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2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« on: August 07, 2017, 03:21:02 PM »
Starting out this season with 4th/5th graders after the last 5 with the same team that we took through 8th grade.  It is a challenge given that all but 2 of the 21 kids that we have ever played tackle football before.  Good that they are young and not tainted, but we are starting with the basics at square 1. 

The goal for the season is to have all of the kids want to come back and play next season, have them learn the right way to play the game and to have the AC's learn how to run the team the right way so that I can do something else next year.  :)

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 03:27:25 PM »
and to have the AC's learn how to run the team the right way so that I can do something else next year.  :)

Like coach with me?

Seriously, you'll do great, looking forward to hearing about it.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 03:36:53 PM »
Like coach with me?

Seriously, you'll do great, looking forward to hearing about it.

I am definitely interested in how this year will turn out.  I have a group of kids that are young (2/3 of them are 4th graders), but they are all eager and it seems like they are really fired up even with just conditioning.  I have 6 AC's with limited experience, but they seem to be eager as well. 

If it doesn't go well, I have no one to blame but myself.  :)


For defense, we are using Jack's 6-3.  I know it and I can teach it. 
For offense, we will be going with some DW and Beast.  We won't have the 100 plays that we had before, but we will have a dozen or so that we can run well.
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2017, 09:09:04 AM »
10 practices in and we have 2 more before our Jamboree.  Still dealing with kids being away for vacation, so it seems like Groundhog Day sometimes when explaining and demonstrating.  I forgot how much patience is required for this, but I like this group of kids even with some of the quirkiness.  I have been rotating through about 5-6 centers due to vacations, injuries and general suckiness. 

The AC's are stepping up.  I have charged them with coaching with intensity and energy.  They feel more comfortable with demanding perfection in drills, although I think that there is still too much of a tendency to focus on their own kid.  I also have to do a better job of having them coach the entire roster as we have MPP's that we need to teach a skill that they can use to get onto the field. 

At least on Sunday, they will get a chance to go against some competition, albeit in a scrimmage like situation.  Essentially, we play another team in 2 twenty-minute halves with a running clock.  No special teams.  I hope that we can get our plays in and run in a reasonably timeframe as our pace is not where I want it. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 08:26:50 PM »
Jamboree today. I had to really adjust and I have a lot of work to do. As coaches, we aren't well coordinated and they rely on me too much. We can't count to 11.

We need a better sense of urgency and we need to know more fundamentals. There are some adjustments that I knew would be needed (2 point stance for my guards, more reps for my 2's, throw out some plays based on personnel, etc,).

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2017, 09:45:37 PM »
Went from 8th Grade down to 4th-5th.  A whole new world!  Again! 

DAMN!   ???

Not MPP... ONE TASK!  Teach them!  :)

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2017, 07:57:20 PM »
We played poorly today and got beat pretty easily 26-6. We could not stand in the right spots and we got sucked in on reverses and misdirection. The nice guy approach has its faults and now it might be time for our parents to decide what they want for their kids. Little Timmy is going to suck if he can't be at practice.

I also need to do more conditioning if we can't go fast paced in practice. I have to do a bit of a check of what we want to do. It is all on me if they don't execute.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2017, 08:06:41 PM »
We played poorly today and got beat pretty easily 26-6. We could not stand in the right spots and we got sucked in on reverses and misdirection. The nice guy approach has its faults and now it might be time for our parents to decide what they want for their kids. Little Timmy is going to suck if he can't be at practice.

I also need to do more conditioning if we can't go fast paced in practice. I have to do a bit of a check of what we want to do. It is all on me if they don't execute.

With so many rookies....time to train the Parents. Now that Labor Day is here....no more vacation excuses.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2017, 09:08:17 PM »
With so many rookies....time to train the Parents. Now that Labor Day is here....no more vacation excuses.

Was your opponent an experienced team?

The other team was not experienced, but they were pretty crisp. Had some good misdirection and I can tell that they were well coached. Can't say the same for my crew.

I am now talking coaches and kids off the ledge. People think you can just whip up a team in 3 weeks. It takes some time and we need to do it the right way. I have to make sure that they don't think that the answer is more plays. We have to execute better in all facets of the game. Again, my fault.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2017, 09:20:05 PM »
The other team was not experienced, but they were pretty crisp. Had some good misdirection and I can tell that they were well coached. Can't say the same for my crew.

I am now talking coaches and kids off the ledge. People think you can just whip up a team in 3 weeks. It takes some time and we need to do it the right way. I have to make sure that they don't think that the answer is more plays. We have to execute better in all facets of the game. Again, my fault.

Time to Iron Fist the group?
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2017, 10:36:37 PM »
Time to Iron Fist the group?

Here is where I have to stay true to my goals. This is a group of first year kids jazzed up to play in a program with dwindling numbers. My goal is to have all of them come back next year. I want them to get better each week and to learn the game. I am not worried about this year, at least not the first few weeks. I worry about the long run.

I need to get the kids some confidence, so playing hardball with them seems against that goal. However, I think that it will be easier to have them see that their work habits and conditioning are an impediment (I can't use that word) to their success. I can have them ask for that instead of me being hard about it.

I have other things that I can be a hard-ass about.

What would you do?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2017, 10:57:11 PM »
The nice guy approach has its faults and now it might be time for our parents to decide what they want for their kids.

Parents don't decide.  You decide.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2017, 11:00:20 PM »
This is a group of first year kids jazzed up to play in a program with dwindling numbers. My goal is to have all of them come back next year. I want them to get better each week and to learn the game. I am not worried about this year, at least not the first few weeks. I worry about the long run.

--Then you need to worry about this year.  Kids don't come back to programs that don't win.

I need to get the kids some confidence, so playing hardball with them seems against that goal.

--How so?  How are the two even related?

However, I think that it will be easier to have them see that their work habits and conditioning are an impediment (I can't use that word) to their success. I can have them ask for that instead of me being hard about it.

--Ask for what?  What do kids even know to ask for?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2017, 11:01:07 PM »
I have other things that I can be a hard-ass about.

Such as?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2017, 11:02:05 PM »
Parents don't decide.  You decide.

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Parents can pull their kids. I can get them to decide on their own without playing hard ball. It is not like I watched a different game. I might need a film night to get everyone to buy in. However, the parents and kids will all want to buckle down. Just how you sell it.