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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 12:49:01 PM »
How in the hell do you encroach when you line up 4 yards off the ball?

If you use what John Koester refers to as my "mind#@%" drill, that doesn't happen.  Or it happens much less.

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 12:53:39 PM »
1 guy trying to execute a perfect form tackle might be a 50/50 proposition depending on the situation, talent/size/strength of the ball carrier, and available space. 3 guys executing a crappy tackle on the same guy rises to 90%. So I spend less time harping how to tackle and more time on how to get to the ball with bad intentions.

Has little to do with teaching a "perfect form tackle," and more to do with teaching a tackling approach to little guys where they can be successful, too.  Let's face it, USA Football says there's only one way to teach tackling (even though they've changed how they taught it over the years).  Anyone who's coached this game successfully over a decade or more, knows that simply not true.  KOTS is just a way for smaller players to enjoy the same success (if not more) than their bigger teammates.

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 12:56:53 PM »
I was concerned going into the season that giant RBs would be common place. That hasn't materialized.

Make sure those with Striper Rules know that.  They certainly fear the unknown.

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 01:11:42 PM »
Make sure those with Striper Rules know that.  They certainly fear the unknown.

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Sigh.

None of us are as stupid as all of us. First hand experience will always be out-gunned by group think. My 98lb DT won the defensive Crunch Bar for his many TFLs on a RB who is bigger than me. An under-sized team (us) beat a giant team featuring a XXXL running back 62-0 while doing our level headed BEST to keep the score down.

Yet . . . patch/striper rules prevail.
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2019, 02:58:31 PM »
Okay, this is interesting...I won't be able to tinker with this approach because we USA Football Rookie Tackle, and I have to mirror the offense in my defensive alignment, i.e. if they have 5 aligned as an oline, I have to have 4 in front of them...if they split one out, I can only have 3 in front of them, if they split 2 out, I can only have 2 in front of them...

That said...we did play an amoeba team when I first started running DW...we destroyed them with Wedge until they came out of it...then we went to power and counter to keep them honest...we did score on an 80 yard wedge while they were still in their amoeba...it was the first an only time I played against a team that did that...

I do like the concept of stunting into gaps...I have run JJ's and Jack's defenses both with pretty good success, and the main reason I believe was because we confused the blockers...

Last season with my 11/12's we played one team who came at us with a 33 stack...we initially had problems running the football against it, so we decided to throw...and they could not beat the pass pro, so they started hanging back so we were able to run...

Anyway, I am rambling as usual...another tool in my chest :) thanks Lar....
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2019, 03:54:33 PM »

..we destroyed them with Wedge until they came out of it...then we went to power and counter to keep them honest...we did score on an 80 yard wedge while they were still in their amoeba...it was the first an only time I played against a team that did that...
Haven't seen a decent wedge team . . . but . . .
Week 1 was a jumbo sized o-line running a VERY good Beast. They would shift into a balanced line with the 2 sniffers in each A gap and hammer the ball up the middle. I started cutting their C and they stopped doing that.

Another giant team tried to run the DW. No pulling, BB at 5 yards, QB doesn't lead block, blah blah blah. They ran a QB wedge and was really their only positive yardage, but once the defense figured it out, we'd stop them for 3 yards at most and they stopped running it. Wedge wasn't very good, though. Just big.

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Last season with my 11/12's we played one team who came at us with a 33 stack...we initially had problems running the football against it, so we decided to throw...and they could not beat the pass pro, so they started hanging back so we were able to run...

Anyway, I am rambling as usual...another tool in my chest :) thanks Lar....

Every offense we've faced (even Mahonz') thinks they can "steal" 4 yards because we are off the ball. What happens is that we end up exposing offensive linemen who haven't been trained to and/or haven't practiced climbing. We tend to get held a LOT.

What we do to QBs should be illegal. Typically, teams start throwing nothing but go/fade routes in the 2nd half. Most are brutal sacks. I think teams have completed 5 of these "long balls" in 7 games, one for a TD. I have one kid sitting on 8 interceptions. I haven't counted, but we probably get 5-6 sacks per game and in total, our opponents might be 10 for 50+ passing the ball?

Our talent level is tremendous, though. It could be that this defense only works with superior talent. As I've stated, we do NOT have a force player or a contain player. I was worried that we'd be vulnerable to power teams who can run off tackle. Nope. I was worried that we'd be vulnerable to jet/crack sweep. Nope. Our biggest vulnerability seems to be teams who can go on 2. 
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2019, 04:13:04 PM »
What we do to QBs should be illegal. Typically, teams start throwing nothing but go/fade routes in the 2nd half. Most are brutal sacks.

Yes, I remember getting complaints from the Spread teams when we weren't spreading our defense and we were just taking their QBs apart. 

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2019, 06:52:52 PM »
Yes, I remember getting complaints from the Spread teams when we weren't spreading our defense and we were just taking their QBs apart. 

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Complaints? As in, "It's not fair that you won't let our QB throw the ball?"
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2019, 06:58:56 PM »
On one of our picks against the young lady a few weeks ago, I saw her writhing on the ground and our biggest player was the closest player to her. At first, I thought, "Aw shit. Did we hit her late?" Watched the play on film. Our guy was just close enough to brush her jersey with his finger tips after she threw the ball. As soon as our DB went up and caught it, she hit the dirt. It looked like a sniper got her. Our D-lineman just barely touched her jersey.

I had real mixed feelings about our guys playing against her. On the one hand, we have a girl on our 2nd grade team and she's awesome. On the other, we saw the teenage girl get nearly decapitated by a vicious hit on film. As a father of a young lady, I had a real problem with that hit. I couldn't shake the feeling that this shouldn't have been allowed to happen, that some adult or adults dropped the ball. It was a really violent hit as she double clutched the ball.

Luckily for me, I don't think we ever hit her, so I didn't have to feel bad for her.
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2019, 08:27:17 PM »
Complaints? As in, "It's not fair that you won't let our QB throw the ball?"

Yes, as in "Why are you pressuring our QB?"  To which I'd respond, "Why is he back there on an island?"

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2019, 08:28:33 PM »
I had real mixed feelings about our guys playing against her. On the one hand, we have a girl on our 2nd grade team and she's awesome. On the other, we saw the teenage girl get nearly decapitated by a vicious hit on film. As a father of a young lady, I had a real problem with that hit. I couldn't shake the feeling that this shouldn't have been allowed to happen, that some adult or adults dropped the ball. It was a really violent hit as she double clutched the ball.

If you choose to play the game, you choose to get subjected to the game.  Shouldn't be different rules for different players.

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2019, 12:34:41 AM »
If you choose to play the game, you choose to get subjected to the game.  Shouldn't be different rules for different players.

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That's what logic tells me, but I had a visceral reaction to the clip where her body went 3 feet sideways while her head stayed in the same place. I get that she wants to play football. I support that. But to put her at QB? To put the least athletic, smallest, weakest, least physical player on your team in the QB position and have them drop back? You can guess what that team's pass pro looks like.
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2019, 09:13:53 AM »
Well, I was going to talk about how we protected against blitzers and stackers...but really doesn't add much to the conversation...so, yeah... :P
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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2019, 10:25:27 AM »
Really interested in this defense. Do you have any drills you use for this defense specifically or even a playbook?

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Re: Amoeba 33
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2019, 12:33:25 PM »
Well, I was going to talk about how we protected against blitzers and stackers...but really doesn't add much to the conversation...so, yeah... :P

If I'm being completely honest, the offensive lines we've faced have some work to do if they want to progress to "shitty". Our o-line is "meh". Well below our standards, but far and away the best in our Spring league. The big takeaways:
1) most, if not all of my theories seem to hold water
2) I understand a new (to me) way to play defense.
3) sometimes the best coaching move is to stay the hell out of your players' way
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