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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2017, 08:35:36 AM »
First thing - congratulations on the win.  Nice job.

Second - you know, I have people who say that about me, since I have what might be the fastest kid in the conference - at least he has been the fastest kid on the field through 5 games. He's scored 6 of our 9 touchdowns, all on long plays - 2 pick 6's, a punt return, and 3 long runs.  If I get him into space, it's over.  That said - every time he gets tackled, he's hurt.  He dances in traffic and gets tackled easily.  He tends to slow down through hand-offs making him easier to catch, and he reaches for the ball on hand-offs resulting in fumbles.  So getting him the ball in space has been a challenge.  He's frankly unreliable.

... and that is one of the reasons that I don't try to figure out other coaches.  I am not in their practices.  I have not been in their huddle and I don't know what goes on beyond some game film.  There is some guy out there (not sure who) who says, "It is what it is".  :D

BTW - with respect to your fast kid, I would work that as well.  I had a kid that you have seen play who was an excellent player, but his first few years, he was soft.  He would rarely finish a game and was looking to tap out frequently.  A front runner.  We had a hard time relying on him, but we needed him because of his talent.  I would spend my time connecting with him and making him understand that he needed to be a leader and leaders play through it and don't give up on their team.  Our last 2 years, he stopped tapping out.  Some of it was because I wouldn't let him, but some of it was him maturing and realizing what he needed to do to get better.

Part of what we do is psychology and I know that you know that, but I think that you would be best served by fixing him (amongst other things).  That might also be one of the most rewarding things that you could do. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2017, 08:45:11 AM »
Hard to do when I only have kids for one year.  I was able to do that a few times when I had them for 2-3 years, but now...not so easy.  I try, but don't always get through to them.

Of course, the pissy negative side of me says that I loosen the lid, only for the next guy up (our Org Pres) to finish the deal, and he gets all the credit.   ;D

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2017, 08:52:44 AM »
Hard to do when I only have kids for one year.  I was able to do that a few times when I had them for 2-3 years, but now...not so easy.  I try, but don't always get through to them.

Of course, the pissy negative side of me says that I loosen the lid, only for the next guy up (our Org Pres) to finish the deal, and he gets all the credit.   ;D
It could be that you should be in an organization that allows you to better connect with the kids over time.  Maybe that is a drain on you mentally and makes things less rewarding for you. 

I am not good at going in and taking a program over and turning it around in 4-5 weeks like some other folks on here are.  I just don't have that in my DNA.  I have to connect with the kids and have them buy into what I am doing, but that takes me some time.  I don't think that I could have a new group of kids every year.  Heck, this year, I have these kids for the first time and I want to be able to walk away after the season.  Not sure what I was thinking there. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2017, 09:05:56 AM »
I have to connect with the kids and have them buy into what I am doing, but that takes me some time.  I don't think that I could have a new group of kids every year.  Heck, this year, I have these kids for the first time and I want to be able to walk away after the season.  Not sure what I was thinking there.

Regardless of your timeline, being able to connect and get buy-in is critical.  But who doesn't get new kids every year?  I've never coached a team that was the same, from one year to the next.  When I coached youth ball, only twice did I move "up with" my group (2002-2003 going from Mitey-Mite to Jr. PeeWee; 2006-2007 going from Jr. PeeWee to PeeWee) and even then we still had new faces to connect with.  Some years we do a better job of connecting than others.  When a local TV guy asked me what was the most important aspect of getting our offense to run successfully, I told him "buy in."  But that goes for team success, as well. 

So what were you thinking?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2017, 09:07:07 AM »
It could be that you should be in an organization that allows you to better connect with the kids over time.

Eric, what's this mean?  Some orgs give you more access to your players than others?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2017, 09:15:38 AM »
Dave - some orgs give you multiple years with the same players, allowing you to more easily connect with kids over time vs. having "just" one season with them.

I understand you can do that more quickly, you are willing to put additional time and effort into your endeavors to make that happen.  As you've said, it's your calling.  I am not willing to do that. If I can't get through to a kid from Aug 1 to Nov 1, from 5:30 pm to 8 pm on the 3 or 4 nights of practice, then it ain't happening.  I'm not a social worker, I'm not their parent, I'm just a volunteer youth coach.  I will do what I think is my best between the lines, during the season, but there is only so far I'm going to go.  And at this point, that is apparently insufficient for the needs of some kids, and I am accordingly choosing to hang it up vs. increase my commitment.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2017, 09:20:42 AM »
Eric, what's this mean?  Some orgs give you more access to your players than others?

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In my org, we move up with the kids.  Kids are grouped by grade.  I started with kids in 4th grade and took them all the way through 8th grade.  Very easy to connect with kids and work with them as they mature.  It helped that my son was on the team so I was talking with the kids all the time.

Regardless of your timeline, being able to connect and get buy-in is critical.  But who doesn't get new kids every year?  I've never coached a team that was the same, from one year to the next.  When I coached youth ball, only twice did I move "up with" my group (2002-2003 going from Mitey-Mite to Jr. PeeWee; 2006-2007 going from Jr. PeeWee to PeeWee) and even then we still had new faces to connect with.  Some years we do a better job of connecting than others.  When a local TV guy asked me what was the most important aspect of getting our offense to run successfully, I told him "buy in."  But that goes for team success, as well. 

So what were you thinking?

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For this group of kids, my goal was to coach them for the season.  It was all new kids and all new coaches.  Very little experience, so I wanted to get them started and teach them what I figured was the "right way".  After this season, they should be able to be self-sufficient.  Groom some coaches to take over, do some recruiting for next year, keep the kids engaged and happy during this year and then walk away.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2017, 10:11:52 AM »
In my org, we move up with the kids.  Kids are grouped by grade.  I started with kids in 4th grade and took them all the way through 8th grade.  Very easy to connect with kids and work with them

But did you never get any new players?  Or was it the same players from 4th grade all the way to 8th grade?

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #68 on: October 09, 2017, 10:48:40 AM »
But did you never get any new players?  Or was it the same players from 4th grade all the way to 8th grade?

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We got new players, but in much smaller numbers.  Once we had the core group of kids (about 15 of them) in 4th grade, we may have added a couple each season.  It is far easier to acclimate a small group of kids than it is to have 20 new kids.  At least that has been my experience thus far.  Still has to be done, but it takes a lot more time. 

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2017, 09:09:07 PM »
Won an easy one 21-0. Could have been 42-0.

Won the toss and deferred. Onside kick that we recovered well. Not sure why, but we are pretty good at them. Scored by pounding the ball up the middle with some good wedges and then hitting on a sweep for the score. Got the XP with Beast.

Almost got the next onside, but held them to 4 and out on their series. Took them down again with a good mix, but mainly powering them with our BB. Punched it in with our QB scoring on wedge. Scored on the XP with a pass.

Got the next onside again (do these teams even scout?). Mixed in our subs and tried some different things. We put in some PAP during the week and we wanted to work on it. Had 3rd and long and wanted to hit the TE post. Awful block by our BB and a bad roll by the QB. Sack loss for a bunch late in the first half and they call timeout. I tell them to run the same play with our BB having a better block and our QB rolling the right way. TE is covered by the safety, but our back is open in the flat. Pass hits back and we go 40 yards for the TD. Add Xp and we are up 21-0.

They get a couple of good plays with our second stringers in. Our LB makes a stop on a 50 yard run at the 3 with less than 30 seconds left in the half. We stuff a first down run and they use their last TO. Next play we stuff off tackle at the 3 and they try to hurry to the line. Time expires before they get another play off.

3 straight wins. Need to play our best next week against a good teams I like how we are playing though. Lots of work to do, but good effort
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2017, 03:39:35 PM »
Needed to win to make "playoffs" against a team that was .500. I was concerned that they had one playmaker that we needed to contain.

We ended up playing well on defense, but couldn't score at all. Ended up 0-0 at the end of regulation because we could not score from inside the 20 at the end. We had scored, but we held on a reverse that was pretty blatant.

In OT, they scored on 4th and 1 and got the XP. Probably my issue in that I was too quick to blitz.

On our possession, we could not get some good push and we had a 4th and 5 stopped by their fast player on a sweep at about the 1.

We did well at the end of the season with some young kids with no experience. Something to build on for next season although I won't be coaching them and it is likely they will have a different age mix.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2017, 10:33:25 PM »
Tried to get another game for last weekend, but had two teams back out. Disappointing end to the season.

Had a meeting with the coaches tonight to have a debrief on the season. I think we accomplished the goal of getting the kids excited enough to all come back and to have them learn. There is excitement for next season already.

I also told them that they need to recruit and hard. We need more numbers to have options other than combining across multiple ages. We have some challenges there at the older groups and it may impact team formations.

I also told them that it will be their team(s) next year. I have put in my time and it is time for others to take over. Not sure how they will take it, but it is how it needs to be. We will see how the org and that team adapts, but I think they are ready enough.

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2017, 12:58:50 AM »
Pats:

I too struggled this season taking on 4th-5th grade team. My frustrations are as yours, connection.  I totally missed on that aspect.  Unlike other teams I have taken over at 4th or 5th grade, this one proved to be "Hair Pulling" for me.  Lingo, Teaching ability, Team Concept. 

I struggled form the get go with terminology, learning how to teach them, and directing team concepts.  We won but one game and did not score but 20 points this season.  Offense was a complete mystery for them this year.  Nothing I tried clicked on the filed.  I went from 8 plays to 4 and still we struggled.  As a Coach I failed this season.  Yet I know the foundation was laid and we can do things and more next season. 

I took the Cubs 108 years.  It wont take us near that!  LOL  I feel your pain. 
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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2017, 07:45:23 AM »
I actually view the season as a success for what we wanted to accomplish. I think I could have done better and we could have won a couple of more games to be over .500 (lost 2 in OT). Looking back on it, we had 18 of our 20 kids who had never played before and the other 2 had never won a game before. From what I have heard, everyone of those kids wants to come back and there are more new kids who will be playing. That was most important.

However, I need to spend more time with work and my family at this point. So I will take some time to focus on those things and we will see what happens in the future.

I have told the new guys that they need to be here, though. :D

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Re: 2017 season - starting over with younger kids
« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2017, 07:55:24 AM »
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I too struggled this season taking on 4th-5th grade team. My frustrations are as yours, connection.  I totally missed on that aspect.  Unlike other teams I have taken over at 4th or 5th grade, this one proved to be "Hair Pulling" for me.  Lingo, Teaching ability, Team Concept. 

I struggled form the get go with terminology, learning how to teach them, and directing team concepts.  We won but one game and did not score but 20 points this season.  Offense was a complete mystery for them this year.  Nothing I tried clicked on the filed.  I went from 8 plays to 4 and still we struggled.  As a Coach I failed this season.  Yet I know the foundation was laid and we can do things and more next season. 

I took the Cubs 108 years.  It wont take us near that!  LOL  I feel your pain.

For me, it was easier for me to get young kids to play good defense than it was for them to play well offensively. On defense, I focused on their aggression and tackling with a sprinkling in of different alignments to start them in the right spot.

On offense, I went with DW and some Beast. I knew it better than other options. Looking back, I probably should have done something different. I had an OC who was used to HS ball and wanted to run spread. We would never been successful there, but maybe a SW may have been a better option. The moving parts for DW may have been too much for new players. I do know that they will be ready next year to have a more varied offense.