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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2019, 11:31:29 AM »
BLASPHEMY!

Vs mediocre/bad teams, sure, wedge is fine. If you want to win championships, you better be good at trap. The one play that has consistantly worked for us vs great teams is trap. The next most consistent play is Buck Sweep, & if you’re running Buck w/o Trap, I think youmre really short changing yourself.

I’ve never had a season where trap wasn’t our most consistent big play vs good teams. Never. After years of coaching the 13U’s, I moved down to 9U & invested in trap (despite many believe you shouldn’t at this age). We used tackle trap instead of guard trap, & it was literally the play that won us our D1 title. Our 2 toughest opponents who we beat by a colbined 4 poiints, just got gouged by trap. Including our go ahead 50 yard score w/ a 1:30 left in the title game.

I told my coaching staff all the time. When you’re in the hunt for titles, most of the time you spend preparing & perfecting stuff is for one or two teams. Trap is a 1 or 2 teams play. But ESSENTIAL to beating those 1 or 2 teams.

If you’re not gouging teams for 20-30-40-60 yard plays w/ trap, it’s likely cuz you’re coaching it wrong, and/or you don’t have enough variations of it.

Of course! If you are running Buck, you have to gave trap. They're married!
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2019, 11:34:28 AM »
If you can coach Trap in youth ball, you will gash people because of how the DL tend to just fly upfield.  There's a lot of details to coaching that play that many coaches don't get at first, though.

I'm glad you pointed out the variations.  The best thing about the Trap with older kids is all the adjustments you can run off it.  You can run it to different players (Jet Sweep with a complimentary QB Trap is SWEET!) or off different backfield actions (Buck Trap, Jet Trap, Rocket Trap, Spin Trap, etc.) or you can simply run different tags off it:

Short G Trap
Long G Trap
Tackle Trap
Fold (base block the DT, trap the MLB)
Influence Trap
Base Trap (not really a "trap," per se, but it's an adjustment you can pull out to the trap action and path)

And, if you're feeling adventurous (or are a glutton for your own punishment as a coach)... Draw Trap and the Trap Option series.   ;)

It's not necessarily too much to teach both, since Wedge is the easiest play to install next to the kneel down.


In youth football defensive linemen are taught to penetrate, so trap really takes advantage of that. Wedge does as well, they run right upfield past the wedge. Even though they are blocked differently I think they accomplish the same thing.  However, I think you can run wedge regardless of front, whereas sometimes trapping can be tough against certain fronts.
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2019, 11:38:18 AM »
I’d be willing to have my mind changed if someone posted video of 50 yard wedges in a championship game. In my experience, every wedge highlight film i’ve seen has been against teams that aren’t cutting or well coached.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good play. We run it. But it’s nothing compared to the trap game.

https://youtu.be/ayDwV6oGoOk    This is from our championships game in 2016.  In 2018 we ran wedge 3 times in our regional championship game for 60 yards, 6 yards, and 23 yards. I will get those videos up on YouTube this week.  Don't get me wrong, I love trap and have had success with it. I think you should have both in the playbook.
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2019, 11:50:00 AM »
https://youtu.be/ayDwV6oGoOk    This is from our championships game in 2016.  In 2018 we ran wedge 3 times in our regional championship game for 60 yards, 6 yards, and 23 yards. I will get those videos up on YouTube this week.  Don't get me wrong, I love trap and have had success with it. I think you should have both in the playbook.

That’s awesome! But yeesh, wth was that defense doing? lol. Everyone standing up when you have wedge in your playbook? They must not have scouted very well.

We have both. But 1 thing that’s always concerned me is that if we lean on wedge too much, a good coach is going to start cutting every play. And I don’t want cutters when we’re trying to run trap. I want movement up front on trap, not guys laying on the ground.

Anytime I see teams running wedge & no one cutting on D, I just assume we’re dealing w/ inferior coaching.
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2019, 01:52:43 PM »
That’s awesome! But yeesh, wth was that defense doing? lol. Everyone standing up when you have wedge in your playbook? They must not have scouted very well.

We have both. But 1 thing that’s always concerned me is that if we lean on wedge too much, a good coach is going to start cutting every play. And I don’t want cutters when we’re trying to run trap. I want movement up front on trap, not guys laying on the ground.

Anytime I see teams running wedge & no one cutting on D, I just assume we’re dealing w/ inferior coaching.
We were never a big wedge team. We ran it and ran it pretty well but only a few times a game and some games we didn't run it at all. We specialized in power and counter but some teams were so afraid of wedge they would do all kinds of weird things to stop it. I remember having a conversation with a coach from a rival team saying all you had to do to stop our offense was stop wedge. I agread with him just because I wasn't going to try and enlighten him on how to stop us. Anyway, this particular org always had either a ng or 1/2 techs bear crawling or double A gap blitz which never worked in their favor. Which is fine because we weren't running wedge anyway. But they would still be trying to stop wedge even though we would run power almost every play. The double A blitz just made power that much better.  We would often just have the line stop pulling because these guys would walk up their entire second level. Power works great against that. Just kick the first guy that shows and it is off to the races. Obviously this was against teams that were not very well coached. The good teams were going to scout us and not worry about wedge. Those teams we could run wedge on. Not that we did, we ran power anyway because we could.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2019, 01:58:44 PM »
https://youtu.be/ayDwV6oGoOk    This is from our championships game in 2016.

First 2 Wedges should have been penalized.  Right Tackle took his hand off the ground and reset.  Then the Wide-Out wasn't set for one second before the ball was snapped.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2019, 02:17:43 PM »
We were never a big wedge team. We ran it and ran it pretty well but only a few times a game and some games we didn't run it at all. We specialized in power and counter but some teams were so afraid of wedge they would do all kinds of weird things to stop it. I remember having a conversation with a coach from a rival team saying all you had to do to stop our offense was stop wedge. I agread with him just because I wasn't going to try and enlighten him on how to stop us. Anyway, this particular org always had either a ng or 1/2 techs bear crawling or double A gap blitz which never worked in their favor. Which is fine because we weren't running wedge anyway. But they would still be trying to stop wedge even though we would run power almost every play. The double A blitz just made power that much better.  We would often just have the line stop pulling because these guys would walk up their entire second level. Power works great against that. Just kick the first guy that shows and it is off to the races. Obviously this was against teams that were not very well coached. The good teams were going to scout us and not worry about wedge. Those teams we could run wedge on. Not that we did, we ran power anyway because we could.

For sure! Power is the great equalizer to cutting wedge. But if you don’t cut wedge, you really can’t stop it at the youth level. Thus the existence & dominance of the DTDW & SW.
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2019, 03:52:44 PM »
For sure! Power is the great equalizer to cutting wedge. But if you don’t cut wedge, you really can’t stop it at the youth level. Thus the existence & dominance of the DTDW & SW.
It just always amused me teams were so intent on stopping our wedge when we had almost no intent to run it.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2019, 04:44:07 PM »
It just always amused me teams were so intent on stopping our wedge when we had almost no intent to run it.

I think maybe cuz it’s so demoralizing?
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2019, 04:59:55 PM »
For us, wedge is most effective in certain situations. We always have wedge, but we don't live in it.

Situations we like: 1st and 10... 3rd and long (meaning 7-10)... situations that normally the defense isn't looking for wedge.

Stuff we do to increase the shock/surprise factor: Wedge on silent count, wedge on first sound, wedge on run action that looks like power or iso, and criss cross or reverse action. We also run PA pop pass off of wedge action, and occasionally keep off of wedge action.

There's a lot you can do to mitigate the A gappers, line cutters.

Like I said, we use it quite a bit. But we don't live in it and run it in obvious situations.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2019, 07:23:27 PM »
Like I said, we use it quite a bit. But we don't live in it and run it in obvious situations.

That's us, too.  It's our best play, but probably because we use it (and Counter) so infrequently.  We rarely have opponents sell out trying to stop it because it's not a primary play for us, which makes it all the more effective when we do run it.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2019, 09:05:44 PM »
That's us, too.  It's our best play, but probably because we use it (and Counter) so infrequently.  We rarely have opponents sell out trying to stop it because it's not a primary play for us, which makes it all the more effective when we do run it.

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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2019, 03:24:37 PM »
But 1 thing that’s always concerned me is that if we lean on wedge too much, a good coach is going to start cutting every play. And I don’t want cutters when we’re trying to run trap. I want movement up front on trap, not guys laying on the ground.
Of course, but...why is that a problem?  I mean, it's a problem if the player you go to trap isn't trying to penetrate, but this is why you don't tell the other team your play call.

If you can induce the defense to stop trying to penetrate in the middle, you've accomplished about what you can w either wedge or trap.  Then you've opened things up for a straight buck (dive) & slowed down the pass rush.  You can also pull OL for sweep w/o fear of their beating the runner out of the backfield.

Not only that, but if the player you're trying to trap is cutting the one who'd be the apex of your wedge, you should still have an opening there for the runner.  If player who's cutting is doing so by crabbing across the C, & your C isn't taking 2 adjustment steps forward meanwhile, but instead is covering back side, that cut block may not even connect.  Now your puller just wraps thru the hole.
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Re: Wedge or Trap?
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2019, 03:39:59 PM »
I think maybe cuz it’s so demoralizing?
Believe me, power was the demoralizing play for us.