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Offline Spyder89

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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2019, 02:50:46 PM »
Yeah, but you know that parents and kids look at that like "You didn't play this position?  Then you don't know anything about it!" as well as the inverse: "You were a DB in college!  You must know everything about playing DB!"

The single worst coach I've ever worked with was a college LB, who thought he knew everything about football because he played 3 years of NAIA ball and then worked as an assistant there (basically painting the field and spotting guys in the weight room) for a year after he quit due to injury.  Dude literally told me he didn't go to clinics because he knew everything already.  He was a DC who never held a team under 50 ppg in his 1 and only year of coaching, but was appointed to HC his 2nd year because of his playing experience.

The single worst OL coach I've ever worked with played G at a small college in the late 70s.  He said that technique didn't matter and his idea of a pass protection scheme was "just pass block somebody!"  He also thought every single offensive player on a varsity HS OL only needed to know the same blocking rule for every single run play.  The worst QB coach I've ever worked with was an alum of that school who'd played QB there in the early 90s on some good teams, so everyone assumed he must know everything about playing QB, but he literally just took the team's best athlete and told him who to hand the ball to or who to throw to and that was about it.

This is to what I was getting at with the initial post.  Not all former players are terrible coaches but I chuckled at the PREFERENCE for that aspect.  Playing background shouldn't be an aspect to a coaching resume. That's like someone who used to buy doughnuts from a certain retailer being preferred to run that shop over the individual with tons of experience in actually running a doughnut shop.

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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2019, 03:01:34 PM »
Playing background shouldn't be an aspect to a coaching resume.

Perhaps not.  But neither should coaching applicants, who say they "know the game" when they've never "taught the game."

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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2019, 03:08:04 PM »
Perhaps not.  But neither should coaching applicants, who say they "know the game" when they've never "taught the game."

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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 04:01:12 PM »
I interviewed 3 coaches who played college ball over a 10 year span.

One was never given the opportunity to coach as he told me during the interview when I asked if he could do "x" he kept saying to whatever I asked, "Well this is how we did it in college"
He knew football but when I asked him if he understood the difference between andragogy and pedagogy he couldn't tell me. It didn't seem like he was willing to learn.

He for some reason thought college experience gave him some sort of insight into youth football.

The other 2 I didn't find out they played college till 3rd week of practice.
They figured they knew football but not coaching kids so they left it up to me.

Best coaches I coached with.

But I guess that's why we interview.
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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 04:33:14 PM »
I'm not doing the hiring

I'm just stating that they look less for wins and losses on the field

The NFL player I referenced who was a dumpster fire of a hire got that job, literally, because the director of schools wanted the publicity of hiring a beloved local hero who'd played for the Cowboys and thought he would be an asset to her politically.

Turned out she got a lot of publicity and politics, all right...  She fired him and was ran out of town a few months later herself due to the fallout.  It was a giant cluster on all sides.

Not to say that all NFL players fail.  I know some are great coaches.  I'm just saying that being born with the genetics to run 4.4 and play at a high level has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to teach, manage, or relate to kids, much less run the whole program.  You wouldn't hire somebody with no experience in education to run a school simply because he or she has a degree from Harvard, yet we do the same thing with football all the time.
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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 05:54:53 PM »
I'm just saying that being born with the genetics to run 4.4 and play at a high level has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to teach, manage, or relate to kids, much less run the whole program. 

Oh I get what you're saying. I think my post was mainly response to Dimson

On your same note. I wouldn't hire Michael Jordan to coach a basketball team. He is not a very good coach, we've seen it.

Players that weren't that good and had to work on their craft to get better and playing time, are the coaches I want. Its the explaining of the craft, how to use their leverage, is what I would be looking for a coach.

I get both sides of the argument. Interviews are what's needed
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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 12:43:04 PM »
This is an interesting topic...

My son, assuming the NFL doesn't work out, wants to be an OLine coach...and when he coached for me...he was a terrific Oline coach, although he is a college defensive tackle. and that is why I think he is so good at coaching Oline, is he knows what they do to frustrate him...he has a handful of HS varsity snaps at Tackle, he was an emergency back up, and one game the emergency came, so he went out there and man-handled the DE...but at 6' and 240 at the time, they felt they had better options at OT, and they wanted him fresh for defense...

His redshirt year at Commerce, they would grab him all the time for scout team oline, because he would give the starting dline a "good look"...so I don't think you have to play a particular position to coach a particular position, you just have to understand the position and be able to teach it...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Seen this on a Job Opening Board
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 02:18:42 PM »
Just to help refute the idea that "you have to play a position well to coach it."

The West Coast Offense was probably the most "QB friendly" offense of all time.  It revolutionized the game by turning passing the football into an exact science.  The WCO was crafted and developed by Bill Walsh, who played TE and DE growing up, and LaVell Edwards at BYU (who developed Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, and a bunch of others), who played OL.  Norm Chow, Edwards' longtime QB Coach and OC who worked with those QBs, was also an OL in his playing days.

If you get into the WCO offshoot, the Air Raid, Mike Leach did technically play QB in HS... as a career backup who never actually started a single game and only attempted a handful of passes at the varsity level.  Hal Mumme, the founder of the offense whose QBs set nearly every passing record, was a WR.  Tony Franklin, who did more to popularize that offense and teach HS coaches nationwide how to develop QBs, was a RB.

Joe Pendry, one of the great OL coaches of all time, was a WR in college.  Fellow OL guru Alex Gibbs was a DB.

Rich Rodriguez, who basically invented the modern zone spread offense that's become ubiquitous, was a DB in college.  Urban Meyer, the most successful spread guru of the last 20 years, was also a DB at Cincinnati.

It is absolutely irrelevant if you know your stuff.
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