rugby style punting? Also, how do you protect it? Do you go unbalanced to the side you're rolling to?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2017, 06:47:20 PM »
Can someone provide coaching points for teaching rugby style punting? Also, how do you protect it? Do you go unbalanced to the side you're rolling to?

Thanks in advance.

well ill talk to the second point first.

in my philosophy - you want to be balanced or short handed to the side you are rolling. you want LESS defenders to the roll side or to be even strength.
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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2017, 11:46:08 PM »
We only Short Punt. From Beast and Empty. Much safer with less teaching.

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2017, 02:56:18 PM »
We only Short Punt. From Beast and Empty. Much safer with less teaching.

https://youtu.be/1twzIV6ewhY

So  mahonz, was this a third down quick kick, or was it just that it looked like you were going for it on 4th that had them with no return man?

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Re: Punting in Youth Football?
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2017, 03:17:14 PM »
Problem in youth (the younger the worse) is first finding a kicker that can kick and kick under a rush, 2nd protecting and third stopping the return. 

Quick true but funny now story-This past year in the first game the HC (also OC) went to punt.  Both kids we had practicing apparently didn't want to punt (SMH) so another kid, HC told me later convincingly said he could punt so the coach let him punt.  The ball went up backwards and rolled for at least 10 yards.  So we lost the snap yards 5-10 and then another 10 at least.  I think would have been better to go for it, as even no gain would have saved 15-20 yards. This was also a no rush but a full return.  If I can find the clip I'll post it. 
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