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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #105 on: September 04, 2014, 01:52:58 PM »
That's another thing we need to work on. When the B gap closes, our backs automatically want to bounce. Both are fast kids so it's instinctual and before this year have likely never been told not to.

But we see mainly 4-4 so usually the B is closing from inside out and the cutback is there for a big play.

Nothing wrong with bouncing tight zone... the bigger plays just come backdoor
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #106 on: September 04, 2014, 02:13:35 PM »
Correct.

We bounce Tight but only when the read dictates. The issue is that our backs want to bounce it unnecessarily (which I'm sure is common). Biggest battle I fight w the reads.

If we cram in the B when we should have bounced / cut, I'll comment on film but they know I'm OK w that. But when it's a clear cram / cut read and we bounce just bc we want to try getting outside to run around everyone, not so OK w it.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #107 on: September 04, 2014, 02:26:58 PM »
I fire my rbs for bad reads

Practice is 10 minutes
game is 1 qtr

Works well...if anything you get a lot of kids learning the reads haha
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #108 on: September 04, 2014, 02:28:46 PM »
I fire my rbs for bad reads

Practice is 10 minutes
game is 1 qtr

Works well...if anything you get a lot of kids learning the reads haha

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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2014, 02:45:48 PM »
It primarily happens w our 2nd / 3rd TBs - fastest two kids on our team so they want to bounce everything. Common issue w speed backs - just gotta coach em up.

Our main kid is a bruiser and at this point almost always makes the right read. But his big gains are usually 15-25. The #2 kid is the burner who can turn stretch into a 65 yard TD.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2014, 02:47:03 PM »
I fire my rbs for bad reads

Practice is 10 minutes
game is 1 qtr

Works well...if anything you get a lot of kids learning the reads haha

Ha - I like it! Might have to implement...

The only misread I won't get upset about is if they cram in the B gap, which is our "when in doubt" scenario.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2014, 02:51:56 PM »
Ha - I like it! Might have to implement...

The only misread I won't get upset about is if they cram in the B gap, which is our "when in doubt" scenario.

I fired a kid on a 60 yd td run last season :)
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2014, 03:47:01 PM »
My back keeps bouncing the zone in practice. He wants to bounce outside every time. My #2 makes the right reads but runs straight up and down and jump cuts too much. First one I am cool with then just hit the hole. He will try and do it again at LB depth to avoid a guy. It is a work in progress. First game Saturday so see how it all fits together.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #113 on: September 04, 2014, 03:51:14 PM »
Do you use the pre snap read progression? Similiar to what I do?
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #114 on: September 04, 2014, 03:54:57 PM »
Do you use the pre snap read progression? Similiar to what I do?

Our read is the 1st LB play side from the center. He sits or comes into B we cram the ball behind the T or into C. No cut. He flows over the top we plant our foot and replace where he came from. So far our Double teams have done a decent job of pushing the DT into the lap of the LB so we are cramming the gap a ton then we let our RB find a seam. I got this from Joe…...
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #115 on: September 04, 2014, 04:01:34 PM »
Our read is the 1st LB play side from the center. He sits or comes into B we cram the ball behind the T or into C. No cut. He flows over the top we plant our foot and replace where he came from. So far our Double teams have done a decent job of pushing the DT into the lap of the LB so we are cramming the gap a ton then we let our RB find a seam. I got this from Joe…...

The problem with trying to do what Joe does is not being Joe  :P

Really though, I understand why he reads the LB but traditional tight zone RB read is 1st DLM playside. IMO it's tougher for young backs to see through the trees onto the 2nd level than it is to see what the first 'tree' playside does.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #116 on: September 04, 2014, 04:04:44 PM »
The problem with trying to do what Joe does is not being Joe  :P

Really though, I understand why he reads the LB but traditional tight zone RB read is 1st DLM playside. IMO it's tougher for young backs to see through the trees onto the 2nd level than it is to see what the first 'tree' playside does.

Well we run his version of zone…not tight, not stretch. Its like a mid-zone. Landmark is the butt of the OT. This is our first year running it and for me the count, covered/uncovered zone I thought would take a long time to get our kids….and myself…to learn. Our blocking scheme is the same regardless of zone, power or counter…..it has made us better blockers already. More time learning how to block than who.

Maybe down the road I can figure out the count etc….I am just not that smart with zone yet so went with what I could teach.
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2014, 04:10:11 PM »
Wait wait... he bounces when he reads a lb?

Hmm is he ok visually...thats the easiest key in the world...its 1 person
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #118 on: September 04, 2014, 04:18:03 PM »
Wait wait... he bounces when he reads a lb?

Hmm is he ok visually...thats the easiest key in the world...its 1 person

I don't think he was reading him at all. He was just hitting the first hole he saw. Well we routinely don't have DE's when running our zone when its the line/QB/RB's cause we don't have enough players. So he sees this big hole where the DE would be…..I have started putting bags on the ground but he jumped over them…. :'(
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Re: zone blocking in youth... diary of install for 10/11s
« Reply #119 on: September 04, 2014, 04:31:43 PM »
Our read is the 1st LB play side from the center. He sits or comes into B we cram the ball behind the T or into C. No cut. He flows over the top we plant our foot and replace where he came from. So far our Double teams have done a decent job of pushing the DT into the lap of the LB so we are cramming the gap a ton then we let our RB find a seam. I got this from Joe…...

Familiar w Joe's system - have discussed w him at length. Not what we do but works for him. Also understand Joe is primarily a read guy. I'd like to be too but first year w zone felt that was too much and unnecessary for us (in Fla 8A where Joe coaches, it is necessary - you can NOT count on blocking those DEs for 4 quarters).

However, I'm confused about a couple things you've said (maybe the kids are too - maybe I'm just misreading)...

1) So you read LB. He sits / attacks B - you cram behind C or T with no cut. If the initial aiming point is the T, how does he get to C with no cut? Seems like a cutback to me.

2) If 1st backer flows over top (outside), you replace him. OK - so again you're cramming, right? So IS there a bounce read the way you have this set up? If there is, it's not clear to me (based on what's been written here).

3) What dictates your cutback read?
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