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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #180 on: June 11, 2014, 09:56:23 PM »
Dave

OK...Makes sense. An intro and the advanced version.

Does the 303 include the base stuff as well or is it a stand alone playbook?

Advanced only- video, playbook, game planning, reads, adjustments- the methodology of getting into the most efficient plays

No one is going to be able to do it all (303 included) year 1 and do it well
No one wants to read a 600 page book- which is what it would about be if we added in the advanced stuff

Those 14 plays have been in the playbook a LONG time- thanks to JJ Lawson and the team here in our league that runs his defense
You've got to understand- when you've coached it 182 games in leagues with 100+ teams- all those non league tourney games- weve about seen it all

I do miss playing GAM teams though and haven't seen JJs defense in several years
I guess it runs in spurts
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #181 on: June 11, 2014, 10:00:20 PM »
Do you know of Connell HS in Connell Washington?  They use our One-Back offense.
Former Redskins Clint Didier is currently the co-head football coach, along with Wayne Riner, at Connell High School in Connell, Washington. They have led the Eagles to several state championships.

Craig Beverlin also ran the offense in HS ball in Washington with great success.  He is still coaching.

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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #182 on: June 11, 2014, 10:13:43 PM »
If you are not running Buck 14 trap, Buck 23 power and 24 ISO then get the info and take a look these plays. They work ! Especially if you are like me and love to grind a team into pulp.
Makes sense, I only have the first general book.

Thanks for the info.

As for loving to grind, with Canadian rules, I had to make a bit of a switch of philosophy.

But we're still going to grind them, just a few less O-guys in the box vs a few less D-guys. Still will be physical, no question about it.

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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #183 on: June 11, 2014, 10:24:55 PM »



#1 The indirect snap was a problem in the freezing rain because my QB put the ball on the ground several times,




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Isnt it amazing that so many truly believe its the other way around and fear direct snapping due to the freezing rain.
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #184 on: June 11, 2014, 10:26:03 PM »
Do you know of Connell HS in Connell Washington?  They use our One-Back offense.
Former Redskins Clint Didier is currently the co-head football coach, along with Wayne Riner, at Connell High School in Connell, Washington. They have led the Eagles to several state championships.

Craig Beverlin also ran the offense in HS ball in Washington with great success.  He is still coaching.

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Bill

Are their more pages to this article?
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #185 on: June 11, 2014, 10:29:45 PM »
Not quite sure what you mean by a "limited number of teams"?

PS:  There have been 177 posts on this topic.  All one has to do is to look back at the defenses that the greatest defensive minds of the 20th century used to drive the UBSW into oblivion after WWII (BEGINNING in 1945).  These men were:  Bob Neyland, Bud Wilkinson, & "Bear" Bryant.  They ALL used the Wide Tackle-6 & Overshifted-6 (as originated by Neyland).  Disciples of Neyland (Tennessee) & Bryant (Bama) coached all OVER Virginia (in youth ball, as well as high school).  Do a little research on these 3 great coaches (Wilkinson & Bryant wrote BOOKS on the subject, & a book is also now out about Neyland's methods).

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I'd still go with your 425 approach vs the UBSW.  Too me that is a match made in heaven....less is more.  ;)
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #186 on: June 11, 2014, 10:33:10 PM »
Advanced only- video, playbook, game planning, reads, adjustments- the methodology of getting into the most efficient plays

No one is going to be able to do it all (303 included) year 1 and do it well
No one wants to read a 600 page book- which is what it would about be if we added in the advanced stuff

Those 14 plays have been in the playbook a LONG time- thanks to JJ Lawson and the team here in our league that runs his defense
You've got to understand- when you've coached it 182 games in leagues with 100+ teams- all those non league tourney games- weve about seen it all

I do miss playing GAM teams though and haven't seen JJs defense in several years
I guess it runs in spurts

Dave

Do you have an advanced version of your D as well...other than the Viper we have talked about that you no longer use?

If we ever get to play each other one of these decades I will insist that Mahnoz Jr runs the 29 at you. THEN you can say you have seen it all.  :P

Amazing how well that goofy idea worked.  ::)
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #187 on: June 11, 2014, 10:38:33 PM »
What is "The 29"??

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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #188 on: June 11, 2014, 10:48:40 PM »
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #189 on: June 11, 2014, 10:56:26 PM »
Oh I see, gonna make me work for it?? wth man lol

Ill check it out

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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #190 on: June 11, 2014, 11:02:16 PM »
Dave

Do you have an advanced version of your D as well...other than the Viper we have talked about that you no longer use?

If we ever get to play each other one of these decades I will insist that Mahnoz Jr runs the 29 at you. THEN you can say you have seen it all.  :P

Amazing how well that goofy idea worked.  ::)

The defensive DVD has a 170 page e-book
That came out about 4 years ago

Just like the offense- do this, then this, exactly how to teach every position, rep group, team
Reads, adjustments

Nothing piecemeal- follow the template and you have a very good youth defense that can defend everything we see in 2014 AND allows you to play MPRs in it.

That has ALL of our advanced indy and group defensive drills, implementation tricks and scheme
No chance I can fit that into a 300 page book- impossible

In non select ball I cant run Viper- we would get blown out running it and my MPRs would all have to play on offense. Cant make that work. I could if we were coaching a select or HS team. Ive done it at the select level and the defense won several USA Today National Championships for Canyon Springs. Simple, easy, requires athletes and 2 war daddy 3 techs

the 2-9 I glanced at that= wedge city
NO I guess we haven't seen it all- no one has run that or the facemelter straight line defense against us anyways

Thank goodness everyone doesn't run the same exact thing- how boring would that be
I love seeing option, spread, dead T, Wing T etc, that's fun
And to think that if Im in the bottom 10 or 20% one year and Im going to run the exact same thing as everyone else in the league- yep that's gonna work and Im going to die of boredom in the process

In youth ball- most of us don't recruit
We don't do year round weights and speed training- we aren't year round- our time is MUCH less to get them to win one on one battles
We aren't cutting anyone and we are playing everyone
Much different equation than the HS guys have
We get em for 3 nights a week for 12-13 weeks- most of us anyways
If you want to consistently win- you have to live within that real world
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #191 on: June 11, 2014, 11:02:24 PM »
I will say to this day after 4 yrs of coaching I have had my best season running Cisar's SW
1 game shy of the Championship

Why I continue to change offenses like underwear is beyond me. I cant stay interested in one even if it works for very long, don't know why. Wish I could find an AC who didn't use the "just block somebody offense" and I could just take the defense and be a happy man.
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #192 on: June 11, 2014, 11:08:41 PM »
What if....

...you lined up in the straight line just once and at the snap everyone just fanned out and came downhill hard.

I bet the O doesn't even get 3 yards they'd be so freaked out.  :P 
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #193 on: June 11, 2014, 11:10:50 PM »


the 2-9 I glanced at that= wedge city
NO I guess we haven't seen it all- no one has run that or the facemelter straight line defense against us anyways



Dave

Thankfully they didn't have a Wedge or it would have been 59-13.  ;)
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Re: Defending the UBSW Offense
« Reply #194 on: June 12, 2014, 12:53:57 AM »

What is the name of the team, & the coach?

They are the Hurricanes or Canes in Fredericksburg and the coach is Joe Brennan.

I thought he lived in Richmond.
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