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Offline rexs5413

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UBSW
« on: March 20, 2019, 03:03:14 PM »
Hey guys, I am running the Cisar UBSW for 10u unweighted spring ball and I have a question. We live in a little small in northern Arizona and our club has had lots of success in the Northern Arizona Youth Football League when we are playing against teams with similar Talent levels. Part of what makes us better then our competition is the fact that we go down to Phoenix during the Spring to play much better competition. All the teams that we will play this spring are select teams with tons of talent. And while I will have a team of 9 and 10 year olds on my 10U team, the competition down there will almost always have a 10U team full of 11 year olds that met the league age cutoff to play on the 10U team. In other words they will have an older than 10U team. That's not to say we haven't had some success down there, but we are usually on the short side for size and speed. We have the blocking down for all of the first 10 plays in the system. I have very smart tough mountain kids that will not shy away from competition and they have really taken a liking to the unbalanced single wing and I'm hoping that it will give us a little more success down there against the more talented teams. Any advice you guys could give me would be awesome. Now back to my question, when running 16 power or 18 sweep and 18 sweet pass I am very concerned about leaving the backside defensive end unblocked. As I stated above the speed on the other team lends me to believe that they will be able to run my running backs down from behind as they are being patient waiting for the blocks to develop. Should I tell my left end 2 forget the god block and hook block the defensive end? Thanks for any advice you can give me. Our first game is on Saturday against the Arizona Tide, a team that has gone 30 and 0 in the last 3 Seasons in 10U. Going to be a real challenge. We also adopted the 62 wide tackle in the fall and it was very successful for us. Going to be interesting to see how we do with it against the Phoenix teams that throw the ball a little more. Thanks for your time and help.

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Re: UBSW
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2019, 07:21:51 PM »
Coach,

I've been running the system for several years from 1st and 2nd graders all the way up to 7th and 8th graders in what I would consider fairly athletic leagues.  The only time we have had issues with the backside DE running down the plays are when the DE is jumping the snap count or the #1 is simply not getting to the hole quick enough.  The first you can fix with no play and the other with chaser drills.  Also depending on the defenses alignment the LE will block the backside DE (GOO Rule) if no one is in his gap or on him on 18 Sweep Pass.  I hope that helps.
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Re: UBSW
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2019, 10:35:14 AM »
We have played some teams who put players on the back side who are way faster than anyone I had.  Even if we get through the line with a lane to run through, those speedsters have run my guys down from behind at 5-10 yards when we could have had a much bigger gain. 

I have used a GOO (fan blocking) rule for the left end like Rob explained.  I don't think GOD is needed on the back side if you are only pulling the strong side guard. 

Another ideal I like for power/sweep plays, where you only pull the RG, is to have the LE drag across behind the D-Line looking for the last Safety or LB (Pizza/TD Block) and have the LG Hinge block to slow back side pursuit.

Bottom Line is if backside pursuit is getting you and your TB can't get out of the backfield any faster, you need an adjustment to fix the problem.  Having that LE block back is the quickest easiest fix as long as you are not getting penetration inside of him.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2019, 10:36:52 AM by 32wedge »

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Re: UBSW
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2019, 01:29:20 PM »
If he's chasing it down like others have said he's jumping the snap count, or your back just isn't hitting the hole like he should.  If he's just an athlete chasing it down, use the WRONG call.   This sends your sniffer back the wrong way and he cleans the DE's clock who will never see the block coming. 

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Re: UBSW
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2019, 07:20:24 PM »
Do you have a 23/25 counter?  I don't believe this is in Dave Cisar's toolkit, but I always thought it the best way to handle situations like this if you tag 16, 18, etc. with that as a fake.  Not only does the DL coming off the short edge get a surprise, but it ties up a LB too as he tries to tackle the 2 back.

I didn't get a chance to install this, but it's pretty much standard issue in classic single wing systems, where you can often find it numbered differently under their different back & hole numbering schemes (such as Caldwell's).

However, Dave Cisar's system has been thru a lot of experience, so he must've had some reason for not using such a play.  I don't remember whether we had a discussion here about that.  Apparently he does have a "block back" tag for the 2 back that he rarely uses, but not with 2-back weak side runs to sell it.  Seems to be just for the shock value.

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Re: UBSW
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2019, 12:03:22 PM »
Even teams playing in the AAU National Title games against really good competition and Pop Warner National Championship games- No one got run down from behind

Run chaser drills from the book
Run your no plays for kids jumping the count

We go split with only the LG on the left side and dont get run down

Dan Schlager ran that play 7 times in the Midget Title game against Far West Jets- on 55 game win streak
Never got caught from behind

You dont wait on your blocks to develop
You teach the blocking correctly and aggressively and the back hits the hole AS it is developing at full tilt
DONT waste a blocker on someone thats not going to make the play from backside

We run chasers in group and fit and freeze team
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.

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