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Tanner Lee?
« on: April 28, 2018, 07:39:17 PM »
Anyone have any idea about this guy? I know he started at Nebraska last year after transferring from Tulane. The Jags just picked him up in the 6th and most fans hate the pick. Anyone have some inside info on him?

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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2018, 07:41:14 PM »
Lots of turnovers
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 07:46:18 PM »
Lots of turnovers
Well yeah, besides that? lol.

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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2018, 06:37:35 AM »
 He is an interception and pic six machine

He is an amazing 7 on 7 QB
Everyone will be ohing and ahing at his throwing ability when there are no pads and no defenders
He is the right size for NFL QB- looks the part
He can make all the throws with good velocity- in shorts
He has a quick release- spins it well- pretty tight spirals
He is a very nice, smart and intelligent kid-Great attitude, team player, extremely mature, classy kid- GREAT citizen

HOWEVER- once he goes from shorts and skeleton to 11 on 11 with full pads and no green jersey- he has a real tough time finding the right receiver
He has no pocket awareness- doesnt move well in the pocket either
He is slow
With his eyes right from the snap- he latches onto one receiver and throws to that player- no matter how covered he is or how wide open his other receivers are
Despite playing for a former NFL QB whisperer- Danny Langsdorf- Lee still refuses to throw to the open back out of the backfield for the guaranteed gain and instead will try to slip a pass into double or triple coverage,  Im fully convinced that even under the threat of imminent death- he would steadfastedly refuse to throw to the wide open back out of the backfield even on a 1st and 10 play.
I think he led the country in pic sixes last year- He was in the 95 percentile for interceptions- He is an interception magnet
He looks the part- BUT He was a wasted draft pick

Although he played for an absolutely inept and incompetent coaching staff- they have "NFL" credentials and he played in an NFL system here- I dont think there is any meat left on the bone as far as development goes
However there are a number of journeymen backup QBs in the NFL who look the part and suck once they are put in real games.  He could end up as one of those guys- but if he ever really does get into a game where the actual goal is to win the game- instead of look really good in shorts/practice- he will be a huge failure.

I almost forgot- This was really aggravating for me- it's a "me" problem
He LOVES throwing the short 5-6 yard flat hitch or out pattern on 3rd and 8-9
Nebraska HAD to have led the nation on being 3rd and long and throwing just short of the sticks and ending up being 4th and 1- literally DOZENS of times
Of course part of that is on very poor coaching- horrific play calling by a loser NFL minded coaching staff. But if Im the QB and the idiotic coaches have called a play where it is 100% impossible to get a first down- maybe the QB realizes that and throws to any one of his other 4 receivers who are all in patterns past the sticks. Again- that wasnt all on him- but part of it was.

FYI he was a tranfer from Tulane- At Tulane he has something like 22 INts in one season- he was an Interception magnet there
The thought was under better coaches and with better players he would succeed at Nebraska
Well he did have better supporting class players- Nebraskas recruiting ranking average over the last 6 years has been tops in their division- by an average of over 10 spots higher than it's closest divisional rival - Rivals recruiting rankings
Nebraska won just 4 games under Lee (worst record in 56 years) and lost to many teams including a MAC team with MUCH lower recruiting rankings AKA much worse players
The change in scenery and talent didnt matter for Lee- his past results at Tulane were pretty much in line with his results here
Again - not all on him- the coaching staff was lazy and inept. But Lee is who he is no matter if he is playing at Tulane, Nebraska or Alabama
« Last Edit: April 29, 2018, 09:24:15 AM by davecisar »
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 07:13:13 AM »
Dont be depressed Dim

Lee has fooled many fans and even coaches with his amazing in shorts arm ability:
https://www.cornnation.com/2018/1/28/16942288/tanner-lee-struggles-at-senior-bowl

FYI- I wasnt one of those fans. While I still went to the games and supported the team and players- I was 100% positive the Smilin Mike Riley coaching staff would fail the day they were hired and I thought Lee would have the same results here that he had at Tulane.  Lee left a year early- because he knows he has no chance to see the field with the Scott Frost offense.  Had Lee stayed- he would have been "playing" behind a true Freshman, Redshirt Freshman and Walk On transfer. Since NU has what several services have ranked as the #1 most difficult schedule and will probably only win 6 or 7 games next year- it was highly likely Lee wouldnt have played even a single snap and wouldnt have made the travel squad. 

Unfortunately- Tanner Lee is that very pretty sports car that has gone through 5 owners in 3 years and is a lemon- has electrical issues- wont start
Everyone thinks that with just the right mix of coaching and environment they can turn him around
A lemon is a lemon- he's not a QB who will win games in the NFL
Looks great in the "costume" and practice though- if only the team could get points awarded for that
The dealio is- the game thing is REALLY important- some guys dont get that:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/13/16645742/mike-riley-nebraska-quote-comment "We have had very few issues, except for the games"

While the Jags coaching/scouting staff definitely missed the boat on this one- at least it was a late pick
But if I was a Jags fan- that decision making ability would give me pause.
If you guys need a good scout team QB to build up your defenses confidence- he's your guy- starter- not so much
« Last Edit: April 29, 2018, 08:55:05 AM by davecisar »
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2018, 09:22:21 AM »
Apparently that Jags have one of his coaches from Tulane on staff and that is why they felt comfortable drafting him. The arm talent is legit and from what I have seen, there isn't a throw he can't make. Thankfully as of right now he will be the 3rd string guy and if he flashes in camp, he has a chance to make the team as our 3rd QB. Not counting on it, but we will see. Thanks for your input Dave. You are the one person I was hoping would chime in as you are a long time Husker fan.

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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2018, 09:49:05 AM »
Yep
He can make all the throws as long as there are ZERO defenders on the field and no rush
When they invent that game- he would be a star
In real football- not at all
Nice kid though if you need someone to throw interceptions to your defense in scout to get their confidence up

When you watch his real game film- you get to see how many extremely covered recievers he likes to throw to and how many interceptions that leads to and of course the sacks and tipped balls because of his lack of mobility. He was awful at Tulane, awful at Nebraska and in his short stint in the College All Star game- he did what he always does- 2 Turnovers- one returned for a TD- its like groundhog day.

There are several throws he cant make- the ones that are to open receivers and NOT to the opposing players  ;D
Ive lived it- not pretty. He couldnt win against Northern Illinois with the talent disparity NU had let alone against NFL defenses

He had Danny Langsdorf tutoring him- the same guy who supposedly turned around Manning with the Giants
« Last Edit: May 01, 2018, 09:56:28 AM by davecisar »
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2018, 11:39:52 PM »
Well, it's good to know that his career is totally over now. No hope of salvaging this young man. I don't even see a reason why he should bother trying.
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2018, 08:05:38 AM »
Well, it's good to know that his career is totally over now. No hope of salvaging this young man. I don't even see a reason why he should bother trying.
You sound just like a guy I know on the Jaguars fan message boards, lol.

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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 09:18:17 AM »
Well, it's good to know that his career is totally over now. No hope of salvaging this young man. I don't even see a reason why he should bother trying.

If you watched every snap he took last year like I did- in 12 games you would have had the same opinion as me
I also read every article written about him in the local papers and have former players on the team

BUT terrible journeymen QBs with "potential" sometimes catch on in the league and can make some money as a backup- per my post- so why not take the camp $$ and give it a whirl. He could catch on with a team that cares more about what a player looks like when he is playing skeleton/"potential"- than what he has ever accomplished in pads in real games with multiple teams.

He is a great practice player and teammate- however if the goal is to win games- he's not the guy- he's proven that with 3 different teams- Tulane, Nebraska, College All Star game- all 3 same exact results. But yeah, Im sure Im wrong and he will be the next Peyton Manning- all his failures have been "circumstances"  ::)
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2018, 09:26:12 AM »
Josh Allen was drafted mainly due to his measurables and arm strength in round 1. Jags drafted a Lee in round 6 for the same reasons. If he becomes a serviceable back up eventually, I will be happy. If he preforms to the level of being tradable and bringing in a draft pick or 2 I would be ecstatic. I am not expecting him to replace Blake, but I am not writing him off as a wasted pick either.

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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2018, 09:31:13 AM »
Josh Allen was drafted mainly due to his measurables and arm strength in round 1. Jags drafted a Lee in round 6 for the same reasons. If he becomes a serviceable back up eventually, I will be happy. If he preforms to the level of being tradable and bringing in a draft pick or 2 I would be ecstatic. I am not expecting him to replace Blake, but I am not writing him off as a wasted pick either.

To me, most any player taken after the Fourth Round is a roll of the dice anyway. Rarely does a player taken that late develop a career, so you might as well pick your poison and live with it. If the guy flames out, what was really lost?
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2018, 09:31:42 AM »
You sound just like a guy I know on the Jaguars fan message boards, lol.

That guy sounds like a butthead.
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2018, 01:00:44 PM »
To compare Rosen to Lee is laughable

Rosen threw for twice as many touchdowns as interceptions
Lee there about the same number of touchdowns as interceptions

Rosen completed  over 60 percent of his throws all 3 years
Lee never got close to 60
53 one season

Yards per attempt Rosen is ahead by about 20 percent

Rosen is mobile
Lee is immobile

Lee led the country in pick sixes at Nebraska  was in the top 5 while in Tulane
So he does have the consistency thing down

Lee never played on a winning team in college
Rosen did

I’m guessing that’s why Rosen went what in round 1 and Lee probably shouldn’t have been drafted in round 6

But I wasn’t at practice
But suffered through watching every snap he took in games
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Re: Tanner Lee?
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2018, 01:16:20 PM »
To compare Rosen to Lee is laughable

Rosen threw for twice as many touchdowns as interceptions
Lee there about the same number of touchdowns as interceptions

Rosen completed  over 60 percent of his throws all 3 years
Lee never got close to 60
53 one season

Yards per attempt Rosen is ahead by about 20 percent

Rosen is mobile
Lee is immobile

Lee led the country in pick sixes at Nebraska  was in the top 5 while in Tulane
So he does have the consistency thing down

I’m guessing that’s why Rosen went what in round 1 and Lee probably shouldn’t have been drafted in round 6

But I wasn’t at practice
But suffered through watching every snap he took in games
I said Allen, not Rosen.