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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2018, 03:02:37 PM »
We have our “NASCAR” package which features our 4 best RB’s on the D-line.
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #61 on: October 09, 2018, 03:34:14 PM »
We just basically put our best blockers on the oline. Sometimes we had some conflicts with whether to start a kid on the oline or at fb or something like that. You work that out with the personnel you have. I never liked the idea of having a kid play oline that didn't always practice oline.  We often had des or backers who played on the oline. More often it was back up fb, rb, mlb, de etc. What difference that can make. People talk about the puller not getting there. Put a better athlete at guard and watch what happens.

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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #62 on: October 09, 2018, 03:42:36 PM »
We just basically put our best blockers on the oline. Sometimes we had some conflicts with whether to start a kid on the oline or at fb or something like that. You work that out with the personnel you have. I never liked the idea of having a kid play oline that didn't always practice oline.  We often had des or backers who played on the oline. More often it was back up fb, rb, mlb, de etc. What difference that can make. People talk about the puller not getting there. Put a better athlete at guard and watch what happens.

We got lucky this year. Our starting O-line is just a perfect mix & all but 1 are fired up to play O-line. The 1 (our RG), while wanting to be a RB, is an absolute DOMINANT lineman. We do get him a few carries here and there w/ our backup offense & Beast unit.
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #63 on: October 09, 2018, 03:50:16 PM »
In my experience, have DT chase guards does not lead to success.  You are asking a lot out of the DT.  I only see success with this technique at the very best college programs, which have great athletes at DT.  I would focus more on the DE's anchoring down and have them attack pulling guard, wrong arm.  This will mess with the timing of the play on offense and cause the back to make a false step, which should create time to blow up the play.  Linebackers should read quards.  Play side should get a down block and play side should fill immediately.  Backside will see guard pull, he should read cloudy to clear.  Once he sees an open gap, attack.  Now, rep the crap out of it.

Why not have the DTs chase the pulling G AND DL wrong-arming kick outs at them AND have LBs reading guards to fill open windows all at the same time as part of the overall defense?  Who said to count on that one specific thing to be your answer when you can try all three at once?

When you say it doesn't lead to success, what do you coach the DTs to do vs. a G's pull instead that is more "successful?"  The definition of "success" here isn't necessarily the DTs making every tackle but merely affecting the play with his pursuit to take away cutback lanes with backside pursuit.

One thing I'm sort of surprised never got mentioned in this thread was the old anti-Wing-T technique of inverting your DL with your big "DT" kids at DE and quicker "DE" kids at DT.  If you're spilling with your defense (which I advocate) or have an OLB playing outside the DE to force, it seems like this would dramatically improve your matchups physically, possibly even turning loose two of your better athletes to make plays in the backfield when the Gs pull away.  Wing-oriented offenses (Wing-T, DW, SW, etc.) normally don't put big base blocking bruisers at G, anyway, so the advantage on base blocks is often still on the DE's side.

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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #64 on: October 09, 2018, 04:28:10 PM »
It seems so obvious to me, I don't understand how youth coaches just don't get it.

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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #65 on: October 09, 2018, 04:30:07 PM »
We have our “NASCAR” package which features our 4 best RB’s on the D-line.

Jake, which defensive positions would they otherwise be playing?

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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #66 on: October 09, 2018, 04:35:53 PM »
Jake, which defensive positions would they otherwise be playing?

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They move from corners & spurs to down lineman.

Our starting down lineman are athletic too, so they just transition to corners & spurs. We don’t actually sub anyone out. We just go from good front 4 to INSANE front 4.
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #67 on: October 09, 2018, 04:38:29 PM »
Okay, so we have a dline call we will make in short yardage against certain types of teams...we call it Tomahawk...we essentially cut down their oline...we have used it maybe 6 or 8 times this season in 5 games...

Before we put it in, we taught the Dline to cut...

Last week, one of the smaller kids on my team who plays DE for us, because all he does is whatever we ask of him, anywho...we are working on trying to find our replacement G and we run counter...2 back side pullers, one pulls for KO (G) the other pulls to create vertical lanes...we have 3 kids on the dline that we flip from side to side, one of them being the tiny DE...anyway, the play is a complete mess....so I line everyone back up, trying to trouble shoot why the play was blown up in the back field...so I start my trouble shooting...and the DE cuts me off and says "I cut the G in the backfield"...which we never cut our own players in practice...so I chewed on him for cutting and asked him why he did that, he told me he was tired of getting blown up by the pulling Guard, so he cut him...secretly...I was proud of him...I'll tell him after the season is over :P
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #68 on: October 10, 2018, 12:49:41 AM »
Here’s a clip of our NASCAR group: https://www.hudl.com/v/2AbDDi

Look at our NG trying to fight thru a triple team. This team really is a group of savage animals. Partly cuz they hardly get to play D (our all sub D probably out snaps them).
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #69 on: October 10, 2018, 01:09:54 AM »
Since we talked about it so much, here’s us running trap this week:

https://www.hudl.com/v/2AbMFB

This one is classic. Our tackle executing the trap block, executes a perfect roll tackle on the trap man. lol. No call. However they did call the clean block down field. https://www.hudl.com/v/2AbNzF

Notice the flatback on the BSDT both plays. The other part of trying to read pur guard is that will guarantee you’ll find your down lineman picking grass out of their helmet. It’s likely to happen anyways. But it’s a virtually certainty w/ any sort of hesitation.
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Re: Defense against pulling guards 10-11 year olds
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2018, 06:08:26 AM »
We have our “NASCAR” package which features our 4 best RB’s on the D-line.

I call this shock and awe..but that is because my fb is 195 pounds and my tailback is 190 pounds.  210 pound TE at DE (backup fb). Other DE is my starting Mike.