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Tracking mpp's
« on: September 03, 2018, 09:47:47 AM »
Does anyone have a good chart for tracking rotation and plays for mpp's"? We have a 25 +_ 10u squad with about 8-9 mpp's. They need to rotate for 8 plays each, which is my job to track. Honestly, I am a little worried about it. The league has provided nothing. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2018, 10:06:37 AM »
I need to know the exact number of players on the roster, the length of your quarters and then call me and I’ll tell you how to figure it out.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2018, 10:46:07 AM »
Thanks Coach.. game day roster will be 26, I'd say 9 mpp's, and 10 minute quarters. I'll call in the next day or two. R

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 10:56:48 AM »
Forgot to mention.. each mpp needs 8 plays.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2018, 01:23:01 PM »
I'd say 9 mpp's

Wow. How do you define "MPP"? That's a third of your team.
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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 08:32:04 AM »
Kid comes to practice for 2-4 days a week and only plays 8 plays from scrimmage or worse... and why is football dying?
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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2018, 09:31:13 AM »
What makes these 9 MPPs, MPPs? What can they do well? At least one thing. Find a spot where they can excel and use the as substitutions. Practice them at those spots and coach them up. You maybe surprised at what they can do.
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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2018, 09:46:17 AM »
Excel sheet with players names and 8 sections to check off as they enter the game. Put a star by all the starters, because they will have 8 plays within the first couple series. Having a roster spot for each player will make locating players easier. Creating an MPP offense is also a great way to get reps, plays, experience, and finding diamonds in the rough.
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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2018, 11:01:55 AM »
Kid comes to practice for 2-4 days a week and only plays 8 plays from scrimmage or worse... and why is football dying?
This is where I am torn. I play in a no min play league. No one is required to get all their kids in the game so against the really good teams you have to chose, do you play everyone equally or do you play your studs and try to win the game. Can you win playing mpps? sure. Is it that much harder when the other team only plays their studs, you bet ya. 

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2018, 11:53:10 AM »
This is where I am torn. I play in a no min play league. No one is required to get all their kids in the game so against the really good teams you have to chose, do you play everyone equally or do you play your studs and try to win the game. Can you win playing mpps? sure. Is it that much harder when the other team only plays their studs, you bet ya.

I dont think equal play is good for anyone. I dont think its great for the sport, your program and esp the kids to be hidden or only played 8 plays a game. Pop warner has a min play requirement of 10plays with rosters size. So by rule no coach is required to play more , so im very familiar.

You have kids that should be on the field more than others by any train of thought.  Playing time for me directly reflected attendance. We went 3 days a week during school. The kids that only showed up 2 would plays less than those who made 3.

Did we have to move things around to remain "competitive" of coarse...thats coaching isnt it?  Rotation of players and getting everyone involved is the only to get better as a "team".  Just my thoughts

Most of our lesser players played offense.  What you would consider mpp would be near much better players. Less physical kids played receiver and loved it... kids more aggresive were somewhere on the line as i was the oline coach i welcomed it bc most teams mpp the interior front anyway.

On defense we rotated 1 player at a time and made sure he couldnt he iso'd by the opposition, we always put good defender near them.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2018, 02:20:30 PM »
I dont think equal play is good for anyone. I dont think its great for the sport, your program and esp the kids to be hidden or only played 8 plays a game. Pop warner has a min play requirement of 10plays with rosters size. So by rule no coach is required to play more , so im very familiar.

You have kids that should be on the field more than others by any train of thought.  Playing time for me directly reflected attendance. We went 3 days a week during school. The kids that only showed up 2 would plays less than those who made 3.

Did we have to move things around to remain "competitive" of coarse...thats coaching isnt it?  Rotation of players and getting everyone involved is the only to get better as a "team".  Just my thoughts

Most of our lesser players played offense.  What you would consider mpp would be near much better players. Less physical kids played receiver and loved it... kids more aggresive were somewhere on the line as i was the oline coach i welcomed it bc most teams mpp the interior front anyway.

On defense we rotated 1 player at a time and made sure he couldnt he iso'd by the opposition, we always put good defender near them.

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Honestly, I wish at times AAU had min play rules. It forces us to be better coaches. That and it would force us to get kids more than token plays to appease parents.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2018, 02:55:15 PM »
A while back, I had a good back and forth with Gumby about MPPs. I listened to his arguments and could understand where he was coming from, but I still don't agree. To me, it's just youth football. Everyone should get as much playing time as possible, provided they put in the work.

Currently, my roster stands at about 19 players. I have set up two offenses and two defenses. Some players will play on two of those squads and some will play on three. Each O and D has a quarter to themselves. Unless a kid wants to come out or there's an injury, all players stay in. I don't care if the game is on the line or not. Nothing says "you're worthless" to a kid than yanking him at a pivotal moment and having his sub make a play. I went through it and I watched my own kids go through it and it's painful. But that's my take based on my own experiences. Gumby is way better at handling this than I am, but this works for me.
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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2018, 03:10:44 PM »
Does anyone have a good chart for tracking rotation and plays for mpp's"? We have a 25 +_ 10u squad with about 8-9 mpp's. They need to rotate for 8 plays each, which is my job to track. Honestly, I am a little worried about it. The league has provided nothing. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Am I missing something?  Why not just tick marks by their name?  Could be a bit of a scramble with a pencil if either team is playing hurry-up, but I can't think of any faster way to do it.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2018, 03:20:56 PM »
A while back, I had a good back and forth with Gumby about MPPs. I listened to his arguments and could understand where he was coming from, but I still don't agree. To me, it's just youth football. Everyone should get as much playing time as possible, provided they put in the work.

Currently, my roster stands at about 19 players. I have set up two offenses and two defenses. Some players will play on two of those squads and some will play on three. Each O and D has a quarter to themselves. Unless a kid wants to come out or there's an injury, all players stay in. I don't care if the game is on the line or not. Nothing says "you're worthless" to a kid than yanking him at a pivotal moment and having his sub make a play. I went through it and I watched my own kids go through it and it's painful. But that's my take based on my own experiences. Gumby is way better at handling this than I am, but this works for me.
Smaller rosters are great for making sure every kid gets in. It gets harder when you have larger rosters like ours. We have almost 30 kids on the roster. If I had 19, no biggie. Easy peezy. Right now our best bet is to run 2 offenses but so far the header has been reluctant to do that. The only bad part is that forces us 2 use 8 subs at WR and that can be a pita to deal with.

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Re: Tracking mpp's
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2018, 01:38:28 AM »
I hate to continue with the hijacking of the thread but this topic always gets me. My son just quit playing because of this.

I was his youth coach. He is not the most athletic kid, small and not as aggressive as a coach would like. But he is smart and will do exactly as you tell him to do.  I always played him at backside DE and his role was run contain. He was great at it. I have 4 years of film where not a single play got outside against him ever. His rule was if the EMLOS got his hands to his outside shoulder and was able to turn him in then next play he lined up 6" wider until he could beat the block and hold contain.  He loved playing.

When he got to middle school ball in 7th grade his entire staff ignored him. He was backup CB and legitimately was too slow to play there. He was on the field for exactly 2 plays the entire season even though he fought for reps in practice at any position. if a player came out and coach yelled for a LB he was first one on the field only to get kicked off the minute a coach realized it was him whether he screwed up or not. He nearly quit.

8th grade year, he was on the verge of quitting. I gave him the "Dont let  1 bad year with 1 bad coach ruin your love for the game you only have so many years you get to play" speech. He played. Exact same results. On a 30 player roster only 17 players saw the field unless they were up by more than 35. He did play an entire 2nd half in 1 game. Up 36-0 with 2 minutes left in the first half. wholesale subbing at halftime. They still won 45-6.

9th grade year. He is excited to play for a very good coach that believes if you put in the work, you will get on the field and still year after year finds a way to win.  My son is the only incoming freshman in the weight room at 7am starting in April with the Varsity.  As soon as summer vacation hits he is in the weight room at 8am and on the field for skills camp with the varsity 4 days a week.  New Varsity Coach is hired, a Division 2 college OL coach that wants to restore the program to its former glory.  Old freshman coach leaves the program and the previous 8th grade coach (science teacher who has exactly 1 year experience coaching football) is promoted to new freshman coach.  He sends emails almost daily praising my kid for being the only freshman out there getting better. 2 weeks before actual practice starts other JV and Freshman start trickling in to the offseason workouts and my son loses all reps in camp. Slowly trickling down the depth chart with every new kid who shows up.

First day of actual practice. the schedule is 2pm-430pm on the field practicing, 430-6 team dinner and leadership training, 6-830 pm back on the field practicing.  5pm roles around and my son pulls into the driveway on his bike and I can tell immediately something is up. He says he didnt get a single rep in any drill. Everytime he was the next man in line the coach replaced him with someone else.  I called up another dad I know from coaching youth ball with him. His son is in the same grade and I know he is at the field to watch practice. He confirms my sons story. Son is pissed because he put in all that work over the summer for nothing. He quit. I got an email from the coach asking why he left practice so i explained it to him. His response was "Well we really love having him on the team so hopefully next year he changes his mind and comes back. He can turn in his helmet tomorrow between 145 and 2."

I couldnt even write a response to it, I told him to take a year off and help me with my Varsity team. He is up in the booth scouting opposing offenses for tendencies then he lets me know what he sees at halftime. I want to keep him engaged. He also is taking up the role of student ref for the youth program and helps the coach of his younger brother at his practices.  Next year he can come play for me. My roster isnt deep enough to leave kids on the sideline, I have to coach them up. Proficiency at 1 task has value.

Use all your kids, not equally but dont ever just give a kid the minimum. He busts his butt for you so he deserves the same from you.