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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2018, 04:47:39 PM »
Please understand, what I do is coach QB's. What that means is often I can get a player to do things others can't.

The very first thing I look at is the player a leader. Yes I understand different offenses have different needs at QB, but regardless they must be a leader. Next I want to know how athletic they are & if they are mentaly tough. Hands & feet come next, they need to have quick feet & sure hands.  How they throw the ball is my last consideration. Why? It is my job to teach him how to throw the ball. Yes certain players will have a live arm, that doesn't mean they are a QB.
LT had the biggest arm I ever saw up close & personal. Does anyone think he would have been a QB?

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2018, 05:08:54 PM »
Hey you left out Pistol Pete, Shooter, & Rocket.

Pistol Pete was 1980 & 1981

Rocket was 1982

Shooter was 1991

The funny thing was they all had either the nick name or actual name before I got them.

Pistol Pete was the best lefty & friend you could imagine. He coached with me for 10 years, 1985-1995. He could coach QB's, he taught me a lot.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2018, 06:50:41 PM »
The very first thing I look at is the player a leader. Yes I understand different offenses have different needs at QB, but regardless they must be a leader.
Why do you need any player to be a leader?  That implies the other players must follow him.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2018, 07:15:15 PM »
Bob

In most offenses it is imperative the QB is a leader, precisely because other players will follow him. He has to call the cadence, usually relays the play call to the team and in most cases receives the snap.

This is a very valuable charateristic, it doesn't mean he is the only leader on the team. A QB who isn't a leader will  create doubt in the offense. I realize in your clinical mind this shouldn't matter, however confidence & the ability to lead honestly do make a huge difference. My biggest worry anytime I have a QB making his first varsity start is that he will "crap the bed", leaders never do that.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2018, 12:39:28 AM »
Please understand, what I do is coach QB's. What that means is often I can get a player to do things others can't.

--I get it.  I feel much the same way about Aggression Development.

How they throw the ball is my last consideration. Why? It is my job to teach him how to throw the ball.

--Exactly.  Which is why I'm rarely concerned about the talent I get, or worry about getting "what I'm looking for."  I'm going to teach it anyway, so it really doesn't matter what they bring to the table.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2018, 07:17:22 AM »
DP

This is often where coaches have trouble putting players into the correct positions. Not understanding or realizing what they need for each position & not knowing how to coach that position.

When we were an I team, everyone would comment "wow you guys get a great Tailback every year". Almost disregarding the work we put into that team & that player. Overlooked was an offensive line that fired off the ball & smashed people. Nowadays I hear how we get great QB's every year. They have no idea how much work goes into making a QB better.

First, it's important to put the right player in the right spot. Then you have to coach them.

I can coach technique and strengthen leadership qualities, but they have to be a leader first.

I can coach ball handling & foot work, I can't coach a KLUTZ.

I can enhance toughness & fortitude, I have issues with cowards.

I can coach how to throw the ball, I can't coach the unteachable.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2018, 09:19:14 AM »
In most offenses it is imperative the QB is a leader, precisely because other players will follow him. He has to call the cadence, usually relays the play call to the team and in most cases receives the snap.
But that's like stage managing.  It may even be akin to prop master, which would be a kid who drags dummies or balls out for practice.  It's not the director of the play, even if all the roles you wrote of are combined in one -- which they needn't be.  I don't even see the advantage of combining them into one, and in fact I think it promotes teamwork, or at least team-awareness, if you don't combine them into one.

For instance, say you're using wristbands to signal plays in, and you don't have them for all your players.  You could choose a player at any position to look up the play on the wristband, translating the code into the call for the team in the huddle.  If you instead shuttle plays in, then you should have the player who comes into the huddle announce the call.  When it comes to signal calling, no compelling reason to have that cadence spoken by the same player who's going to get the ball; if you have to time things to a man in motion, it's more of an advantage to have a player in the backfield who has a better view of that motion to time the snap.  If you have the ability to audible, that call should be made by whichever player has the best view of the relevant part of the defense.

Anything that promotes the idea that one player on the field is more important than the others is a bad thing IMO.  Plus you may be better able to placate parents if those roles are distributed.  "What are you complaining about?  Your child is [calling the play | calling signals | deciding the play | taking snaps]."  Also you're less vulnerable to loss of morale if one player goes down.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2018, 02:02:47 PM »
I look for a smart, unselfish kid who likes handing the ball off. Ideally the kid would also be the point guard on his basketball team.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2018, 04:40:25 PM »
Bob

I know as a scientist that for you it's all about metrics. Some things simply can't be measured. Coaching football is definetly part science, but it also part art. While it maybe easier to think your way, I know my way is a lot more successful.

My '09 Mint Hill team is a perfect example. In the Spring we saw a player who had all the measurables. Big arm, quick, fairly smart, great hands, & great feet. Worked hard bringing him along. In 10 minutes at the first scrimage I knew he could never be our QB. Instead I make a returning center the QB. Decent arm, smart, slow, but he was a leader & was mentally tough.

There are certain intangables that a successful QB has. He must lead & they will follow.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2018, 05:19:38 PM »
The importance of leadership: "Better a flock of sheep led by a lion, than a pride of lions led by a sheep."
Quote attributed to Alexander the Great.
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2018, 05:23:59 PM »
I know as a scientist that for you it's all about metrics. Some things simply can't be measured. Coaching football is definetly part science, but it also part art. While it maybe easier to think your way, I know my way is a lot more successful.

My '09 Mint Hill team is a perfect example. In the Spring we saw a player who had all the measurables. Big arm, quick, fairly smart, great hands, & great feet. Worked hard bringing him along. In 10 minutes at the first scrimage I knew he could never be our QB. Instead I make a returning center the QB. Decent arm, smart, slow, but he was a leader & was mentally tough.

There are certain intangibles that a successful QB has. He must lead & they will follow.
In retrospect, could you have seen these intangibles before that scrimmage?

If not, now that 9 yrs. have passed, do you recognize the presence or absence of these intangibles in other players you're evaluating pre-season?

If so, then that just means you've developed an intuitive sense of this quality that may not have been there in 2009.  Or maybe it was there but you hadn't learned to trust it.

If not, then it doesn't do any good to discuss it.  And even if you do, if it's intangible then there's no way to convey it to anyone else, which means it still doesn't do any good to discuss it, except insofar as one detail explained below.

I believe in intuition, I know there are certain things we can't put into words, let alone measure.  It means maybe we could measure it, but haven't learned how to yet -- & maybe never will learn how to.  It's as I say about "tells": Frequently they're like that, a pattern we recognize but can't put a finger on.  Eventually we may learn to break it down to its details & explain it to someone else -- or maybe not.  Like the way you can fake out a dog or cat only so long w a ball move before they catch on; they can never explain to you what they're sensing that gives away your move, but you know they know it.

So if it's intangibles that we can sense only w experience, then the question is how much of a factor the intangibles are.  If the intangibles are 90% of what determines success, then the advice should be to go w your gut, and even if your sense is only weakly developed, it'll contribute more than whatever you can measure.  If the intangibles are only 20%, then evaluate whatever you can, and give your gut only the slightest nod as a tie-breaking factor until you develop your intuition enough by experience to be better able to discriminate that way.

But if you do go w your gut, all you'll be able to tell parents who complain is that you've been doing this for X amount of time & learned to trust it because of experiences like the one MHCoach wrote of.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2018, 05:26:24 PM »
Leave kids on a field with a ball and no adult supervision. Someone will take charge, get things organized and get the game going. Good chance that kid is your QB.

In every social group from children through old men someone is going to have the most alpha personality. Doesn't mean that person is more important or that other players can't learn to be leaders as well. But it's reality and ignoring that would be naive and to the detriment of your team.

The other thing to remember in terms of morale, it's relative. When the seniors graduate, the juniors become more alpha. When your QB1 gets injured, the backup starts to develop that swagger.

It's a phenomenon I've seen play out many times and it makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Much like economics, when one supplier drops out, others step up to fill the demand void. So while Bob's Communist Coaching example was interesting, it's prob not the most efficient system.  ;D
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2018, 05:42:28 PM »
But if you do go w your gut, all you'll be able to tell parents who complain is that you've been doing this for X amount of time & learned to trust it because of experiences like the one MHCoach wrote of.

In my experience, doing the following three things eliminates virtually all parent complaints:

1) Communicate EVERYTHING up front. ALL of your policies re PT, positions, etc.
2) Be fair. Apply policies consistently (does no good to have an attendance policy if it doesn't apply to "Johnny Superstar") and treat ALL kids with respect.
3) Win. Sub heavily when you're up big. Start your MPPs against inferior opponents. This creates goodwill you'll need when PT gets tighter in the Playoffs / Championship. 
 
Doing this, we VERY rarely have parent complaints and in fact our MPP parents are often among our biggest advocates.
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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2018, 05:53:47 PM »
we VERY rarely have parent complaints and in fact our MPP parents are often among our biggest advocates.

When you know what you're doing, the are few, if any, complaints.  It amazes me the number of coaches who have parental issues....Or look at coaching football as if parental issues/complaints/conflicts are just part and parcel of coaching football.  They aren't.

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Re: What qualities do you look for when deciding on your qb?
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2018, 05:54:18 PM »
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There was no way to see the faults before he was under live fire. In practice he was a stud, under fire a dud. I have seen this before & I am sure I will see it again. Under live fire it became clearly evident, this doesn't mean he wasn't a player. He started at HBack, & DE; so he could play. he just couldn't be the QB. He wanted to be the QB, but once he was under live fire he lost all confidence in himself. He became a shrinking violet. At HBack he blocked like a truck.

Looking back, I only know that the moment I recognized the fault, I pulled the trigger & went with another player at QB. It just isn't something that you coach away or the player can work through. He played QB on his middle school team that year & had the same issues. Tried to be the QB on the JV team his freshman, until they moved him to HBack. I think he started 4 games before they pulled him.

Now, he was a great kid then & is a fine man now. I genuinely liked him. He worked hard, practiced hard & was coachable. Just  not a QB.

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