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Offline dfwcanes

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defense assignments creating a huge hole
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:30:15 PM »

...............................S

.......... ............B...........B...........
........B.........................................B
..C........  E......T...........T.....E..............C
...............0..0..0...X..0..0..0
............................Q
............................F
...................R..............R
We are getting killed off tackle. The HC thinks the sweeps are killing us, but its the crease created by E going up field, B going up field, C going up field boxing in.
They are faking sweep action then hitting off tacke hole then breaking it outside
We are overly agressive, my suggestion was if we want to be agressive move  the OLB 1 yrd off E and attack. Now OLB's  are at  5 yrds off E or have them stay at home.
Any suggestions to tighten this up?

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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 08:37:23 AM »
If your line you like that you have a big problem.  You have 2 tackles and 2 LB to defend six gaps that will never happen.  You can move your Ends in one gap and have your OLB 1 yard outside the tightend and attack.

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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 08:54:08 AM »
...............................S

.......... ............B...........B...........
........B.........................................B
..C........  E......T...........T.....E..............C
...............0..0..0...X..0..0..0
............................Q
............................F
...................R..............R
We are getting killed off tackle. The HC thinks the sweeps are killing us, but its the crease created by E going up field, B going up field, C going up field boxing in.
They are faking sweep action then hitting off tacke hole then breaking it outside
We are overly agressive, my suggestion was if we want to be agressive move  the OLB 1 yrd off E and attack. Now OLB's  are at  5 yrds off E or have them stay at home.
Any suggestions to tighten this up?

It's not your assignments - it's your alignment that is creating problems.  If you are going to play a 40 front, you have to have a C gap player: either the End or OLB.  You don't have anybody playing C gap above and that's why you are getting killed.   From a 4-4, I'd do one of the following and at your age group, I'd do the the second:





In the first diagram, the OLB has to recognize sweep and get upfield on contain (they should be 3x3 off the EMLOS).  Ends have reponsibility for off-tackle.  Quit using the corners for contain.  Align them 8 yards head up #1 and let them play deep halves.  Align the safety at 6 yards, and let him play the alley on full flow.  He is your free hitter/extra LB vs. the run.

In the second diagram, same coverge except the End and OLB have exchanged responsibilities vs. the run.   Depending on your personnel, you can flip alignments with the End and OLB.  The C gap player should be a good football player.  You can also put the DTs on an inside shade and let the ILB play B gap.

Hope this helps.
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 01:04:45 PM »
Actually this helps me a ton with the adjustment I made this last game.

This seals it for me on to keep it.

We have made the adjust and havent allowed a point since.

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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2010, 12:34:21 AM »
In the picture of the split 44 the olbs are responsible for the c gap who has the back out of the backfield for a pass?
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2010, 06:42:02 AM »
In the picture of the split 44 the olbs are responsible for the c gap who has the back out of the backfield for a pass?

Depends on the coverage.  If cover 1, then the ILB has first back out his side.  If zone, then nobady has him unless he release to their zone.
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2010, 08:50:14 AM »
Do you feel it is better to teach youngsters zone or man coverage and why?
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2010, 09:03:46 AM »
Do you feel it is better to teach youngsters zone or man coverage and why?

No right or wrong answer.  Depends on your philosophy and what you can teach.  See the thread below in the forum archive:

http://www.dumcoach.com/classic/viewthread.php?tid=6002#pid59410
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2010, 11:53:20 AM »
I will review the previous thread soon on coverage. What are your thoughts on a 44 stack? Just looking for info and an honest opinion.
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Re: defense assignments creating a huge hole
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2010, 04:33:14 PM »
I will review the previous thread soon on coverage. What are your thoughts on a 44 stack? Just looking for info and an honest opinion.

Nothing wrong with a 4-4 Stack.  It's really all the same.  My preference is to have my contain players aligned on air and playing out of a 2 pt stance (like a 50 defensive end).  We play some stack, really regular 4-4 (i.e., backers are not stacked).  It's really a matter of personnel and preference.
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