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Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« on: December 22, 2017, 12:49:20 PM »
Hey Guys,

I've been trying to implement Zone blocking for a few years with my youth football teams.  My biggest issue is leakage at the playside A Gap Center Combo block.  We are usually facing 62 defensive fronts.  It seems the Center Snap / get off is slower than the get off of the playside guard which creates a seam for the A gap defender.  How are you guys solving this issue?  Thanks for the help.

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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2017, 02:13:37 PM »
Hey Guys,

I've been trying to implement Zone blocking for a few years with my youth football teams.  My biggest issue is leakage at the playside A Gap Center Combo block.  We are usually facing 62 defensive fronts.  It seems the Center Snap / get off is slower than the get off of the playside guard which creates a seam for the A gap defender.  How are you guys solving this issue?  Thanks for the help.

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Maximum vertical splits?

Also if the 2 tech pinches the OG should at least chip that 2 tech hard as he climbs.

I'd also address the first step for the Center position. It does no have to be the same as the rest of the OL.

Another reason to place talent at the Center position.
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2017, 06:41:58 PM »
What gap are you trying to hit?  IIRC, from your PWBO material there is only a 6" split between your guards and center.  It should be pretty much impossible for an 'A' gap defender to consistently get through a playside  C & G combo block as long as they're both doing their jobs.  So, lets say you're attacking the 6 hole with zone blocking against a 62 defense.  Is your guard moving outside to the right and your center is not picking up the 'A' gap defender? It sounds like your C is just combo'ing the wrong defender.  Is he mistakenly combo'ing the backside 'A' gap defender (MOMA)? 

I don't think a max vertical split will help in this case.  Max vertical splits seem to be helpful to everyone on the O-line except for the C.  Stretching his snapping arm(s) out as far as he comfortably can does seem to help.  Although, Mahonz can still be right about the vertical splits. He's smarter than I am about that stuff.  Also, I have our O-linemen take flatter horizontal steps when we use wide splits.  No 45 degree angle attacking first step.  I have them use a 90 degree angle first step.  We only use 18" splits, though.  I'm not yet as bold- or good- as Mahonz, Michael and some of the others that use mega wide splits.
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2017, 08:17:54 PM »
Thanks for the feedback....

When we try to run Zone I am running wider splits than PWBO splits -> 12" to 24" between C-G depending on age and experience.  We also use max verticals, helmets at Center butt.  I've played with all that. 

Yep attacking 6 hole, Right Zone but still getting leakage at playside A gap with the wider splits.  I think we are not getting Centers with quick feet.  That is what I have thought all along.  If there is a real quick defender in playside A we have always had trouble with leakage here.  I guess, I need to find more athletic Centers.  This is what I have thought all along.  Since we are a rec league the Center is a tough position to fill properly with a quick footed FB type Center.  Like you, kinda, we have had better success with r/l track blocking with horizontal first steps than "true" zoning. 

Ya, I have told my playside  guards to always jab step inside and punch inside defender before climbing or moving outside, if the Center needs help.That does seem to help but still not where I like. 

Thanks for the feedback. I knew it was most likely my Center talent issue but really wanted to check.  We always seem to get big slow footed Centers.  I could also try to slow my Guards down more from climbing to fast. 

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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 09:47:30 AM »
UC or Gun?  Single Back?   Is there an Hback?   There are ways to increase protection if they cant seem to get up  to speed.  Are you pulling basckside?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 09:53:48 AM »
Is your center snapping on as many blocking drills as possible?

Is he blocking whenever he's snapping to the QB?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 12:19:17 PM »
Ya I know I can help protect that gap by doing all those. I just like to get it done the right way if I want to go full out Zone vs blocking rules that I use which work fine for me.  Just wanted to see if I was missing something in my process.  It sounds like I just need to recruit a quicker shot gun Center.  Which is what I thought.  Thanks for all the feedback.

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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 12:20:14 PM »
Ya, we try to have the Center doing those when he is snapping.  We do not just snap on air anymore.  Thanks Parker

Is your center snapping on as many blocking drills as possible?

Is he blocking whenever he's snapping to the QB?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 12:30:25 PM »
Hey Guys,

I've been trying to implement Zone blocking for a few years with my youth football teams.  My biggest issue is leakage at the playside A Gap Center Combo block.  We are usually facing 62 defensive fronts.  It seems the Center Snap / get off is slower than the get off of the playside guard which creates a seam for the A gap defender.  How are you guys solving this issue?  Thanks for the help.

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Parker are you this particular on just zone play?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 01:07:26 PM »
No why?  I am a perfectionist though.  I hate leakage at A Gap, I am that particular or peculiar whichever.  :)

Parker are you this particular on just zone play?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 01:31:00 PM »
No why?  I am a perfectionist though.  I hate leakage at A Gap, I am that particular or peculiar whichever.  :)
Sorry, I meant ask are you having this problem just with zone blocking?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 03:02:40 PM »
Hey Guys,

I've been trying to implement Zone blocking for a few years with my youth football teams.  My biggest issue is leakage at the playside A Gap Center Combo block.  We are usually facing 62 defensive fronts.  It seems the Center Snap / get off is slower than the get off of the playside guard which creates a seam for the A gap defender.  How are you guys solving this issue?  Thanks for the help.

~ Parker

1.  Max vertical splits.  Have the other OL align with their hands on the C's heel.

2.  Cut down the G's split if there's a play side A gap threat.  We're a HS team who bases from 2' wide horizontal splits, but we could cheat him inside to 1' or even less if we're having problems with an A gap rusher just blowing through that gap.

3.  If there's no threat in play side B gap, have the PSG work vertically through a 2i or 2 tech's play side number with eyes in play side B for run throughs/stunts.

4.  C has to got to work on snapping and stepping.  Have him punch with the off hand and step as he snaps the ball.  This takes tons of reps.  In every drill where he's snapping, he should work on stepping play side and punching.  The step should be with his play side foot and 6" flat.  If you're really struggling with stopping penetration, have him take a drop step ("bucket step") to hope his hips to play side A gap.

5.  If there's a DL in backside A gap, like a 1 tech, 2i, or even a LB walked up in the middle of the gap to shoot it AND NO THREAT TO PLAYSIDE A GAP, have the C "wrong-step" backside but keep his eyes in play side A gap and work through the defender's play side number with play side arm free and eyes in play side A gap.

6.  NEVER, EVER let your C turn his head and take his eyes off play side A gap on zone.  If you see him (or any OL) doing taking his eyes off his gap in any drill or practice rep, correct him immediately!

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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 03:05:59 PM »
Just with Zone mainly since we have Guards usually on other blocking calls down block to protect Center. 

Sorry, I meant ask are you having this problem just with zone blocking?
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2017, 09:37:13 AM »
Im late to this and everything has been touched on.

If you slip block the A gap -
A. You are not maximally recessed?
B. Are your splits too big for the players using it.
C. You dont have the correct kid at center

If you reach the A gap and solo block it with Center
A. Centers mechanics are bad...work snap..feet...hands
B. Your cadense are too consistent to where your line doesnt have an advantage
C. Wrong kid at center
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Re: Zone Blocking - Help Stop Leakage Playside A Gap
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 11:55:20 AM »
Late to the party...

Rep it rep it rep it...we worked boards nearly every practice, with the boards angled the way we wanted the line to step, flatter path for stretch, not as flat for zone...

and if the C is slow, working him against slow boys in practice won't help...we started working our ball guys as Dlineman and LB's against our Oline...at first they were getting beat badly, but tons of coaching opportunities, have them flatten that first step, get to where the bad guy is going to be, don't step at him. Using the quicker ball guys as defenders really played dividends...

Same as lot of others have said, decrease the C - G split, G hand help on the way to his block, fix his first step, all drills the C is snapping and moving.
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