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Update From TAMUC
« on: May 14, 2019, 11:34:47 AM »
And this is the last one...

So as I have shared, my son signed with Texas A&M University in Commerce to play football...going in, I had told him his coaches were going to be leaving him before he finished there...so make sure this is where you want to go...he said yes, he loved the coaches and he loved the idea of playing for a national champion...they won the big shiny trophy in 2017, he signed in 2018, and went to the optional work outs over the summer, went to camp, got redshirted, but still had a good "season"...he played scout team everything...Dline, Oline, H back, FB, TE...heck, he even worked out with the specialists...at one point in the season, they were thin on the DLine, so the coaches told him if they had another injury, they were likely going to pull his redshirt...thankfully, no injuries...they made it to the regional championship game, and lost, season over...

About a month later, the head coach took a job at a D1 FCS school...and took most of his staff with him...including my son's position coach...he was devastated at first...but I was able to convince him to stick it out and see who they hired and how spring ball went...New Guy comes in..."This is not a rebuilding project, I inherited a Championship Program, not going to change the culture, you are going to teach me your culture".

Hires his staff, they start off season work, my son makes it to all the meetings, all the workouts, learns the new defense...spring ball starts...and things go badly straight off the bat...his new position coach is screaming at him during the minimal reps he is getting in practice...calling him names, etc...I tell him to tough it out...first scrimmage, he gets about 5 snaps, he gets a tackle and a QB hurry...and the screaming and minimal reps continue...next scrimmage, no reps...he asks his position coach about it...he says the DC told him he couldn't play him...still minimal reps, a little less screaming an name calling...spring game...he is the only player who got no reps...he went to meet with the DC, and asked him about it...DC seemed surprised that he got no reps...DC thanked him for talking to him about it, instead of talking about it...and said he would talk to his coach...3 more practices after the spring game, he gets reps, coach is coaching him instead of screaming...he thinks there is hope.

Exit Interview from Spring Ball with his position coach..."I like you, you are a good kid, a pretty good football player, but you are too small, you are never going to play here"...Ryan is stunned...he offers to cut some weight and move to another position..."Coach reiterates, you are never going to play here. You can stay if you want, I can't stop you from doing that, but you are never going to play"...

He has his exit interview with the head coach a few days later...coach asks him to rate things, strength program, his position coach, the head coach...Ryan was straight forward, gave the strength program a B, because the schedule was all over the place, gave his position coach a C because he didn't communicate well...gave the head coach an "incomplete", as they had not interacted enough for him to form an opinion. Coach seemed pleased with that answer, nodded his head and said "fair enough"...the meeting was wrapping up...so Ryan thought he would talk with coach about his other exit interview...he asked for permission to contact so he could see what his options were...coach told him he would set it up with compliance...

The next business day, he received an email from compliance telling him he had been released from the team, and was being put into the NCAA transfer portal...another email from compliance saying they were pulling his entire scholarship for the second semester, he received another email from the academic advisors for the student athletes telling him all of his tutoring was canceled...two weeks before the semester ended...he got them to change their mind about the scholarship, but could not get his tutoring back...the next morning his phone blew up...schools interested in him coming to school and playing football...he was contacted by D1 FCS schools, D@ and D3 schools...

Semester ended Friday...he believes he managed to pass everything even though they pulled his tutors two weeks before finals...grades come out today, so we will know then...but he has Official Visits with two of the schools who contacted him this week...he gets the impression that one of them is going to offer him while he is there...they have been recruiting him hard...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 11:45:50 AM »
Damn. The college football world is brutal. Whoever mentions "free" education is clueless. Glad to hear he'll likely land on his feet and hit the ground running. Keep us updated.
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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 12:19:01 PM »
Damn. The college football world is brutal. Whoever mentions "free" education is clueless. Glad to hear he'll likely land on his feet and hit the ground running. Keep us updated.

It really is AFU...assuming he did what he needed to do in the classroom, he is going to play again...the one school he is seeing on Friday has told him he will be able to come in a compete for a starting job right away...he liked to hear that, his old position coach called (the one who went to the FCS school) on his behalf and said basically if you don't grab this kid your are stupid...he is a baller...

One of the schools that contacted him early on offered him, he went to set up the official visit, and the next day, they said "never mind" we got the JUCO transfer we were after, we don't need you anymore...as an aside, same conference as the school he is going to see on Friday...I chatted with him about that, told him if he signs he can spend the next 4 years showing them their mistake :)

One of the D3 schools that was recruiting him did pretty much the same thing, they got a JUCO transfer and called him and told him "we decided that you won't be a good fit here"...

Like I said, grades come out today...if he did what he was supposed to do...his phone is going to blow up again...because there will be players who did not...so they won't be eligible this fall....

Mom is pissed, she wanted to go yell at his coaches after the spring game...I told her "No, he is done here, whatever you say will not matter". She did bring up an interesting point...if the kids can't leave when their coaches leave, the new coach should be stuck with what was recruited by the old staff :p
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 01:01:30 PM »
And college fans gripe about loyalty from the players when they transfer, but accept a coaching change when a coach chooses to leave.  Yet he's the only one who has signed a paid contract.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 01:02:53 PM »
his new position coach is screaming at him during the minimal reps he is getting in practice...calling him names, etc.

Always interesting to find that youth coaches have made it to the collegiate level....

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2019, 01:53:00 PM »
Good luck to your son on finding a new school.  I hate that he's had to go through this mess.

Based on everything you've said here, I wouldn't trust the coaches about a reference or doing anything to help him land on his feet.  As it's described, every one of them comes off like a dishonest jackass and he'll be better off just getting away from them.  The college and HS ranks are full of transactional coaches who view players like pieces of meat to build their own careers on.  It seems like this new staff is in that mold, unfortunately.

D3 schools want your tuition money, not your talent.  If his grades are good and he can play at all, they'll be all over him, but he won't get a football scholarship, obviously.  Paying for those schools can be an issue, especially since scholarships for transfer students are usually limited.

Right now, I know that football is important to him, but he should probably focus on finding a school he likes and wants to attend as a student before worrying about football.  If they have a football team or if he gets recruited as a scholarship player elsewhere, then great, but his education will wind up being more important in the long run and transferring is always dicey.
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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2019, 02:06:24 PM »
Always interesting to find that youth coaches have made it to the collegiate level....

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Hi Dave :)

So I was up to one of the practices and witnessed this, it wasn't just my son he was doing this with...one of the DE's got utterly destroyed in a one on one pass rush, when I saw how the tackle bent him over I was wondering if the kid was hurt...coach starts shouting at him, the kid who knows he got destroyed and he seems to be hurting jaws back, coach says "Shut the F@ck up...you haven't done anything yet, just shut the F@ck up"...I was stunned...I know they are not all choir boys, but at any level I had never seen that before...after that practice went to lunch with my son...we talked...I said, "Coach played in the NFL, he obviously has something he can teach you, don't get lost in the delivery, try and see the message"...he said "I don't know if I can with this guy"...
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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2019, 03:57:54 PM »
I said, "Coach played in the NFL, he obviously has something he can teach you, don't get lost in the delivery, try and see the message"...he said "I don't know if I can with this guy"

And I completely understand your son's point, because it has NOTHING to do with a player being "soft," or a "lack of motivation" or a "lack of talent."  This has to do with successfully teaching success.  And his coach has no idea how to do that.  Look at the most successful companies in the world and see what they do to create success.   

Guys who think that mimicking some TV drill sergeant makes them a good coach have NO IDEA what they're doing because they're basing their coaching on an extinct approach when coaches could get away with that sort of thing. 

There's behaviors that people could get away with 50 years ago because we didn't know then, what we know now.  And to still act as if you don't have access to that information is inexcusable.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2019, 04:11:27 PM »
Guys who think that mimicking some TV drill sergeant makes them a good coach have NO IDEA what they're doing because they're basing their coaching on an extinct approach when coaches could get away with that sort of thing. 


Our next opponent (already played them once) was the game before us on Saturday. Their game was going on while we were warming up. On one play, their opponent's 260lb monster absolutely wrecked their QB. While one coach was rendering first aid, or whatever, another coach took the opportunity to publicly eviscerate the o-line. I could tell by the volume that the speech was intended for the crowd and any bystanders as much as it was for his o-line. Loud and clear, "IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT THE QB IS HURT!" My o-line was slack jawed listening to that tirade. I made a smart-assed comment about yelling at them if they didn't perform. They just laughed at me.

BTW, I've watched about 4 games worth of their film. Their o-line sucks, but it's not for lack of trying.
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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2019, 04:21:11 PM »
his new position coach is screaming at him during the minimal reps he is getting in practice...calling him names, etc

If it's who I think it is, y'know that joker has only 3 years of coaching experience TOTAL.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2019, 04:46:49 PM »
Wow! Just Wow !
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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2019, 04:56:16 PM »
If it's who I think it is, y'know that joker has only 3 years of coaching experience TOTAL.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2019, 12:40:34 AM »
As we all instantly start using the Google machine
I won't lie, I looked him up. I find it funny based on the description of his coaching style that he worked at a religion based university, lol.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2019, 08:58:30 AM »
If it's who I think it is, y'know that joker has only 3 years of coaching experience TOTAL.

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Its who you think it is, and yes, he has only 3 years total experience, and he is a bad coach...but he will tell you he is a "freak maker" :P

When my son first met him, I asked him what he thought about him...he said he seemed "unprofessional"...the first time I met him he told me how he was trying to fix what the previous coaches had them doing wrong (the previous coaches with 3 conference titles and a national championship)...I thought to myself, these were the men I trusted to take care of my boy...you are by proxy calling me an idiot...

Will he always be a bad coach? Dunno, but right now, he is...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.

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Re: Update From TAMUC
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2019, 09:04:20 AM »
You know, I didn't use his name to protect the silly :P but I guess the interweb won't let me do that...yeah, the guy coached at OBU and is an idiot...but he has a Super Bowl Ring...so that somehow qualifies him to coach in someone's book...

On a happy note, my son got his grades back yesterday, he got his GPA where it needed to be to xfer to the schools he is interested in...he is making his first official visit today...second on Friday...
None of them suck, they just haven't found what the kid is good at yet.