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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2018, 09:55:33 AM »
Good points. Trap man is good, our LT takes a tremendous amount of pride in flat backing the trap man. We see a lot of 6 man fronts at this level, so it is the last 2 guys on the line that have a chance at the tackle.

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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2018, 10:28:51 AM »
Here are 2 examples. Both the trap man doesn't come up field and the LT turns up into the hole. The first is Buck trap, our LG and C blew the double team and our TE blocked inside backer instead of outside. The second is a Veer trap.

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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2018, 10:32:55 AM »
Trap to wrap

The pulling guard should be attacking into the line of scrimmage anyway.
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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2018, 11:15:04 AM »
I really want to run trap because we will most likely play a team again that has a terror at DT. He is small but man can he fire off the ball. He has to be the most explosive DT in the league. I want to trap the heck out of him the next time we play them.

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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2018, 11:59:24 AM »
Here is another veer trap. The 5 back(SE) splits the 2 DL because they don't even see him. I think the kick/fold scheme will solve that and if the TE blocks out he would have that corner who made the tackle.

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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2018, 02:37:20 PM »
I would like to get your guys thoughts on tackle trap. We are MM level so no nose guard, our trap man has been first man past center. From left to right, LT pulls right and K/O trap man. LG and C double team 1st man backside of center. RG goes to inside backer, RT goes to inside backer, TE goes to first outside backer.

We have been successful  but it's not as clean as I would like. Most times the d-line dosen't fly upfield and this allows them to have a chance at making a tackle. We put in a trap kick tag, where the RG blocks down, but this causes our RT to bend his path and hit the MLB 2 steps later then normal. I was thinking we could have the RT fold under the RG and have a straight shot at MLB, but I haven't fit it yet. Not sure if he can get there before the back comes through. I'll find out today.

We have 3 types of trap, Belly, Veer, and Buck. Buck hits fast enough, I think it is fine. The other two take a second longer and might need some tweaking.

Look forward to hearing your ideas. I am the O-line coach for Coach JC. He turned me on to Dum Coach a few years ago and it has been a great tool.

I'd typed up a response to this and thought it posted earlier, but I don't see it.  Oh well...

If you're not running it when DL are flying upfield or to attack an ILB who's overpursuing, why are you calling it?  Also, I'm not sure why you're double teaming the first DL backside on trap--if your C can get a decent back block on backside A, the G is clean to block backside B-to-C gap to protect against anyone chasing the pulling T or that BSG can go on up to LB.

I like Tackle Trap as way to block a counter off Belly.  That's how I really like it.  Fake Belly to the FB, hand off to a HB coming back behind the T on Tackle Trap.  Tell the ball carrier to hug the downblocks and have the T kick out the first DL on or outside the G.  Everyone inside the POA on the playside will block down.  Everyone past the POA will release to the 2nd level to get LBs.  The Trapper needs to go "back and attack" up into the line with his head inside and "hitting foot" up.

IME, Guard Trap works better for Buck and Veer Trap because of how quick it hits and the angle your trapper has on a good DT.  Tackle Trap works best when your ball carrier is coming from at least as wide as the T on the side he's pulling from.

At MM level, though, Trap can be a crapshoot just to get the little guys to use proper technique.  Backs want to hit it too wide, trappers will just block the guy they're trapping head on instead of fitting with head inside and outside foot up, etc.  Wedge or a base blocking scheme like OIL or GOB is much simpler to work with the bobbleheads.

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Re: Tackle trap
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2018, 05:51:42 PM »
I'd typed up a response to this and thought it posted earlier, but I don't see it.  Oh well...

If you're not running it when DL are flying upfield or to attack an ILB who's overpursuing, why are you calling it?  Also, I'm not sure why you're double teaming the first DL backside on trap--if your C can get a decent back block on backside A, the G is clean to block backside B-to-C gap to protect against anyone chasing the pulling T or that BSG can go on up to LB.

I like Tackle Trap as way to block a counter off Belly.  That's how I really like it.  Fake Belly to the FB, hand off to a HB coming back behind the T on Tackle Trap.  Tell the ball carrier to hug the downblocks and have the T kick out the first DL on or outside the G.  Everyone inside the POA on the playside will block down.  Everyone past the POA will release to the 2nd level to get LBs.  The Trapper needs to go "back and attack" up into the line with his head inside and "hitting foot" up.

IME, Guard Trap works better for Buck and Veer Trap because of how quick it hits and the angle your trapper has on a good DT.  Tackle Trap works best when your ball carrier is coming from at least as wide as the T on the side he's pulling from.

At MM level, though, Trap can be a crapshoot just to get the little guys to use proper technique.  Backs want to hit it too wide, trappers will just block the guy they're trapping head on instead of fitting with head inside and outside foot up, etc.  Wedge or a base blocking scheme like OIL or GOB is much simpler to work with the bobbleheads.

Why are we running it? 2 reasons.

1: Stubbornness
2: Boredom.

We can score pretty much any time we want. So we’re just looking for ways to challenge ourselves and our kids.

As far as the C being able to wash the 1 tech, I agree. But I’ve found that at the youth level, trap works better when you get a dominant double at the POA. Gives the FB confidence to run the correct path which allows the FB to hit it fast.

The problem w/ guard trap at this level is we’re seeing a ton of double 1’s. And while you can trap the PS1, it’s just a tight fit. By doubling w/ our C & guard on the BS1, we guarantee a clear path for our tackcle, & it allows slower reacting trap men more time to get up field.

At the JV level we only run tackle trap behind belly action. Running tackle trap behind buck is strictly an age level/rules adjustment (they’re not allowed to cover our center.

As far as our technique goes, it’s pretty damn good when we get defense that actually gets up field. The trap man gets flat backed most of the time. FB hit’s the hole fast (tho he’s still not great at reading the second level. Everyone else is solid, except TE sometikes gets confused on who to block 2nd level.

Added surprise benefit to running T trap behind buck: Our T has to move incredibly fast or he’ll get run over by our FB. So our T is FLYING down the line & just destorying the trap man. More so that i’ve ever got from G trap, even at the JV level.
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