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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2015, 11:14:40 AM »
Cmart

Think this way. Who is more likely to make the tackle? The ILB or the DT?

As far as I told you so's, accept that fact no matter what you do you will hear this.

Mike

Bingo!

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2015, 01:09:45 PM »
Joe

You say you landmark the tackles butt. Is this for IZ or OZ? do you run both? If you run stretch, how often do you get the edge? Not that I'm trying to get the edge, but in my league we see a lot of wide 9 and I can't help but visualizing my RB heading to the tackles butt, and getting a bounce read from the LB filling the B gap, only to run into a wide 9 who isn't reached. That's where I think I am afraid of dancing. Or do you teach cut back or up when you get a fill by the LB?
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2015, 01:24:40 PM »
Here is what I mean....

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2015, 02:25:42 PM »
Cmart

If you read my Power Point, I talk about Inside Zone, Outside Zone, & Stretch. We simply run Zone or Stretch, now because the aiming point is the Tackles butt when we talk about the RB's cut it's always the first crease. Realize we will have an H back there otherwise it has to be base blocking.

Re read the section on Zone it may clear things up, otherwise make a call.

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2015, 03:15:42 PM »
Gents:

Perhaps this tid bit will make it a bit more clear.  Using Joe's version of Ace, Deuce, and Trey calls the Back already knows where the Combo is.  The initial plan is to use that Combo block to exploit the second level (LB).  The longer that LB stands still the better the Combo works.  Hence, as the Running back, it is imperative that I watch the LB whenever possible to know which way the Combo will react.  If Inside I go Out, if Out I go In.   For a Rookie RB in Zone concepts I want someone with Some smarts and a real Burst.  Once they get comfortable with the basics of Zone, you can begin to teach finding the Cracks or Seams! 

Some kids are naturals at seeing the field, others have to be coached how to use the basics and then how to widen their field of view. Remember the Ultimate goal here is that we are not teaching them to "Hit the Hole" but to Flow then GO!   The goal of any running play regardless of blocking scheme is to get positive yards.  As such, even in Zone, sometimes you just have to square up and get those 2 yards. 

May this helps? 

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2015, 04:13:32 PM »
Definitely.

Joe

For whatever reason, when I picture your zone play from UTC it makes much sense. However, maybe my thing is that I'm trying to run it solely from the gun and the angle of attack is enough different that it actually makes a difference?  In GUN it seems that the landmark is the rear or outside leg of the G and the RB read is first DLM Playside of the center. There is a fundamental difference here because it seems your "zone" play would never read the 1-2 tech (playler IN the A gap). Basically your play is designed To go C/B gap and later you add the "Backdoor cut" which is A/BSA gap, depending on the A gap defender.  Maybe to understand I need to look at it as 3 different plays IZ, Zone, and stretch? And you don't run " inside zone"?

I don't know. I'm probably overthinking this whole thing but your zone play isn't as "downhill" as I'm picturing it. It's more of an off tackle/cut back play and stretch is sweep/cut UP play?
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2015, 04:14:55 PM »
PS.      Still haven't heard from ZACH on this.... 😖
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2015, 04:34:27 PM »
Cmart

QB @ 5 TB @ 6 outside leg of the Guard opposite the Zone

Draw a line to the Tackle's Butt

Stick a foot in the ground @ the first crease

Viola!

all downhill not get too wide!

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2015, 04:39:46 PM »
Joe

I'm visualizing QB at 5 and TB at 5.5....

TB shuffle, shuffle, QB drop PS foot  and open to 7/5 o'clock and crow hop while pointing/reading BS Threat. The subtle differences there may explain my confusion. You don't run IZ the way I'm thinking it...

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2015, 05:28:33 PM »
Cmart

Gun means no shuffle straight line GO.

Just around the corner is Frogger's, of course there is Stella's in the outside fridge & my lanai has windows for drawing plays.

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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2015, 07:06:25 PM »
Joe

Ha! Ive got some Stella's here too. Matter of fact just poured one while I sit and dry up my markers....

Cheers.
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2015, 07:08:53 PM »
I'm undefeated in the white board....
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2015, 08:21:55 PM »
my lanai has windows for drawing plays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanai_(architecture)

I've been there (Joe's house, not Hawaii), but I still didn't know what that word meant.

Actually, I spent a few hours in the Honolulu airport once, so there's that.
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2015, 09:36:50 PM »
Yeah but I have the electoral votes from 3 Hawaiian Islands
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Re: LB reading doesn't cause dancing?
« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2015, 09:41:31 PM »
Yeah but I have the electoral votes from 3 Hawaiian Islands

Before or after it became a state?
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