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Offline Seabass

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2018, 01:29:09 PM »
I do think that there are different teaching/coaching methods that work depending on the student/player.  I have some kids that I can kick in the ass and it works better than just talking to them.  I have others that, if I were to kick them in the ass, they would shut it down and not listen.  The difference is that we are looking to do what is best for the team in football.  In school, I don't think that they are looking at the collective results (or are they)?

I don't think that's as much about a kid's preferred learning style as it is about his emotional maturity.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2018, 01:31:20 PM »
I don't think that's as much about a kid's preferred learning style as it is about his emotional maturity.

Yeah, I forgot what happens when I throw a rock in the pond.
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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2018, 01:38:47 PM »
Hey...its a football Forum so it relates.

I found it an interesting article.

There is absolutely nothing that you can't draw the wrong conclusion from.  Your ability to do it is astounding.
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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2018, 01:39:18 PM »
No, but I've seen plenty of successful coaches who don't give out playbooks or diagrams because they've found them to be wastes of time.

Yet....they are still the Masters of the Napkin Doodle....or in Joes case....any glass door will do.  :)
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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2018, 01:41:19 PM »
There is absolutely nothing that you can't draw the wrong conclusion from.  Your ability to do it is astounding.

Multiple conclusions are the spice of life. You should try it sometime.
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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2018, 01:48:40 PM »
I did really well in classes that peaked my interest (too bad there weren't more of those) and horribly in those I found to be boring or useless. The teaching style played no part in those 2 different outcomes.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2018, 01:51:29 PM »
Multiple conclusions are the spice of life. You should try it sometime.

Hard to survive only on spice, but you certainly try.
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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 01:52:04 PM »
Hard to survive only on spice, but you certainly try.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 01:56:11 PM »
I don't think that's as much about a kid's preferred learning style as it is about his emotional maturity.

Not sure about "maturity" being part of it.  Red Auerbach used to do this with his Celtic teams.  Belichick does it with the Patriots players.  There are some guys that you rip into and some that you don't. Often times, you rip into the guy, not because he did something egregiously wrong, but because it sends a message to everyone else that, "if coach can get on him for doing it wrong, I better get my butt in gear". 

My point is that you cannot dismiss how a message is delivered and how it is received as parts of the equation.  Some people receive messages better when delivered in different ways. I also find that using different methods reduces the likelihood that they will tune you out as many people eventually tune out the same message delivered over and over in the same way. 

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 04:54:10 PM »
Not sure about "maturity" being part of it.  Red Auerbach used to do this with his Celtic teams.  Belichick does it with the Patriots players.  There are some guys that you rip into and some that you don't. Often times, you rip into the guy, not because he did something egregiously wrong, but because it sends a message to everyone else that, "if coach can get on him for doing it wrong, I better get my butt in gear". 

My point is that you cannot dismiss how a message is delivered and how it is received as parts of the equation.  Some people receive messages better when delivered in different ways. I also find that using different methods reduces the likelihood that they will tune you out as many people eventually tune out the same message delivered over and over in the same way.

Maybe maturity isn't the right word. Some kids (and adults) can handle criticism, "scary tone", or a loud voice and some can't...that's different than I understand a picture better than text.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2018, 05:41:09 PM »
I think Michael's point may have been that the "learning styles" thing isn't that it's a completely bogus concept, but that it's just WAY overplayed.  I've thought the same too, I just never cared enough to take time to read an article about it.   :)

And if that wasn't Michael's point...well, then, it's mine.   :P

And I believe there's some validity to the test taking thing too.  IMO, some people are good test takers and some aren't, I am absolutely convinced it's a thing.  I routinely aced tests with minimal preparation while others didn't with far more preparation.  That said, I think it's overplayed as well.  My wife will tell me stories about kids using it as a crutch (she's a 4th grade teacher, used to be middle school SPED).  Even she rolls her eyes at it.

To me it kind of feels like it's similar to clutch in sports. Some people wilt under the pressure, some don't.  The more you prepare the less likely you are to wilt, but ultimately, some just are, and some just aren't.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2018, 05:57:17 PM »
I dont think I have ever seen a playbook that didn't include diagrams.

Are we now saying that this isnt necessarily a better tool for learning?
The issue isn't what's best to convey something, but whether different people do better learning the same material presented different ways.

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Re: Learning styles, or lack thereof.
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2018, 06:01:52 PM »
Seems reasonable to me. The variables might be that a given student prefers one leaning method over another and perhaps strongly dislikes one or another. Another might be that some subject matter (a football play for example) is easier to learn via a certain method.

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