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Re: Little Help
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2018, 02:49:53 PM »
I am coaching an 8U team and have moved up with my son. This is our third year with the same group of boys and we have ran a 4-4 with the outside backers are wide and walked up close to the line and have primary contain and secondary contain goes to the corners. This defense has gotten the job done in our league we don't have to worry about passes only like 1 or two per game. We teach the OLBs that containing and staying at home is their job.

We run the same alignment. 4-4, 4-2-5 , same deal.

But we don’t contain. I actually don’t ever use that word w/our defense anymore. To me containing is too passive. we force everything. Containing backers/ends is why our offense can’t be stopped. All a contain edge defender means to me, is that I don’t have to block him. He’s blocked himself.
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2018, 03:22:32 PM »
Ummmmmm, if I were you I would run the wt6. Tackle better. Pursue better. Defeat blocks better. Get off the ball better.

Wtf guys. What about scheme not being the issue? Sort of the mantra here on offense but on defense we say "ah screw it, lets put in a new defense this week'. You know, because wt6(being a perfectly legit, proven and respected defense) suddenly can't stop sweep. I call bs. I bet the kids aren't tackling, pursuing, defeating blocks well, or getting off the ball fast. Somehow a new scheme fixes that? Uuuuhhh..........no. It doesn't.

All of the above is true.  We've run WT6 all year and just haven't performed well.  If we were better coaches, we'd be better on defense, no doubt.  What I'm trying to do is to put our players who will tackle in the best possible positions to defend the sweep because the team we are playing is a sweep or die team.

I've put two of my best athletes at CB, 2 more at OLB playing flat on the LOS like in a 3-5 to spill/or bubble the sweep, and am blitzing my stack LB's off the edge every time to pressure the offensive execution and provide block destruction, inside out pursuit, or backside pursuit. 

The one flaw I've found so far in scrimmaging our organizations 8 year old's is while we've effectively killed the sweep, we re leaving a significant cutback lane because my MLB is playing side to side instead of filling that lane.  IF we can get him to fill that lane I feel really good about what this allows us to do defensively.  We basically have 5 or our best players committed to stopping the sweep each way.

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Re: Little Help
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2018, 03:38:33 PM »
We try to "spill" everyplay to the outside.

I have always tried to clog the center using my pawns then put my best defenders, Mike DE's, and corners, in position to trap the runner on the outside and either he cuts back (killed by mike) ran out of bounds (sideline is undefeated with tackles) or ties to cut it up (Corner and DE converge and most likely Mike as well, for a tackle).

So we use the spill and kill. Its not the best, its just what works for me as I can teach it
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2018, 05:49:34 PM »
We try to "spill" every play to the outside.

I have always tried to clog the center using my pawns then put my best defenders, Mike DE's, and corners, in position to trap the runner on the outside and either he cuts back (killed by mike) ran out of bounds (sideline is undefeated with tackles) or ties to cut it up (Corner and DE converge and most likely Mike as well, for a tackle).

So we use the spill and kill. Its not the best, its just what works for me as I can teach it

"Spill and Kill" is a 5 minute teach and can produce several losses.  It would drive me nuts to try and teach anything else.   :D
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2018, 07:30:14 PM »
"Spill and Kill" is a 5 minute teach and can produce several losses.  It would drive me nuts to try and teach anything else.   :D
I don't think I can teach anything else. Its easy and effective, and I have been coaching it too long
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2018, 12:15:33 AM »

Our problems are myriad, not being able to practice team defense is just one of them.  We've worked open field tackling every padded practice and we are still not very good at it.  I'm sure it's how we are/aren't coaching the kids.

The last two weeks we've been beaten off tackle but now come the sweep teams.  I have always loved the 3-5 and know how to coach it.  I think we'll be moving to it against the next two opponents.

What do your open field tackling drills look like?

Are you doing half line drills to practice defense, since you can't go full team?

Are you doing team pursuit drills to teach them which hip to aim for and how to get to the ball at an angle (hard to do with 7 year olds)?

Do you have a force player on the edge to stop the sweep?

Have you tried coaching them so they know how to pursue, with a force player setting the edge and an alley player finishing things off over the top?

I don't know the Killer Bee.  Never ran it.  I guess it's similar to a 4-3 Quarters or Cov. 2 defense, from what I've read on it.

I know the WT6, but not Cisar's version.  The DTs and Des should both be in pretty good position to stop the sweep, especially if you can teach the DEs how to contain, specially if you have your best athlete at FS to run the alley and clean up so teams can't score at will.

If you know the 3-5 and know how to teach it, go with that, but if you're already terrible at the WT6, I wouldn't expect to magically become better in a defense you install in a week that's entirely new to the kid.

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Re: Little Help
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2018, 01:43:35 PM »
I don't think I can teach anything else. Its easy and effective, and I have been coaching it too long

Only 2 losses the 5 years were to spill & kill defenses. They almost completely took away our inside run game, & we just didn’t have enough of a passing game to punish them.
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2018, 03:18:00 PM »
Only 2 losses the 5 years were to spill & kill defenses. They almost completely took away our inside run game, & we just didn’t have enough of a passing game to punish them.
Every defense has its weakness. Ours was the hook curl bubble area.
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Re: Little Help
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2018, 03:44:04 PM »
Every defense has its weakness. Ours was the hook curl bubble area.

Generally vs defense like yours, mine, dave’s, and the 2 teams that beat me, it’s defending the pass. Spill & kill is by nature aggressive. The quick passing game & halfback passes is how you beat it. But it’s rare you face a youth team w/ a QB that can really make you pay.

If I was facing my own defense, i’d probably throw 5 HB passes a game. lol
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